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crispystl 02-08-2023 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16791546)
Just who is this ass-clown, Foeller?

Wow his wife is actually pretty cute. Hard to believe!

Hammock Parties 02-22-2023 10:49 PM

badass

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The Franchise 02-22-2023 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by crispystl (Post 16793868)
Wow his wife is actually pretty cute. Hard to believe!

That chick is a 6 at best. Looks like your typical Christian stay at home mom.

UChieffyBugger 02-23-2023 06:26 AM

Love Brett but I just want a season where we don't have to worry about our defense so much. Giving Pat a top ten defense, better RT and a number one WR should be the priority this offseason and he fully deserves it. Try to make things easier for him fgs.

Skyy God 02-23-2023 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16823788)
Love Brett but I just want a season where we don't have to worry about our defense so much. Giving Pat a top ten defense, better RT and a number one WR should be the priority this offseason and he fully deserves it. Try to make things easier for him fgs.

Wut?

Defense played well down the stretch. Offense was first in efficiency by a mile while incorporating a new WR room.

UChieffyBugger 02-23-2023 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 16823789)
Wut?

Defense played well down the stretch. Offense was first in efficiency by a mile while incorporating a new WR room.

I said Pat deserves a defense that is highly rated and not one that makes us hold our breath and wondering if it can hold up. You might be happy with an inconsistent defense but I'm not.

Skyy God 02-23-2023 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16823792)
I said Pat deserves a defense that is highly rated and not one that makes us hold our breath and wondering if it can hold up. You might be happy with an inconsistent defense but I'm not.

It’s a salary cap league and Pat makes up 17% of ours.

We can’t assemble a team like the Eagles.

Also, Bart could give negative 2 shits whether the team makes you nervous. Take a Midol and lie down on your fainting couch.

Bearcat 02-23-2023 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16823792)
I said Pat deserves a defense that is highly rated and not one that makes us hold our breath and wondering if it can hold up. You might be happy with an inconsistent defense but I'm not.

They gave up over 24 points 5 times this year... the 49ers "great" defense did the same 4 times, and the Bills "great" defense did it 5 times.

Which team is the model of consistency and by what metric?

Sassy Squatch 02-23-2023 06:55 AM

What even is our weakest group right now? DL? And even that's mostly due to uncertainty.

UChieffyBugger 02-23-2023 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 16823793)
It’s a salary cap league and Pat makes up 17% of ours.

We can’t assemble a team like the Eagles.

Also, Bart could give negative 2 shits whether the team makes you nervous. Take a Midol and lie down on your fainting couch.

Annnd we have more cap space now so what's your fecking point? If you DON'T want a better defense just say it and put your dunce hat on with pride buddy..no need to beat around the bush.

P.s. and who the feck said we need a team like the Eagles? Try reading posts PROPERLY before trying to be a smartass.

UChieffyBugger 02-23-2023 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16823794)
They gave up over 24 points 5 times this year... the 49ers "great" defense did the same 4 times, and the Bills "great" defense did it 5 times.

Which team is the model of consistency and by what metric?

Both games against Denver who were a historically bad offense we gave up points. The game against the Texans we gave up points. The Bengals regular season our guys couldn't get off the field and the list goes on and on. Do you not want a better defense next season? Smh :rolleyes:

Pasta Little Brioni 02-23-2023 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16823792)
I said Pat deserves a defense that is highly rated and not one that makes us hold our breath and wondering if it can hold up. You might be happy with an inconsistent defense but I'm not.

Like the 49er Eagle and Bucs defense Pat eviscerated?

Moron...

htismaqe 02-23-2023 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16823820)
Both games against Denver who were a historically bad offense we gave up points. The game against the Texans we gave up points. The Bengals regular season our guys couldn't get off the field and the list goes on and on. Do you not want a better defense next season? Smh :rolleyes:

Wanting a better defense and wanting a top 10 defense (which is exactly what you said originally) are two different things.

Try to read and appreciate the subtlety instead of running headfirst into a brick wall.

Bearcat 02-23-2023 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16823820)
Both games against Denver who were a historically bad offense we gave up points. The game against the Texans we gave up points. The Bengals regular season our guys couldn't get off the field and the list goes on and on. Do you not want a better defense next season? Smh :rolleyes:

You didn't answer the question, all you did was point out a few of the 5 games I already mentioned.

Yeah, they gave up over 24 points 5 times with a bunch of rookies starting... which team would you model defense off of in a perfect world, that exhibits the consistency you want?

UChieffyBugger 02-23-2023 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16823821)
Like the 49er Eagle and Bucs defense Pat eviscerated?

Moron...

Lol at this absolute dickhead acting like Pat having those defenses wouldn't make his odds of winning more superbowls even higher!! Smh utterly stupid :LOL: .

UChieffyBugger 02-23-2023 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16823822)
Wanting a better defense and wanting a top 10 defense (which is exactly what you said originally) are two different things.

Try to read and appreciate the subtlety instead of running headfirst into a brick wall.

Why not aim for a top ten defense? Brady had one for several years, Rodgers had one when he won the superbowl, Josh Allen has one every year and Burrow has one too so why shouldn't Pat?

Lol imagine there Chiefs fans who are HAPPY having average to below average defenses every year!!..smh LMAO

htismaqe 02-23-2023 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16823833)
Why not aim for a top ten defense? Brady had one for several years, Rodgers had one when he won the superbowl, Josh Allen has one every year and Burrow has one too so why shouldn't Pat?

Lol imagine there Chiefs fans who are HAPPY having average to below average defenses every year!!..smh LMAO

Literally nobody said we should not AIM for a top ten defense. Aiming for one and actually getting one are two different things.

Literally nobody said they are HAPPY having an average to below average defense.

Do you even read before you post?

Bearcat 02-23-2023 08:12 AM

He's too reeruned for this thread.

JohnnyHammersticks 02-23-2023 08:17 AM

It's not so much his takes - he has some decent ones mixed in every once in a blue moon - it's the melting down like a 12 yr old anytime someone disagrees with him.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-23-2023 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16823830)
Lol at this absolute dickhead acting like Pat having those defenses wouldn't make his odds of winning more superbowls even higher!! Smh utterly stupid :LOL: .

Yet against legit offenses those defenses folded like a cheap tent....like Bearcat said, this Chiefs defense was pretty damn consistent at limiting teams. Even WITH playing more rookies than anyone else

Bearcat 02-23-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16823849)
It's not so much his takes - he has some decent ones mixed in every once in a blue moon - it's the melting down like a 12 yr old anytime someone disagrees with him.

Can't say I've ever seen one, but mostly ignore him for that very reason.. I assume it's trolling, because I like to pretend people really aren't that ****ing stupid.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-23-2023 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16823863)
Can't say I've ever seen one, but mostly ignore him for that very reason.. I assume it's trolling, because I like to pretend people really aren't that ****ing stupid.

Imagine going this reerunned after WINNING a Superbowl starting that many rookies on defense. It's insane.

O.city 02-23-2023 08:30 AM

The Chiefs are an offensive team. Yes, you want a good defense, but "good" is relative here.

You aren't gonna build a lock down 2000 Ravens type defense with the finances being what they are. A good defense here gets a turnover a game and forces a couple punts and a fg or two instead of a TD.

Keep teams under 24-28 points and you're fine.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-23-2023 08:36 AM

Teams also play us hyper aggressively on offense and play catch up alot which skews things. They are gambling more on 4th downs, looking for 7 not 3...etc.

htismaqe 02-23-2023 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16823849)
It's not so much his takes - he has some decent ones mixed in every once in a blue moon - it's the melting down like a 12 yr old anytime someone disagrees with him.

It's not just that.

The dude ALWAYS tries to steer every discussion about any player or coach into an opportunity to call everybody on CP a racist.

He's nothing if not consistent.

O.city 02-23-2023 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16823887)
Teams also play us hyper aggressively on offense and play catch up alot which skews things. They are gambling more on 4th downs, looking for 7 not 3...etc.

This.

Honestly, with Mahomes and Andy, the Chiefs should take a page out of that book.

Bearcat 02-23-2023 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16823868)
Imagine going this reerunned after WINNING a Superbowl starting that many rookies on defense. It's insane.

I don't get how people can watch the Chiefs' offense routinely have their way against the "top defenses" of the league while also expecting the defense to consistently play really well against other top offenses.

Chris Meck 02-23-2023 09:07 AM

I think this defense is one plus DE and some DT depth away from being top 10 in '23. I really do.

tredadda 02-23-2023 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16823788)
Love Brett but I just want a season where we don't have to worry about our defense so much. Giving Pat a top ten defense, better RT and a number one WR should be the priority this offseason and he fully deserves it. Try to make things easier for him fgs.

It sounds ideal, but not sure how practical it is to get a Top 10 defense, a true #1 WR and a better RT. Not saying he can't address these positions, but there is only a finite amount of available cap space and Mahomes takes up a sizable chunk of it. KC still needs to address the LT, whether that's signing Brown Jr or moving on. At some point they will have to address Sneed who is looking at a huge pay raise, Bolton, possibly Gay, Creed, Trey, Jones, etc... Plus Kelce is not getting younger so if Gray is not the answer then they might need to address that as well.

Veach drafts well, so that helps. At this point I think having a Top 15-20 defense while keeping Mahomes upright with solid weapons is probably going to be the most ideal strategy regarding resources. Perhaps they can bring in some aging vets who want to chase a ring, failed first rounders that need a second chance, and solid draft picks on defense and occasionally catch lightning in a bottle and have a Top 10 defense, but those will most likely be rare.

tredadda 02-23-2023 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16823833)
Why not aim for a top ten defense? Brady had one for several years, Rodgers had one when he won the superbowl, Josh Allen has one every year and Burrow has one too so why shouldn't Pat?

Lol imagine there Chiefs fans who are HAPPY having average to below average defenses every year!!..smh LMAO

Brady had one because his head coach is one of the most brilliant defensive minds of all time. Belechick could get more from less on defense.

tredadda 02-23-2023 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16823887)
Teams also play us hyper aggressively on offense and play catch up alot which skews things. They are gambling more on 4th downs, looking for 7 not 3...etc.

^ Truth. Our offense impacts our defense's numbers. Teams know KC will score and a lot so they have to do things they normally don't. Since Patrick started it is well known that kicking FGs is a way to lose. Teams have to score TDs.

crispystl 02-23-2023 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16823929)
This.

Honestly, with Mahomes and Andy, the Chiefs should take a page out of that book.

If the Chiefs went all in on that strategy they'd be damn near impossible to beat.
Mahomes would pick up a ton of those 4th and <7

htismaqe 02-23-2023 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by crispystl (Post 16823972)
If the Chiefs went all in on that strategy they'd be damn near impossible to beat.
Mahomes would pick up a ton of those 4th and <7

I'd be much more inclined to say Mahomes would pick up a ton of those 4th and >7.

We're terrible in short yardage situations, especially on 3rd and 4th down.

Just watch how the Eagles or Chargers do it when they're being aggressive. They run QB sneaks.

One, we don't even run QB sneaks. And second, when we do run in short yardage, we get stoned pretty much every time. It's kind of baffling actually, considering the strengths of our linemen.

tredadda 02-23-2023 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16823977)
I'd be much more inclined to say Mahomes would pick up a ton of those 4th and >7.

We're terrible in short yardage situations, especially on 3rd and 4th down.

Just watch how the Eagles or Chargers do it when they're being aggressive. They run QB sneaks.

One, we don't even run QB sneaks. And second, when we do run in short yardage, we get stoned pretty much every time. It's kind of baffling actually, considering the strengths of our linemen.

I think the biggest reason why this team constantly gets stoned on 3rd or 4th and short is because we don't QB sneak and probably never will again as long as Andy coaches here. The QB sneak is effective because of the suddenness of it. The Oline can get enough of a push for the QB to gain the yard or less needed. KC will hand to the back that has to run 2-3 yards before getting to the line. By that time the LBs can get there to be extra defenders to stop it.

I would be curious however with how effective teams are in 4th and 2. Do they convert at a higher % than KC?


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