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Wallcrawler 11-17-2022 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16610507)
LMAO
And there you go. Case closed.

For a complete reerun with no reading comprehension maybe.

And your take on Andy is stupid, just so you know. Name a HOF coach that was available in 2012 that was better, or would've been as successful. I'll wait.

Please quote where I asked for Reid to be replaced.

Again, poor coaching decisions can be criticized without resorting to full knee jerk FIRE HIM NAOW.

It's okay little buddy. You can criticize questionable calls, bad playcalls, and call full reidtard things full reidtard things and just want those things to be limited, without firing the man. Really.

It's not slobber on Andy's cock, or fire him.


Also, Andy is now the winningest coach in KC history, iirc.

And?

4 straight title game hosts, and one Superbowl win is an understandable "wasted opportunities" situation.

You act as if teams repeatedly host the title game with regularity. They don't. This team was in position 4 years running to establish itself as a dynasty.

Hasn't happened .

But count your wins. I know it worked for us to do that in the Marty Era, because wins>championships amirite?




Just one season with fewer than 10 wins. His second one in KC? So, 8 seasons with more than 10 wins, and well ont he way to another.

7 Divisional titles?

A 57% playoff win% as the HC for KC. 72% in the regular season.

Easy, easy! You'll need Kleenex soon.

4 consecutive AFCCG appearances. Won 2, and lost two through no fault of his own. Unless it's now Andy's fault that Dee Ford lined up offsides.

Oh. So we're just gonna forget about the legendary Andy Reid getting his ass shut out in the first half of that game? Ohhhh. Ok. Gotcha. Games are easier to win if you try to win from the opening kickoff, but hey, regular season wins and division titles.


Or that CJ got called for a bogus RTP call. I know, you think it's Andy's fault that the offense shit the bed in the 2nd half of the AFCCG last season, in spite of every NFL analyst coming to the same exact conclusion, which was that Pat shit the bed.

Sure did call a lot of passes into a 3 man front dropping 8. Coaches are supposed to put their guys in the best position to win. He threw Patrick to the wolves with the Bengals dropping 8 in coverage. Not to mention stepping on his own dick at the end if the half and passing up a sure 14 point lead going into half, he rolled the dice and came away with nothing Brandon Staley style.

But sure, hang it on Patrick, because it suits your narrative that Andy's just this legend who is blameless in his huge losses.


Or that Spags shit the bed in that game because reasons that have nothing to do with reality.

I bagged on spags for the worst 7 game stretch in NFL history defensively. Well earned, well deserved.



And I literally don't have time to go back and search out all your posts shitting on players.

Because they don't ****ing exist. Outside of bagging on Jones for running his mouth in Indy, and doing NOTHING for the rest of the game winning drive, Clyde for being a bag of smashed assholes, or guys hated in general by cp like Mathieu, Sorensen, Nieman, etc.

So yeah, continue to run your mouth about how I shit on half the players without backing it up with anything you ****ing dipshit.



And I shouldn't really have to, after taking apart your arguments against Andy Reid.

You should be able to just spout bullshit claims about things I supposedly said without having to back it up? Yeah okay dipshit. Jesus **** you're unfathomably ****ing reeruned.

How's this for Andy Ried's coaching ability?

After completely tearing down the WR room and filling it with 5 players that have never spent any time in Andy's offense, two of whom came in as rookies, the Chiefs are the no. 1 scoring offense in the league and 2nd in passing yards/gm.

Again. For like the 4th time.

Yeah this all falls in line with Andy being that great coach that gets you a shot at the big game, that most franchises would kill for. I guess you missed that part or your handler skimmed over it and didn't read it to you.

Hopefully translates into another ring. We will see.


On defense the team lost the services of both Hitchens and Mathieu, the defensive play-callers for the last three years, and replaced them with Bolton and Justin Ried, a S that had never played in Spags' defense before, plus three rookies in the starting line up?

IMAGINE BASING AN ARGUMENT ON THE IDEA THAT THE LOSS OF HITCHENS AND MATHIEU WAS ANYTHING BUT ADDITION BY SUBTRACTION. IMAGINE IT.

You've lost your ****ing fingertip grip on reality and descended into an abyss of irreversible ****ing lunacy if you expect ANYONE to believe that those two players leaving was any sort of negative AT ALL.


And somehow Spags defense is top-4 in sacks, ditto QB hurries/hits/pressures or something like that. Top-10 vs. the run, I believe. Yeah, he sux as well, right?

Wait, you mean to tell me that if you add talent to a unit, the unit will perform better?

What a revelation.

Yes, without Sorensen and Nieman trotting out there, with the corpse of Anthony Hitchens and the shell of Tyrann Mathieu, thing are going very well.


And again, none of the things i wrote above are my opinion.

Those are stone cold hard facts, buddy.

I'm actually amazed you can spell fact.

Read 'em and weep.:p

Oh that was simply amazing. Except for the part where I haven't criticized Spags this year outside of some inexplicable playcalls leaving rookies in single coverage on stud superstar receivers and repeatedly watching them either get roasted or flagged. Or having Josh Allen squirming and flustered at his own 2, and then letting him off the hook on 3rd down.

Again, you can criticize bad plays, bad decisions, without jumping to firing.

You really struggle with this concept.


Can't wait for your next tragi comic attempt at a rebuttal.

srvy 11-17-2022 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16610720)
I haven't seen anything yet and I'm just a tad shocked they haven't announced anything - it's like we are more focused on breaking household appliances....

Yep

Coogs 11-17-2022 08:39 PM

I am sticking with my original take on this.

JuJu's injury is Andre Cisco's fault. Totally unnecessary hit. Not buying any other theory.

DenverChief 11-17-2022 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 16610792)
I am sticking with my original take on this.

JuJu's injury is Andre Cisco's fault. Totally unnecessary hit. Not buying any other theory.

Correct

Demonpenz 11-17-2022 08:59 PM

100 percent correct

Rasputin 11-17-2022 09:01 PM

Mahomes isn't the one who lowered his helmet and delivered a blow to a defenseless WR helmet. That could have been avoided.

kevrunner 11-17-2022 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16610664)
My question is was Cisco fined on either of those hits to the head? It seems like Wednesday they announce fines or maybe end of week.

I don’t think the NFL announces every fine anymore, I could be wrong. I found this, doesn’t look like week 10 has been added yet. The week column is on the far right of the page, I didn’t see it at first.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/fines-suspensions/

suzzer99 11-17-2022 10:06 PM

Matt Derrick (I think - it was one of the Chiefs pundits) said the fine will come out this Saturday if there is one.

chiefzilla1501 11-17-2022 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by the steam (Post 16610715)
I'm fine with the hit. Sucks it happened to a Chief but as a football fan I want to see big hits on WRs and QBs and that has become extremely rare in 2022. Allowing this makes the game way better to watch.

It doesn’t make the game better to watch. What makes the game better to watch is the best players on the field. And teams winning Super Bowl because they were the best not because they were lucky enough to get through the grind without injury. The nfl goes overboard in enforcing that. But there is a good reason these rules exist. Bountygate is a good example of why this exists. If you can’t beat them, knock ‘‘em out is a tonya Harding strategy I can’t stand behind.

Tribal Warfare 11-17-2022 10:19 PM

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RealSNR 11-17-2022 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16610593)
LMAO

Chris Simms has the Chiefs winning the SB and has declared Mahomes the NFL MVP front runner.

But sure, he's a hater i guess.

He tries to be objective as possible. He's not some hot take jockey like Cowherd or an opinion spammer like Thkyiiuuuuuuup.

Occasionally that leads to him saying things like, "I think Josh Allen is currently the best QB in the NFL," which he has said multiple times this very season and as recently as last week.

I won't say he's a hater, but he probably does have CTE.

KC_Connection 11-17-2022 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16611007)
He tries to be objective as possible. He's not some hot take jockey like Cowherd or an opinion spammer like Thkyiiuuuuuuup.

Occasionally that leads to him saying things like, "I think Josh Allen is currently the best QB in the NFL," which he has said multiple times this very season and as recently as last week.

I won't say he's a hater, but he probably does have CTE.

But how is that not a hot take? Doesn't help that it is demonstrably false.

KC_Connection 11-17-2022 10:54 PM

Saying Josh Allen was/is at any point better than Patrick Mahomes is honestly even dumber/hot takey than the people who said Kevin Durant was better than LeBron James for a few years there because he was on the Warriors.

Imagine Allen on a team with a defense as bad as the Chiefs have had for Mahomes' entire run in KC. Wouldn't end well at all.

RealSNR 11-18-2022 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16611048)
But how is that not a hot take? Doesn't help that it is demonstrably false.

Again, I think he's delivering an actual opinion of his.

It's misinformed and stupid, but it's his, not something drummed up or scripted like Skip's fake ass shit

ChiefsFanatic 11-18-2022 12:35 AM

I think the fault really lies with JuJu's mother.

I mean, if she hadn't allowed him to play football, and forced him to play basketball, or made him take piano lessons instead, this hit never happens. Perhaps she should be fined.

Or maybe it was Snoop Dogg's fault. If he hadn't coached Juju and believed in him & his chances to play in the NFL, JuJu would have gotten discouraged, and switched to basketball, or taken up the piano. Perhaps he should be fined.

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bringbackmarty 11-18-2022 01:04 AM

1. “Give yer balls a tug.”

2. “You’re made of spare parts, aren’t you, bud?”

3. “I wish you weren’t so ****in’ awkward, bud.”

4. “Suck my Mr. Cocky, ya ****ing loser.”

5. “Your life’s so ****ing pathetic, I ran a charity 15k to raise awareness for it.”

6. “**** you, Jonesy, your mom shot cum straight across the room and killed my Siamese fighting fish, threw off the pH levels in my aquarium.”

7. “I made your mom so wet, Trudeau had to deploy a 24-hour national guard unit to stack sandbags around my bed.”

bringbackmarty 11-18-2022 01:06 AM

Shit my bad I thought it was the LDT thread, still funny.

MarkDavis'Haircut 11-18-2022 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by blake5676 (Post 16609526)
10/10 times if a player on the Chiefs landed a shot like that this whole board argue to their deathbeds it was a clean solid tackle and we'd be blaming the receiver for lowering his helmet before getting hit.

In the 1970s, NFL Films would have made the hit a centerpiece highlight.

Tribal Warfare 11-18-2022 08:16 AM

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htismaqe 11-18-2022 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16610983)
It doesn’t make the game better to watch. What makes the game better to watch is the best players on the field. And teams winning Super Bowl because they were the best not because they were lucky enough to get through the grind without injury. The nfl goes overboard in enforcing that. But there is a good reason these rules exist. Bountygate is a good example of why this exists. If you can’t beat them, knock ‘‘em out is a tonya Harding strategy I can’t stand behind.

Exactly.

the steam 11-18-2022 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16610983)
It doesn’t make the game better to watch. What makes the game better to watch is the best players on the field. And teams winning Super Bowl because they were the best not because they were lucky enough to get through the grind without injury. The nfl goes overboard in enforcing that. But there is a good reason these rules exist. Bountygate is a good example of why this exists. If you can’t beat them, knock ‘‘em out is a tonya Harding strategy I can’t stand behind.

Then why not just make it touch football, the less contact the better right?

-King- 11-18-2022 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16610493)
I’m not a fan of that either. A receiver up in the air is as defenseless as it gets and the DB is making a very intentional decision to truck a receiver instead of playing the ball or at least an attempt at tackling. People may call the rules soft. No, the reason these rules are in place is because no fan wants to see backups play. It’s one thing to do it in the moment. This is a pattern for Cisco and it’s not one that should be encouraged.

Thats ****ing football right there. None of that pansy ass dick tugging smile for the camera bullshit. Men puke, men poop on the field, men deliver their new born baby on the side lines. ****ing hard core dick in the ass butterball foosball **** it chuck it game time shit.

-King- 11-18-2022 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16611369)
Exactly.

Man, hard hits are a part of football. Now there are players like Burfict who take it to an insane level. But **** that, if you can lay a hard hit, lay it. As long as you're not purposefully out there trying to injure people, hard hits are a part of the game. Unfortunately, sometimes injuries happen. Thats the risk of football. I want Thornhill doing that every chance he gets and as long as there's no helmet to helmet contact, there should never be a flag.

htismaqe 11-18-2022 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16611403)
Man, hard hits are a part of football. Now there are players like Burfict who take it to an insane level. But **** that, if you can lay a hard hit, lay it. As long as you're not purposefully out there trying to injure people, hard hits are a part of the game. Unfortunately, sometimes injuries happen. Thats the risk of football. I want Thornhill doing that every chance he gets and as long as there's no helmet to helmet contact, there should never be a flag.

It was helmet-to-helmet. I have no problem with hard hits. I do have a problem with guys just launching themselves and hurting star players.

I want to watch real football, not a bunch of backups.

-King- 11-18-2022 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16611409)
It was helmet-to-helmet. I have no problem with hard hits. I do have a problem with guys just launching themselves and hurting star players.

I want to watch real football, not a bunch of backups.

Come on man, you keep talking about the juju hit. We're talking about the MVS hit which led to me posting the Thornhill hit which led to Chiefzilla saying he didn't like that hit either which led to my comment.

Keep up man :)

chiefzilla1501 11-18-2022 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16611403)
Man, hard hits are a part of football. Now there are players like Burfict who take it to an insane level. But **** that, if you can lay a hard hit, lay it. As long as you're not purposefully out there trying to injure people, hard hits are a part of the game. Unfortunately, sometimes injuries happen. Thats the risk of football. I want Thornhill doing that every chance he gets and as long as there's no helmet to helmet contact, there should never be a flag.

I do not agree with you when it comes to defenseless receivers. You don’t have to hit stick to play tough. And often times these big hitters like abrams with the raiders make dumb mistakes because they want to make a statement hit instead of making an actual play. Many of these are easily avoidable just by using your arms to actually play the ball the way you’re supposed to. The nfl usually lets players hit. It’s just that moment when receivers are extremely vulnerable that they’re monitoring. Or at least, they do for every team but us.

Things are different now with concussion protocols. And unless your suggestion is to get rid of those protocols then you are incentivizing defensive players to tonya Harding players like we saw in bountygate. I’d rather see the best on the field. I don’t want defenses gaining a gigantic advantage knowing that they can send their worst players to knock out the enemies best players.

I’ll bitch about targeting overenforcement like the rest of them. But I also get why these rules are in place. People forget how absolutely shitty the league was a few years ago when half the QBs were backups.

htismaqe 11-18-2022 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16611666)
Come on man, you keep talking about the juju hit. We're talking about the MVS hit which led to me posting the Thornhill hit which led to Chiefzilla saying he didn't like that hit either which led to my comment.

Keep up man :)

Sorry. I don't really care about the MVS hit. I care about the one that injured a player we really need to be healthy.

Wallcrawler 11-18-2022 01:40 PM

I feel like this topic cant really be settled until jettio comes and tells us that we know not shit about tackle football as it is played in the National Football League.

ChiefsFanatic 11-19-2022 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16611409)
It was helmet-to-helmet. I have no problem with hard hits. I do have a problem with guys just launching themselves and hurting star players.



I want to watch real football, not a bunch of backups.

I was also thinking today that if a crackback block on a return or interception is illegal, then this hit should have been illegal.

Like a lineman tracking the ball on an interception who gets cracked when his attention is on the ball, JuJu had his attention on the ball.

I believe that if JuJu was tracking a DB after an interception, and Cisco made that exact hit, he would have been flagged, and they would NOT have picked it up.

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Marcellus 11-19-2022 06:03 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The NFL fined <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jaguars</a> S Andre Cisco $6,612 for unnecessary roughness — the hit that put <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> WR JuJu Smith-Schuster in concussion protocol last week. <a href="https://t.co/EdMyfnILtk">pic.twitter.com/EdMyfnILtk</a></p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1594108270012137474?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As predicted. Why didnt they fine Mahomes if it was "his fault"?

ThyKingdomCome15 11-19-2022 06:20 PM

Clearly targeting by another frustrated opponent.

crayzkirk 11-19-2022 06:32 PM

Haven't read everything so it might be a duplicate...

From what I recall about the play, Juju was open by at least five yards before the ball was thrown, Cisco closed quickly and hit Juju just as he was turning up the field. Clearly helmet to helmet and it did not appear as if Cisco was trying to make a tackle.

These athletes can move a good distance just in the time that it takes the ball to get there so placing blame seems foolish. Maybe Chris got a batch of weed that made him more critical than usual. The guy seems stoned 24/7.

Not that there's anything wrong with that... If you can make it work and get paid for your opinion like he does...


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