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Chris Meck 01-30-2023 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 16777683)
Eagles fans should be cocky if they think they are facing the KC team at the end of the game yesterday. Very strongly doubt they will be.

Yeah, if that's who lines up for us in the Superbowl, we're in big trouble.

I don't think it will be.

smithandrew051 01-30-2023 09:00 AM

We have to try and force Hurts to beat us with his arm. If they’re able to stay balanced, they’re really dangerous.

I don’t think the 14-2 Ravens comparison is a bad one at all. This Eagles team has better receivers and Hurts is a better thrower, but he isn’t as dynamic as Lamar (but who is?).

Super Bowls seem to be a lot of the same guys winning it. I have a hard time seeing Hurts win it in his first appearance against Mahomes in his third.

KC_Lee 01-30-2023 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16777685)
We're going to have to spy Hurts.

This concerns me. Hate to call out Bolton, but he got juked by Burrows on a scramble when he should have laid him out.

DrunkBassGuitar 01-30-2023 09:03 AM

Philly has a good D but we've torn up high ranked defenses all season

It'll be another close game but Chiefs will in

St. Patty's Fire 01-30-2023 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16777488)
Very concerned about their pass rush.

Tbh, im not that concerned about it. They’ve had some pretty easy matchups in the first two playoff games in that regard. Even with SF’s o line having a 4th string QB makes it easy to pin your ears back

cant pin your ears back against this team

Justtalkinfootball 01-30-2023 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16777339)
Should be:
*NFC playoff teams.... and they don't really count.

Round and round we go. Eagles opponents, and their QBs won much more than the Chiefs opponents and their QBs. End of story.

Common opponents, the eagles were undefeated. The Chiefs lost to the Colts.

mr. tegu 01-30-2023 09:08 AM

I’m not afraid of discount Lamar Jackson at all.

Justtalkinfootball 01-30-2023 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16777624)
Herbert twice
Lawrence twice
Burrow twice
Allen
Brady

Even Geno who was pretty good this year.

Your team didn’t face that type of QB competition this season

Lol. Brady. 🤣.

You guys realize the quarterback is only one position, And the teams with all those great quarterbacks you mentioned, won fewer games the Eagles opponents did.

Justtalkinfootball 01-30-2023 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 16777672)
Good, the Chiefs want you to think this will be a walk in the park, just like Cincinnati.

It won’t be a walk in the park. Mahomes is elite. Reid is a great coach. You have an all world DT and TE.

I would guess that the percentage of eagles fans who think this will be a walk in the park is likely much less than the percentage of Chief fans thinking it

Justtalkinfootball 01-30-2023 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 16777720)
I’m not afraid of discount Lamar Jackson at all.

Lol. Hurts is twice the quarterback that Jackson is. He had the highest passer rating from the pocket in the NFL

Justtalkinfootball 01-30-2023 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16777578)
KC BBQ > Philly cheese steak

I can agree with that lol.

Rams Fan 01-30-2023 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 16777720)
I’m not afraid of discount Lamar Jackson at all.

Hurts is a better passer now the Jackson is currently. Not as good of a runner. He also has a much better supporting cast at WR than Jackson does.

Gravedigger 01-30-2023 09:16 AM

This game will be decided by coaching. Everyone who has played the Eagles, not many have figured out how to beat them. Sirianni has a system, Andy has to figure it out. We can't have another Bucs Chiefs, gotta stay in the game.

St. Patty's Fire 01-30-2023 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 16777720)
I’m not afraid of discount Lamar Jackson at all.

Hurts is a better passer and not really close as a runner. That being said, his offensive support system is far superior to what Lamar has had.

smithandrew051 01-30-2023 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 16777749)
This game will be decided by coaching. Everyone who has played the Eagles, not many have figured out how to beat them. Sirianni has a system, Andy has to figure it out. We can't have another Bucs Chiefs, gotta stay in the game.

Luckily, we aren’t trotting an OL out there like we did against the Bucs.

Remmers-Allegretti-Reiter-Wisneiwski-Wylie

****ing gross.

Chief Roundup 01-30-2023 09:20 AM

The key to winning the SB is blocking Hassan Reddick.

Justtalkinfootball 01-30-2023 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16777612)
Isn't it weird how teaching football to other fan bases now falls on CP, for every opponent every playoff run?

I feel like we need consulting dollars or something.

And FFS, it wasn't THAT long ago the Eagles were in the SB... they should know how playoff football works. :doh!:

You should learn that, though quarterback play the very important, it is baked in to a team’s winning percentage. It doesn’t matter that you have a great quarterback If you lose games… And you folks are citing all these quarterbacks who’s teams lost a lot of games…you have the second easiest SOS in the league.

I do think you had the tougher schedule…in the playoffs, but come on, it’s kind of silly when you make fun of the eagles regular season schedule… your opponents had a much lower winning percentage than the Eagles opponents. If you’re going to get that arrogant, and the statistics do not support your argument, then you’re going to get push back

smithandrew051 01-30-2023 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 16777759)
Hurts is a better passer and not really close as a runner. That being said, his offensive support system is far superior to what Lamar has had.

The 2018-2019 Ravens team is getting a little underrated because of how their season ended.

They had a really good OL. Their running backs were really productive in that system. Mark Andrews was/is really good.

The WRs weren’t the best, but that system didn’t really rely on them.

I would argue that the OLs were at least about even (especially with Lane Johnson fighting an injury). Ravens had better backs. I’d also take Andrews over Goedert.

Eagles have a huge advantage at WR though.

Justtalkinfootball 01-30-2023 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16777590)
If you actually think the Eagles had the tougher schedule, you're a fool. The records clearly don't tell the story.

KC played Cincinnati 2x, LAC 2x, Buffalo, SF (w/ Jimmy G), Jax 2x, and @ Tampa.

Eagles faced Minnesota, Dallas 3x (once with Cooper Rush), Jax, Daniel Jones 3x and SF with a 4th string QB.

It's really not even close.

Yet the record of all your opponents is much worse than the Eagles opponents… Round and round we go… Statistics LOL.

btw, eagles played Dallas twice, not three times. The Eagles dominant pass rush knocked Purdy out of the game…then it knocked Johnson out of the game. In the division round the Giants were the Darling of the NFL… The Eagles kicked their keisters.

There is a reason that they are 2.5 point favourites over the Chiefs.

Molitoth 01-30-2023 09:27 AM

I think the Chiefs being decimated with Injuries is going to have an impact.
Hopefully not though.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-30-2023 09:29 AM

JuJu was literally on the field after the game celebrating.. he will be fine. Same with Hardman

staylor26 01-30-2023 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 16777781)
I think the Chiefs being decimated with Injuries is going to have an impact.
Hopefully not though.

I swear people are really underestimating the value of an extra week. Most of those guys will back, and more importantly, Mahomes and Kelce will be healthier.

Justtalkinfootball 01-30-2023 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16777791)
I swear people are really underestimating the value of an extra week. Most of those guys will back, and more importantly, Mahomes and Kelce will be healthier.

Yeah I agree…

RaidersOftheCellar 01-30-2023 09:33 AM

Anyone acting like the Eagles have a huge advantage is either a homer or a fool or both.

KC has the same record in the far better conference. KC has the better QB and coach (easily the two most important boxes to check).

0.445 points/play vs 0.432. 4.7 yards allowed per play vs 5.1. 6.3 yards per play for KC and 5.8 for the Eagles.

Side note: KC is 5-0 vs the NFC and has outscored them 179-95. They've scored 40+ in three of the five. Averaged 36 ppg and allowed 19 ppg.

O.city 01-30-2023 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16777791)
I swear people are really underestimating the value of an extra week. Most of those guys will back, and more importantly, Mahomes and Kelce will be healthier.

They'll be back, but at what level?

Toney is the one I'm most interested in.

FringeNC 01-30-2023 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16777797)
Anyone acting like the Eagles have a huge advantage is either a homer or a fool or both.

KC has the same record in the far better conference. KC has the better QB and coach (easily the two most important boxes to check).

0.445 points/play vs 0.432. 4.7 yards allowed per play vs 5.1. 6.3 yards per play for KC and 5.8 for the Eagles.

Side note: KC is 5-0 vs the NFC and has outscored them 179-95. They've scored 40+ in three of the five. Averaged 36 ppg and allowed 19 ppg.

Right, if the offense is close to 100%. It's really about all healing now, because a Chiefs team near 100% is the better team.

smithandrew051 01-30-2023 09:38 AM

I have a question for the Eagles fan.

What do Eagles fans think of their pass protection/Hurts pocket presence?

Hurts was sacked 38 times in 15 games with another 6 sacks on Minshew. Hurts was sacked on 7.6% of his drop backs.

For reference, Joe Burrow was sacked 41 times in 16 games on 6.3% of his dropbacks.

Is this cause for concern with a fairly inexperienced QB in the Super Bowl? Or an example of the stats not telling the entire story?

RaidersOftheCellar 01-30-2023 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Justtalkinfootball (Post 16777776)
Yet the record of all your opponents is much worse than the Eagles opponents… Round and round we go… Statistics LOL.

btw, eagles played Dallas twice, not three times. The Eagles dominant pass rush knocked Purdy out of the game…then it knocked Johnson out of the game. In the division round the Giants were the Darling of the NFL… The Eagles kicked their keisters.

There is a reason that they are 2.5 point favourites over the Chiefs.

If you look at the top opponents on each schedule, there's no comparison. Nobody cares if the bottom feeders on your schedule won a few more games than the bottom feeders on KC's. Plus, the AFC was clearly superior to the NFC. Teams like Seattle and NYG don't sniff the playoffs in the AFC.

The Vegas line might have a lot to do with the current health of each team. Which could change a lot over the next two weeks. Also, if you think that Vegas sets lines based only on team strength, you don't know much about Vegas.

St. Patty's Fire 01-30-2023 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16777775)
The 2018-2019 Ravens team is getting a little underrated because of how their season ended.

They had a really good OL. Their running backs were really productive in that system. Mark Andrews was/is really good.

The WRs weren’t the best, but that system didn’t really rely on them.

I would argue that the OLs were at least about even (especially with Lane Johnson fighting an injury). Ravens had better backs. I’d also take Andrews over Goedert.

Eagles have a huge advantage at WR though.

that team was really good and they played their style/system well, but the philosophy of it and their lack of playmakers on offense definitely capped their ceiling on offense. The eagles dont have the same issue. They have the elite OL/TE/RB play ON TOP of having two elite receivers. This team is a different beast.

Bearcat 01-30-2023 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Justtalkinfootball (Post 16777764)
You should learn that, though quarterback play the very important, it is baked in to a team’s winning percentage. It doesn’t matter that you have a great quarterback If you lose games… And you folks are citing all these quarterbacks who’s teams lost a lot of games…you have the second easiest SOS in the league.

I do think you had the tougher schedule…in the playoffs, but come on, it’s kind of silly when you make fun of the eagles regular season schedule… your opponents had a much lower winning percentage than the Eagles opponents. If you’re going to get that arrogant, and the statistics do not support your argument, then you’re going to get push back

Regular season results matter very little, if at all.

All we have to determine if a team is a legit playoff or SB contender is the very few games they play against other true playoff/SB contenders (and not win/loss, just if they can compete againat the best), plus their playoff experiences of the recent past. And this year that's been the Chiefs, Bills, Bengals, and probably the 49ers with a 1st string QB.

If you don't know who the Chiefs are as a playoff team by now, then you must be brand new to football, but could also look at the close games against the Bills and Bengals earlier this year, or the 49ers when they had a 1st string QB, or last night when a one-legged Mahomes had guys dropping like flies on both sides of the ball and still beat one of the SB favorites.

Where is the evidence that the Eagles can compete with or beat a true SB contender? Beating, uh, non-SB contenders and the 49ers with a 4th string QB?

OK.:shrug:

Doesn't mean they suck, doesn't mean they aren't actually a true SB contender... it just means they're a huge unknown.

And that's okay, but if you want to hang your hat on beating Daniel Jones and the Chiefs losing to the Colts, that's cool.... LMAO

dirk digler 01-30-2023 09:47 AM

Bengals WR core are much better than the Eagles so the key is Spags come up with a game plan to stop the run and put a hurt on Hurts

smithandrew051 01-30-2023 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 16777838)
that team was really good and they played their style/system well, but the philosophy of it and their lack of playmakers on offense definitely capped their ceiling on offense. The eagles dont have the same issue. They have the elite OL/TE/RB play ON TOP of having two elite receivers. This team is a different beast.

That Ravens team had elite play on the OL, at RB, and TE.

The only major advantage that the Eagles have over that team on offense is WR.

The Eagles have allowed 16 more sacks and ran for an entire yard per carry less than the Ravens did that year.

Eleazar 01-30-2023 09:49 AM

Eagles are a great team. You might say they play in the NFC and discount them for that, but they can only beat the teams on their schedule. They have a good secondary and a good offense, good fronts on both sides.

Which QB is going to play the more efficient game? Will the Chiefs offense be undermanned again? Will the offense play 60 minutes? Are we going to keep Brown or Hurts’ feet from beating us?

I tend to think the Bengals are better, but Eagles are one of the top 3 teams. Should be a good game.

The Franchise 01-30-2023 09:52 AM

Everyone downplaying the Eagles is making a mistake. Their offense is good and so is their defense.

St. Patty's Fire 01-30-2023 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16777851)
That Ravens team had elite play on the OL, at RB, and TE.

The only major advantage that the Eagles have over that team on offense is WR.

The Eagles have allowed 16 more sacks and ran for an entire yard per carry less than the Ravens did that year.

the ravens had a more dominant run game but thats exactly why the eagles matchup better against us than that team would’ve, and why that team lost to a mids team like Tennessee. the eagles are much more capable of spreading it out and winning games with their passing attack. they’re more balanced than that ravens team. and i personally like hurts a little bit more as a QB than lamar.

St. Patty's Fire 01-30-2023 09:53 AM

i’ll say this, if our defense holds the eagles to 20 points like they’ve done to the Bengals and Jags, we’ll win this game.

smithandrew051 01-30-2023 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 16777872)
the ravens had a more dominant run game but thats exactly why the eagles matchup better against us than that team would’ve, and why that team lost to a mids team like Tennessee. the eagles are much more capable of spreading it out and winning games with their passing attack. they’re more balanced than that ravens team. and i personally like hurts a little bit more as a QB than lamar.

I don’t disagree with any of that. The Ravens lack of weapons on the outside and Lamar’s inability to actually throw it to the outside was always going to be their undoing.

I just do not concede that the Eagles have the better OL, TE, and RB. I think that Ravens team was better at all 3. Hell, Mark Andrews has had 3 seasons better than Goedert’s best season.

I do concede that I would take the better passing QB and WRs in the postseason all day. The most sizable gap between the two teams on offense is their WRs and it isn’t particularly close.

Bearcat 01-30-2023 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16777855)
Eagles are a great team. You might say they play in the NFC and discount them for that, but they can only beat the teams on their schedule. They have a good secondary and a good offense, good fronts on both sides.

Which QB is going to play the more efficient game? Will the Chiefs offense be undermanned again? Will the offense play 60 minutes? Are we going to keep Brown or Hurts’ feet from beating us?

I tend to think the Bengals are better, but Eagles are one of the top 3 teams. Should be a good game.

I kind of hate that narrative because the actual issue is we can only evaluate against teams on their schedule.

It's obviously not their fault they haven't played anyone this year, but especially after a year of "Bills have the best roster ever" and beating the shit out of the "monsters at every position" 49ers... I'm just not going to lose sleep over paper champions.

tredadda 01-30-2023 10:03 AM

I think a healthy Mahomes and Co. can score on that secondary, if the line holds up. The Eagles get a ton of pressure with just their DLine and if they are able to do that it could be a long, long game.

On the other side, they need to contain that run game and force Hurts to beat them with his arm. If they can do that I like their chances.

dirk digler 01-30-2023 10:04 AM

We beat them 42-30 in Philly last season with Mahomes throwing 5 TD's. Looking at the rosters outside of AJ Brown the offense starters are pretty much the same. We held them to 103 yds rushing while we rushed for 200 yds.

Quite a few new players on their defense we will just need Wylie to handle Reddick and I think we can move the ball.

staylor26 01-30-2023 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16777871)
Everyone downplaying the Eagles is making a mistake. Their offense is good and so is their defense.

I don't think anybody disagrees with this at all.

But there's something to be said about not dealing with adversity all season. We already know the Eagles are very dangerous when they get a big lead, can pin their ears back on D, and run the ball.

This game is going to be close, but that's exactly why I bring up stuff like their schedule.

It's going to be a dog fight, and we've been in more dog fights.

The Franchise 01-30-2023 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16777913)
We beat them 42-30 in Philly last season with Mahomes throwing 5 TD's. Looking at the rosters outside of AJ Brown the offense starters are pretty much the same. We held them to 103 yds rushing while we rushed for 200 yds.

Quite a few new players on their defense we will just need Wylie to handle Reddick and I think we can move the ball.

Yeahhhhhhhhh about that.

staylor26 01-30-2023 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16777913)
We beat them 42-30 in Philly last season with Mahomes throwing 5 TD's. Looking at the rosters outside of AJ Brown the offense starters are pretty much the same. We held them to 103 yds rushing while we rushed for 200 yds.

Quite a few new players on their defense we will just need Wylie to handle Reddick and I think we can move the ball.

We aren't showing up with the same defense either.

The Franchise 01-30-2023 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16777915)
I don't think anybody disagrees with this at all.

But there's something to be said about not dealing with adversity all season. We already know the Eagles are very dangerous when they get a big lead, can pin their ears back on D, and run the ball.

This game is going to be close, but that's exactly why I bring up stuff like their schedule.

It's going to be a dog fight, and we've been in more dog fights.

Matchup wise, I wanted the 49ers. Actually watching the game though? The Eagles/Chiefs are a damn good matchup. And while I think we have a damn good shot at winning...if we're going to lose....I'm fine with the Eagles winning.

tredadda 01-30-2023 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16777901)
I kind of hate that narrative because the actual issue is we can only evaluate against teams on their schedule.

It's obviously not their fault they haven't played anyone this year, but especially after a year of "Bills have the best roster ever" and beating the shit out of the "monsters at every position" 49ers... I'm just not going to lose sleep over paper champions.

Fun fact. The NFCE was the only division to have no team finish under .500. Of the seven playoff teams in the NFC, three were from the NFCE. That's almost half of the teams in the NFC playoffs. Against that division they finished 4-2 (one loss with Hurts and the other with Minshew). They are a legitimately good team and to discredit it based off their playoff opponents is silly.

That is a team that is beatable, but have very few weaknesses. Can KC beat them? For sure, but some of that will be dependent on how healthy they are.

straycash 01-30-2023 10:08 AM

There's gonna be a funeral for a bird

HC_Chief 01-30-2023 10:09 AM

Eagles have been super solid all season. Great OL & DL, their triple-option RPO is effective w/ Hurts, they can run the ball, their receivers can find gaps in zones & convert, and they can get to the QB. Really good coaching as well. Just a solid team all around. We will need to bring our A game (duh).

dirk digler 01-30-2023 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16777871)
Everyone downplaying the Eagles is making a mistake. Their offense is good and so is their defense.

agreed. One thing in our favor is Hurts is hurting so maybe less runs by him favors us

Bearcat 01-30-2023 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by straycash (Post 16777924)
There's gonna be a funeral for a bird

LMAO

MIAdragon 01-30-2023 10:17 AM

If healthy this would be a slaughter

FringeNC 01-30-2023 10:19 AM

If the Chiefs can get close to healthy, they will be battle-hardened from two tough playoff games. Even Jax is a much better team than either team the Eagles ended up beating (sorry Eagles fans, don't want to hear about the Niners), let alone Cinci. Philly really hasn't had to play under pressure at all in the playoffs, and most of that is due not to their superb play but to the teams they have faced.

In58men 01-30-2023 10:23 AM

Both the #Chiefs and #Eagles head to the Super Bowl having scored EXACTLY 546 points across 19 games.

Bearcat 01-30-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16777921)
Fun fact. The NFCE was the only division to have no team finish under .500. Of the seven playoff teams in the NFC, three were from the NFCE. That's almost half of the teams in the NFC playoffs. Against that division they finished 4-2 (one loss with Hurts and the other with Minshew). They are a legitimately good team and to discredit it based off their playoff opponents is silly.

That is a team that is beatable, but have very few weaknesses. Can KC beat them? For sure, but some of that will be dependent on how healthy they are.

I mean, it can't be discrediting when there's nothing to credit them for based on the criteria of playing SB caliber competition.

People can give them all the credit in the world for beating teams that never had a chance of winning a CG or SB.... it just doesn't mean anything when evaluate them in this game.... and like I said, I'm not saying that makes them a bad team.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they are actually a great team, but there's nothing this season or in recent history that I'd point to and say, oh yeah, that defense has handled a QB in the same ballpark as Mahomes, or oh yeah, that offense can score at will on anyone and keep up with Mahomes.

ptlyon 01-30-2023 10:28 AM

We started the year in Phoenix and are ending it there. Pretty cool.

chinaski 01-30-2023 10:42 AM

Super Bowl 57

5 + 7 = 12

15 - 12 = 3

We won the AFC Championship Game by 3 Points.

It's a sign. :)

MIAdragon 01-30-2023 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16777801)
They'll be back, but at what level?

Toney is the one I'm most interested in.

He’s made of glass it appears.

JPH83 01-30-2023 10:48 AM

The Eagles roster is pretty ridiculous. Elite talent everywhere and absolutely loaded with depth. Very balanced, can basically do it all, can run, pass, cover, get to the QB. I'd hate for us to turn up banged up going in to another SB and I'd be amazed if we are and we're favourites...but damn, anything at all is possible with Mahomes. Anything.

mr. tegu 01-30-2023 10:54 AM

Hurts is having a very nice season. Jackson had two better seasons before things started unraveling for him. I saw nothing from Hurts yesterday that suggested he was a dangerous passer. Perhaps his injury is contributing but is nothing special.

And we have played plenty of receiving groups at their level or better plenty of times and done fine. They haven’t played anything like us.

DrRyan 01-30-2023 10:55 AM

Pretty simple for me. Can the Chiefs OL hold up vs the Philly pass rush. Wylie vs Reddick is a nightmare matchup. Andy surely schemes help for him most of the game.

mr. tegu 01-30-2023 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16777921)
Fun fact. The NFCE was the only division to have no team finish under .500. Of the seven playoff teams in the NFC, three were from the NFCE. That's almost half of the teams in the NFC playoffs. Against that division they finished 4-2 (one loss with Hurts and the other with Minshew). They are a legitimately good team and to discredit it based off their playoff opponents is silly.

That is a team that is beatable, but have very few weaknesses. Can KC beat them? For sure, but some of that will be dependent on how healthy they are.


The fact that no team finished under .500 is not a compliment to those teams, it’s an indictment on their schedule in that division given it’s obvious the Giants, Cowboys, and Commanders are not close to real contenders.

staylor26 01-30-2023 10:59 AM

Last week, I said the most overlooked aspect of the Bengals/Chiefs matchup was the Bengals OL.

This week, it's the fact that the Chiefs should be able to run with success, because when they do, the offense is virtually unstoppable.

Youngbuck17 01-30-2023 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16776578)
If Mahomes is 90% we win.

The defense has learned to play championship football and stop the run.

The Eagles have a great rushing attack, but we just stopped a FAR better QB and passing game.

Not sure that Burrow is FAR better than Hurts. In fact, I would argue your assumption must be based on limited time watching Hurts. Though to be fair, his sprained shoulder is clearly still bothering him.

Some stats from this year:

Passing Yards:
Burrow: 4,475 (in 606 pass attempts)
Hurts: 3,701 (in 460 pass attempts) (remember Hurts missed a few games)

Completion %:
Burrow: 68.3%
Hurts: 66.5%

Passing TD/INT:
Burrow: 35/12
Hurts: 22/6

QB Rate:
Burrow: 100.8
Hurts: 101.6

Rushing yards and TDs:
Burrow: 257 yards and 5 TDs
Hurts: 760 yards and 13 TDs

20+ yard plays:
Burrow: 53
Hurts: 52

40+ yard plays:
Burrow: 10
Hurts: 11

staylor26 01-30-2023 11:19 AM

LMAO

Reminds me of when people would use stats to argue that Lamar was as good or better than Mahomes.

No, Hurts isnt really close to Burrow. Sorry.

Mecca 01-30-2023 11:20 AM

This Eagles team played a charmin schedule all year even in the playoffs...they have a young coaching staff without this kind of experience also.

boilertiger 01-30-2023 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16778062)
The Eagles roster is pretty ridiculous. Elite talent everywhere and absolutely loaded with depth. Very balanced, can basically do it all, can run, pass, cover, get to the QB. I'd hate for us to turn up banged up going in to another SB and I'd be amazed if we are and we're favourites...but damn, anything at all is possible with Mahomes. Anything.


We have to slow down their ability to run the ball. Their entire offense is based on running the ball.

Hurts shoulder doesn't seem 100%. If they have to throw to win, that's what we want to happen.

Stopping them from being able to run is almost impossible. We are going to need Danny Shelton unleashed this game.

We also need Watson and Juju back. If we don't get them back, this is going to be a crazy crazy gameplan from Reid.

htismaqe 01-30-2023 11:26 AM

The ONLY thing I'm worried about right now is all the injuries last night.

The Eagles are great team, they have a good offense and an excellent defensive line. I'm just not worried about it until we get closer to the game and see how healthy the Chiefs are.

The Franchise 01-30-2023 11:28 AM

I'm not looking forward to having to see Suh take shots at Mahomes in another SB again. That's for sure.

Mecca 01-30-2023 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16778201)
The ONLY thing I'm worried about right now is all the injuries last night.

The Eagles are great team, they have a good offense and an excellent defensive line. I'm just not worried about it until we get closer to the game and see how healthy the Chiefs are.

I do think all of their numbers etc are inflated because they played nobody all year. Dallas lit them the **** up for 40 points...

carcosa 01-30-2023 11:30 AM

The 2022-23 Philadelphia Eagles are literally the worst team of all time!!!!

smithandrew051 01-30-2023 11:31 AM

I’m curious about the Chiefs pass rush vs the Eagles OL.

The Eagles allowed the 9th highest sack rate in the league. Higher than Bengals. They also allowed the 11th most sacks in the league.

New World Order 01-30-2023 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16778215)
The 2022-23 Philadelphia Eagles are literally the worst team of all time!!!!

The only thing worse than the Eagles is JONATHAN TAYLOR!!!!

smithandrew051 01-30-2023 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16778215)
The 2022-23 Philadelphia Eagles are literally the worst team of all time!!!!

How did an 0-17 team that gets beat 69-0 make the Super Bowl???? Shouldn’t have even made the playoffs imo.

boilertiger 01-30-2023 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16778221)
I’m curious about the Chiefs pass rush vs the Eagles OL.

The Eagles allowed the 9th highest sack rate in the league. Higher than Bengals. They also allowed the 11th most sacks in the league.

It's a good oline. Probably best in run blocking. My guess is that sack rate has a lot more to do with Hurts holding on to the ball.

If we force them into obvious passing situations, we have a good shot.

Stopping (or slowing) the run is the entire game. If they are constantly in 3rd in 4 or less then we are going to be in trouble.

htismaqe 01-30-2023 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16778221)
I’m curious about the Chiefs pass rush vs the Eagles OL.

The Eagles allowed the 9th highest sack rate in the league. Higher than Bengals. They also allowed the 11th most sacks in the league.

Gotta contain Hurts and shut down the running game. Score early and make them play from behind.

O.city 01-30-2023 12:04 PM

Dickerson their LG got hurt yesterday. That will be interesting to watch and see what happens.

Mecca 01-30-2023 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16778374)
Gotta contain Hurts and shut down the running game. Score early and make them play from behind.

They are not good playing from behind.

They're actually really similar to playing the Ravens.

smithandrew051 01-30-2023 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by boilertiger (Post 16778300)
It's a good oline. Probably best in run blocking. My guess is that sack rate has a lot more to do with Hurts holding on to the ball.

If we force them into obvious passing situations, we have a good shot.

Stopping (or slowing) the run is the entire game. If they are constantly in 3rd in 4 or less then we are going to be in trouble.

Containing mobile QBs on the third and short is damn near impossible.

Iowanian 01-30-2023 12:38 PM

How Much are Eagles fans going to HATE Andy Reid.....When he costs them ANOTHER championship.....but this time by beating them to death with his Patrick Mahomes.

Mile High Mania 01-30-2023 12:53 PM

Congratulations on the SB trip!

Youngbuck17 01-30-2023 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16777814)
I have a question for the Eagles fan.

What do Eagles fans think of their pass protection/Hurts pocket presence?

Hurts was sacked 38 times in 15 games with another 6 sacks on Minshew. Hurts was sacked on 7.6% of his drop backs.

For reference, Joe Burrow was sacked 41 times in 16 games on 6.3% of his dropbacks.

Is this cause for concern with a fairly inexperienced QB in the Super Bowl? Or an example of the stats not telling the entire story?

Great question. In my view, the higher sack rate is primarily due to Hurts always thinking he can extend the play...because like Mahomes, often he can. However, that backfires as well, and sometimes he just needs to be ok with throwing it away.


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