No. The fact that you think they should have done some research to determine that Watson is a rapist (when he didn't start raping till after being drafted by the Texans) is just ****ing bonkers, dude.

So those elements of his personality were so innocuous that they couldn't see that he "character guy". Houston pulled the trigger and got burnt bad. If they do the Tunsil trade would further affirm they are clueless considering they'll have a rookie QB without blindside protection.

Dude is forever the apologist for everything! It’s insane!

Why are people arguing about Watson on this thread?

The Houston Texans have no idea what they're doing, but Busby is white knighting their plight

Dude I am not apologizing for him. He was flat out in the wrong. I can’t speak to whether the Texans enabled the behavior but I’m guessing this was not an issue at Clemson when Deshaun didn’t have money. And given that he was getting recs from other players about masseuses, I assume happy endings are relatively common and that early on that’s what was assumed was going on. In either event, to someone else’s point, not sure why that’s even all that relevant to this thread so I’ll stop there.

Wait, what?

What would be really tasty is if you can get some draft capital BACK from the Texans this year - say, #104 - and use that to move UP in the 2nd round. You could get to around #50 that way.

Is it doable? No clue.

#31 + 2024 3rd for Tunsil and 2024 4th?

I just think it ends up a 1 and a 2 value wise somehow if it were to get done.

Houston is a poorly run organization but drafting Watson is not one of those mistakes. He was probably the safest QB pick leading up to that draft.

Who needs a good stinkwrinkle massage?

I'd rather just pay the young LT that we just wont a Super Bowl with

Understandably, if you make this move you would lose out on a player or two. Draft pick and pay isn't ideal.

But at LT, you would lock up arguably the best LT in the game for the prime of his career. Mahomes would have an elite LT for the prime of his, or atleast the first half of it.

You'd think they'd be fine to have a big salary at LT due to the importance of the position.

There's reports that a good part of the league looking for a LT doesn't think Brown fits best at LT and would want him to play RT.

I think the Chiefs have their number and are sticking to that. I understand it.

That being said if we can drive a hard bargin lets ****ing do it... IF we get away paying him SOLID LT money instead of top money lets go.

Fixed your post, it's a little less dumb now

No. I'm pointing out that you're a ****ing moron.

The chances of that went to basically nill when he was allowed to hit free agency unencumbered by the franchise tag.

Maybe,

Unless no one offers him shit, then he comes back to the table.

How often do guys go out to the market to see their worth end up back with their original team?

Orlando Brown JR won't play another snap for the Chiefs. No since in really discussing it.

He played good in the SuperBowl and other games... CALM DOWN

He plays a premium position that alot of teams with alot of money need.

Because dumbass McGee thinks they should have just known he would be a future rape man and somehow in result they are going to trade their blindside protector for a sack of peanuts.

Nevermind we've done this shit multiple times over Tunsil and again for Cooks. Nothing ever happens but it never stops certain people from believing it suddenly will because ESPN made up a trade.

Did we trade for this giant, gas mask-wearing piece of shit yet?

I get the cents that you are right.

Sometimes saving as scent is worth it.

Has he been healthy his whole career?

Dude, don't cast stones because if you don't see how idiotic it is to defend that franchise

I will not calm down. He's bad at pass blocking against premium speed rushers, end of story, zero debate. If anything the slippery field helped him in the SB.

Bye, Orlando Brown, you won't be missed. Go to Chicago who will value your run blocking which is elite and not care as much about your pass blocking, which is garbage.

My only issue is how much help they had to give him that second half of the season and in the playoffs. If that’s what it’s going to take moving forward…then he isn’t worth much at all.

They drew their line, he gets what he wants.

I didn't necessarily want to sign him, but kinda figured it was the path of least resistance. But if they've got bigger or better plans, I'm all for it.

Have we made a deal scents I last refreshed?

Just call Brot Vorch Mr. Goodscents for those scentsable deals

You look at a guy like Donovan Smith in comparison to Orlando Brown Jr.

Smith’s rates in 2022 were more of the norm for the past four seasons. He only yielded one sack and a 3.8 percent pressure rate in 2021. But he allowed seven sacks and a 5.9 percent pressure rate in 2020, the season Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl with Tom Brady.

5% pressure rate which was much better than Orlando Brown’s almost 7%.

And yeah I get that Brady gets the ball out fast, but Orlando had Mahomes and his elite pocket presence+movement and chips/scheme helping him out.

Not advocating for Smith but I’d think it would be better to have him at $15 million than Orlando at $23+ million

Yeah but that's IF you can get Smith at $15 million a season. I think he's going to want more towards $20 million.

Nobody is defending them you dumb ****.

Yeah, Donovan Smith is in the same class as OBJ. I'm not paying him that. If he wants less, sure.

I'd prefer to just draft if that's the case.

The more I think about this, the more obvious it seems if the Texans are willing to part with him.

Tunsil is in his prime, and had a 91 PFF pass blocking grade last year, only allowing one sack in 1061 snaps.

I’d give Houston our 1 in a heartbeat and pay Tunsil once he gets in the building.

He’s a much better fit for our offense than OBJr ever was, and he’s simply a better player.

Get this deal done and we don’t have to worry about Pat’s blindside for the next several years.

Drafting is risky, but the payoff could be HUGE for keeping our line together for 5+ years.

LOL, yes you are I said they took the risk with knowledge of his personality profile, or they were absolutely unprepared that this could happen.

Please defend them, because you're acting like a closet Texans fan.

So did Wylie. Doesn't mean we bring back Brown Jr. for what he wants.

agreed,

But he might find his market not developing and come crawling back to Veach's original deal.

LMAO this reads like someone who lost but desperately wants to cling to some token W

Run along while the adults discuss.

Am I an adult!?

Thanks for tapout son, because you're the one that mentioned Watson.

A late first round LT can work, even as a rookie. Duane Brown was the 26th pick of the draft of the 08 draft and was a starter from day 1.

If the Chiefs were to go that route, they'd have to bring in a veteran to protect against a bust. Bringing back Eric Fisher would seem to be the natural move, but I'd still want to know why he chose not to play most of last year.

Can you read and comprehend? If so you got a leg up on TW.

I agree. Tunsil is a genuinely elite player, brutally underrated due to being in Houston, with no red flags (like Ramsey with age). He isn't quite Trent Williams due to TW's super-elite run-blocking, but at the same time TW gets a lot of hype for being on a successful, winning team. It isn't Tunsil's fault he plays for a trainwreck offense and franchise. If he'd been in KC the past couple years, everyone and their dog would widely hype him up as the top 3 LT he is.

That's all why I still just don't see why Houston would do it. Especially drafting apparently a 5'10, 190lb QB in a few weeks. They're not cap stretched AFAIK. They're not JUST entering a rebuild, where it's time to sell off; they're in theory coming out of it in a year or so, with an exciting new HC, young QB and presumably adding more playmakers around him. In other words, the perfect situation for Tunsil to be there and play a huge part in all that.

It's an absolute slam-dunk no-brainer move if it's on the table. The position, the role in the offense, the money makes sense, and he's a genuinely elite player. He's not Orlando Brown. This would be such a W, but there's no way. I refuse to get my hopes up.

I have to disagree as pride will be a factor in this. For a man who forced his way out of Baltimore to play LT and then rejected KC's generous offer last year and this year, not sure he will swallow his pride enough to come crawling back.

I just don't see that as something that will ever happen, the set up of the league won't really allow it. Thuney is about aged out, you need a RT and a LT etc.

I'd shoot for more "2 years and we'll see"

I think we really just need to keep Trey/Creed

Exactly. The only way I see it happening would be Tunsil forcing his way out and I don't recall anything that would make me think that's going to happen.

Tunsil being a top end pass blocker is about the only positive thing to happen from the BoB moves of doom. They should cling onto it for dear life.

You'd need him to not want to sign a deal there. I also don't know that a rebuilding team needs to have a "highest paid player at his position" on their roster, but it's at LT so I would probably do it.

You need pieces to help protect your rookie QB. Some weapons to throw to, a running game and a good blindside protector.

Even if they can't lock him in to a new long term deal, it's best to keep him one more year to protect the big investment at QB.

Maybe Texans aren't planning on a rookie QB.

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They're 100% drafting a QB at 2 even if they sign Jimmy G.

I think Jimmy G is going to be a Raider though.

If you want to get max return, you'd trade him this offseason. I'd think it's either that or extend.

This.

Signing Jimmy G doesn't mean they aren't taking a QB at #2. Just means they don't expect him to start that first year.

Remember when Andy and Co got here. They tagged Albert, drafted Fisher.

Now, Tunsil is worlds better than ALbert obviously, but never underestimate "starting over".

I don't think you get it. Why should they give a shit about landing pick #31 when they have the next decade plus, the #2 overall pick and tens of millions riding on a QB they draft working out?

They drafted Fisher because there was no QB.

Starting over might still be a possibility. They could draft LT at 12. Still very, very dumb IMO. Tunsil is THAT good. He isn't some fringe guy, like Albert was or OBJ. You keep guys like that IMO.

He's going into the last year of his deal. It would all come down to whether they think they can sign him or not.

You're twisting yourself in knots to believe this into existence.

And they will, to protect their new franchise QB that they get this year or next.

So that's Mcdaniels' big move huh.

Jimmy G.

They'll be fighting Denver for table scraps this year

If Tunsil doesn't agree to restructure that means Houston will have $35,210,834 Cap hit! There is just no way they do that.

Tunsil just has to say NO I won't extend this season and he will get traded.

I think this trade would be fair for both teams:

Houston gets:
#31-Get back into the 1st for that 5th year option
2024 1st
CEH, if they want him

Chiefs get:
Tunsil
#33


Texans can go:
#2: QB
#12: D/OL
#31: D/OL

Not too sure...They are talking about trading back, getting more picks, and using them to go all in for Caleb Williams next year. Could just be smoke though, its tat time of year.

Gosh I wonder what tree mcdaniels and caserio are from.

No kidding. LMAO

I've said since the beginning it would have to be a Tony G type, "I don't wanna go thru a rebuild or I won't sign a LTD here" kinda thing.

If they were gonna trade him they shoulda done it last year anyway so it's unlikely to happen at this point anyway.

I just think having an elite LT is so important. Especially in this offense with this QB.

I would pay QB, I would pay Tackles and I would pay Pass Rushers, (maybe a really elite corner too) everyone else is expendable and replaceable through cheap free agents or draft picks.

If I'm the Texans wouldn't the '24 pick be potentially more valuable than '23? This draft is pretty meh and Texans have 3 of the top 33 picks anyway. I think the obvious trade is...

Chiefs give 2nd round 2023, 1st round 2024

Texans give Tunsil

All predicated on whether they even entertain trading him, but this one seems more likely to me if they are open for business. It still lets the Chiefs draft at #31 in front of the home fans too (if that's actually important to Clark).

$35M cap hit for one year and then you have to franchise tag him. There's absolutely a world where Houston trades him away and goes full rebuild. Having three first round picks this year alone would be quite the splash. They are bereft of talent. That's not a situation where you want $35M to go towards one player who doesn't touch the ball.

And the reason why you want the #31 pick is that it's the last one with a fifth year option.

You know what's sexier than having a first round pick in front of a home crowd?

A fifth straight AFC Championship in front of a home crowd.

Clark has stated in interviews that he has no issues trading out of the 1st round if it improves the team.

How are these two things related?

Science.

Perhaps. I wasn't very good in science which is why I had questions.

I know, but it also gets brought up often about the draft in KC and the comment/joke made by Veach long ago that Clark said he couldn't trade the 1st round pick.

Honestly if I'm the Texans I might want the 2nd in '23 and the 1st in '24. Or at least it would be on the table as an option. If I'm building the Texans I would give a lot of consideration to the following type of rebuild:

- Sign a Jimmy G type QB to a 2-3 year deal that I can get out of in 2 years...
- Trade back from #2 to #3-#7 depending on who wants to come up for a QB.
- Trade Tunsil for #2nd rounder this year + 1st next year.

Start building the roster this year with young talent and roll into '24 draft with my pick + browns + KC to target Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. Both of those guys would be consensus QB#1 in this draft...

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