That’s just not true. The Chiefs knew Hill didn’t do anything. They had a copy of the tape where she admitted she made it all up. He wasn’t going to be in trouble with the NFL.

It seemed like he had so much potential, but it never clicked. I have to conclude that he couldn't learn the offense.

I thought he had a pretty decent year in 2021, 59 receptions for 693 yards on 83 targets. This year was a disappointment for sure. He has actually pretty healthy until this year.

He'll only help them for the 4 or 5 games he's healthy. Then he'll just be paid to sit around.

I think he’s just not a gamer.

I think he knew the routes but didn’t have a feel for the route so he lost some effectiveness vs a guy like Kelce.

Trust in Veach on this one i suppose.

It already felt like Hardman was out the door, but now I do wonder what the plan is at WR going forward.

Mecole always came off to me as a guy who relied on talent as an excuse to not put in the work. He was also spoiled with a SB ring his rookie year. Most players have to work thier asses off for that benefit.

I could be wrong, but that's how it looks to me.

We're signing a veteran WR and drafting at least one WR in an early round. Gut says in the 2nd, because we need to draft an EDGE in the first.

So...why are you arguing with me on all of these threads when we're LITERALLY saying the same thing?

Second round is Veach’s money round. I am good with that.

Now he will be doing the jet sweep for the Jets. Seems fitting team for him to go too.

Give up on pussy tease Rodgers and trade for Lamar ROFL

Because the results with his WR picks in the second have been so spectacular…

Veach has drafted 2, and one has played exactly one season and the other was closer to a hit than a miss.

He also drafted CEH in the 1st then turned around and found Pacheco in the 7th. What happened before means absolutely nothing about the future.

Go root for your boy Brandon Beane and the Bills bundle of sticks.

I wouldn't say that Mecole was more of a hit than a miss. If I were to describe his career in a sentence it would be this:

Mecole was a speedy wide receiver who was often injured, was mediocre at route running, had sub-par hands but would occasionally make the big play.

I hope he has a great career but lets not kid ourselves.

wasn't consistant and had some head scratching days where he has blazing speed but couldn't get open. He had some nice games and I don't think he was lazy or anything. He just doesn't have the it factor. He was better than people in here are giving credit for. 2 super bowl teams. Winner at the highest level. That is pretty good.

Somebody has to do it:p

But also because your plan is the most conservative as far as resources are concerned, and I can't argue with that.

Doesn't mean I like it. Or that I want that. It's just the path of least resistance.


And, I said 'veteran WR,' which could mean some middling WR like you think Veach will go after. Or it could mean a real honest-to-God WR with some real juice in the tank to burn. Or, something in between.

That's because people like yourselves have unrealistic expectations when it comes to the draft.

Not D.K. Metcalf doesn't mean a miss.

You know what a miss is? Look at Parris Campbell and JJ Arcega-Whiteside. Mecole was a productive player from year 1, and was arguably the best gadget player in the league. He's easily one of the more productive WRs from that draft. He certainly played his role in our success.

So, for a 2nd round pick, he was absolutely closer to a hit than a miss.

He was on pace to have 12+ touchdowns this year both receiving and rushing. I think this could have been his break out year second half of the season but got derailed. Now see we will see what kind of productivity he brings to the Jets.

Hardman was reliable but limited. You could always count on his strong points and weaknesses. His number one weakness was always not being fully in sync with Patrick. They had an odd chemistry, which was the opposite with a JAG like D-Rob.

I knew Hardman wouldn't get what people were suggesting. Yes he has blazing speed but every other team could see what he did with that. I liked him but he was never getting the bag predicted.

I can't believe Hardman took a one year prove it deal with the Jets.
Now he has to learn a new offense, and leap-frog a pretty talented group of WR's that are ahead of him for snaps to try to get a bag next year.

I mean, the smart thing from any angle was to take a one year deal in KC, take advantage of a WR corps in flux, where he knew the offense and Mahomes, put up some numbers and try to get a bag from there.

Just a really dumb decision.

And I find it REALLY interesting that the two coaches who knew him best (EB and Andy) weren't interested in signing him.

This isn't necessarily a smoking gun, but I watched this a few months ago and concluded that he's probably not the best decision maker. He had all the talent but never put it together and I have to assume that's due to a lack of motivation/dedication.

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I've been saying Mahomes doesn't like Hardman. Mahomes rarely gets upset on the field and points out receivers who ran wrong routes. When he does 80% of the time its Hardman. You never see him partying with Mahomes. I think he may not be the sharpest tool in the shed.

In Veach we trust.

Really thought he would've been in KC for another year, for that kind of money.

He took the most money offered. It's what they mostly always do, as we all would.

Unless I believed that I could leverage a successful prove it year in a familiar offense that isn't deep at WR.

To be fair, the Jets will likely be an exciting team to play for this season. But I reckon Mecole would make money in the long run of he stayed in KC one more year. Who knows though, maybe Veach didn't even offer him a contact in the end.

It's definitely possible, but I'd say more likely this just is who he is. He's not getting paid a ton off one good year. Teams know what he is at this point.

Perhaps not, but overall he hits far more than he misses in the second round. Plus let's give Moore this year before labeling him a flop or bust.

I remember when KC traded for Toney and there was a lot of noise about how Hardman wasn't happy with it. Not sure if that played a role in him leaving KC for the Jets even if it was just a one year prove it deal.

He's the one guy in '22 that DIDN'T go down and work with Mahomes in Texas. Perhaps that was poorly received.

He was all about getting 10 targets per game. Good luck in NY! That WR roster is pretty loaded. He ain't getting shit but returning punts.

Hardmans only hope is that the offensive scheme is much more simplified. He had 4 years to learn Andy's offense and didn't.

Now he thinks he's going to learn a new offense in one season on the fly?

If he thinks it's wasn't fun getting the earful from Patrick, Wait until Aaron Rodgers eviscerates him in a press conference.

New York fans are going to shred Hardman.

Yeah, this was likely a career suicide decision. He's gonna be a punt returner.

I'm not surprised. Maybe the idea that KC is a desired destination for WR's is a belief built up by the fanbase. Or else we are trying to get WR's by paying 70 cents on the dollar while everyone else is paying a buck ten. In the grand scheme of things, players don't chase championships. They chase paychecks.

Whether you think it is a dumb decision or not is nothing but coming from a fan perspective. It surely isn't coming from monetary standpoint of Mecole's bank account. There is no guarantee that a bigger contract will be there for him next year. If the Chiefs offered you 3.5 and the Jets offered you 6.5. Even considering taxes for your bottom line it would be a dumb decision to take the 3.5.

I am surprised he went to a team where he starts out as the 4th wr. Not really surprised he is leaving. Though he has looked good in spurts he never was going to be a top option. He never progressed more then 50 receptions 600 yds and some gimmick plays. With Tooney and Moore really playing the same position and looking to bring in another wr to run opposite MVS ... The smart play was to leave just shocked he could not find a spot where he was a top 2 option.

That's only partly true. Early in their career they absolutely chase the paycheck which is not a bad thing at all. As their career starts to wind down though, many take less to ring chase.

Hardman has two rings already so he should chase the biggest contract he can get. Only thing is that he needs to be wise in who he signs with as his new team might not put him in a better position to cash in long term. Perhaps the NYJ were his biggest and best overall offer. No way to know for sure.

Maybe the way you look at it as a fan isn't the same way a player looks at it. :shrug:

A company offers you 90K benefits included per year for a specific job. Another employer offers you 50K benefits included for the exact same job. Which one are you taking?

Understand. Given the Wr market and mediocre wr going for 10 mil a year...Just thought he would have had more teams in on him for a 6.5 1 yr deal. Guess not.

Don't fool yourself. Players chase the biggest paycheck they possibly can. Don't look down on that like it is something icky. It's not.

There are a very few number of players that may chase a championship in the moonlight of their career. Definitely not in the prime earning years of their playing career.

Paycheck, yeah. You have any idea how expensive east coast living is?

Down market year. Get what you can while you can.

I think taking a 1 year deal this year is brilliant to take a chance on himself. The cap goes up next year. Doubtful the WR market will be down as much as this year. Aaron Rodgers to the Jets will happen. He won't have a shit QB and I think he will settle into being their WR3. Mecole may make his 10 million next year. :shrug:

Obviously not enough to keep him away.

Well, it's a pretty considerable difference between Midwest cost of living and New York. But Hardman doesn't appear to be wise.

You are talking what may be just 9mos. of living expenses in New Jersey. It's really not even a factor and kind of silly to hang your hat onto.

It's not like he is setting down roots, buying a house, etc in New Jersey. I'm sure the increase of living expenses, even if it is a couple hundred thousand is minimal if the contract was substantially more than the Chiefs offered.

Umm...no. it's double, maybe triple.

You're just not making any sense and you just can't see it. The living expenses for a few months is a non factor.

It's okay, you are wrong about what Hardman would do. You think in your head that your idea of what is best for him is actually best for him. That's just plain silly.

Yeah, but he can sell his car and take the subway to work.

I agree about them chasing the highest paycheck as they should. It’s definitely not icky and I would do the same thing if I was in their spot. I never understood people expecting players to take a hometown discount out of loyalty. I do know many chase rings at the end, especially if they haven’t earned one.

I am not even hating on Hardman jumping ship to the NYJ. I just question if that was the best decision for him long term as he might get buried on their depth chart.

He is going to a wideout room that is deep. I do not see him getting as much use as he thinks he is going to get.

Congrats to him on a nice payday, He wont sniff the playoffs.

If the Jets get Rodgers, they are making the playoffs outside being decimated by injuries.

Yea if Rodgers goes there you can argue they are better than Buffalo.

Good point,

Or he could keep his car, live in a nice rental in Florham Park and still be to work in 30mins.

He bet on himself and I like that. Whether we view it as fans the best decision to make is only coming from a perspective of limited view.

If the Jets were to post June 1 Mosely and Lawson that saves them 32 million dollars.

Correct. He bet on himself. Now let’s see if it pays off.

Does that matter for a professional football player, unless he's literally blown all his previous money?

Well, if you're making 6m, and the house is 4m in NY but would be 1.5m in KC, yeah, I would think that is significant.

He's not buying a house there when it's 1 year...

I think Mecole has always seen himself as a #1 WR. He has convinced himself that the fact he is not, is someone else's fault.

The Chiefs have an opening at the #1 spot, the Jets do not. If you believed you are capable why would you not seize the opportunity right in front of you?

He is not making good decisions which has likely been his problem all along.

The decision to NOT work out with Mahomes and all the other WRs is a perfect example. Bad decision.

He had to learn something while he was here. I do think he was improving, even if it was slowly.

He feels like this was a good move and maybe it was. Maybe the Jets allow him to be more of a WR and maybe he blossoms.

I appreciate what he did for us and wish him luck!

Damn, you dumb as shit bro. The guy hadn't missed a game in 3 years until this season.

Yeah, buying a penthouse in New York is dumb unless you have Jennifer Lopez money.

He can rent an apartment in Hoboken at a price affordable to an NFL player.

These stats over 4 years are well below expectations and average at best.

His jet sweeps and sudden breakaways will be missed, not much else.

Why are you making this assumption?

#1 no one is buying a house with a 1 year contract. #2 highly doubtful he lives in NY.

If he feels that way then he's delusional. With Tyreek gone there was no receiving threat outside of Kelce with more experience in this offense than him and yet he still couldn't beat out MVS and JJSS. He has a role and is a good complimentary piece for an offense, but he's just not and probably never will be a #1. If he were to embrace the #2 or #3 WR role he could carve out for himself a nice solid career.

I doubt he was ever crazy enough to think he was going to be WR1. Anywhere.

But he could've thought he could maybe be the 2, except MVS took that slot, and then Toney took WR3 from him. And then KC management announces that Toney's all but crowned WR1 and Skyy probably will be slotted over Mecole. That slide could've made him start looking elsewhere.

Aside from housing, I would guess the state tax rate is higher.

He's on a one-year deal, right? He isn't buying a house to be there for a year.

Not sure anywhere around there is cheap. NJ has high taxes from my understanding and CT also has a very high cost of living.

I mean Tom Brady took a substantial amount less than what he was valued at so the Pats could spend more throughout a variety of positions. That's exactly what fueled their long ass SB run

I think the idea is that most players chase the $$$. Which is accurate. Only a few players will take less, and almost all of those are long-tenured QBs chasing Rings.

Dude thrashed his groin... I wonder if the Chiefs think he's going to get his top speed back?

What dude thrashed his groin?

His abdominal injury turned out to be a groin



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He’s a stupid player with elite speed. That’s it.

Last offseason he kept going on social media complaining how the team didn’t add him to promotions…then we added Juju and Juju was featured over him and he went on social media again about it

It’s entirely possible Veach had had enough, got Pats input and didn’t even make an offer.

been saying that for weeks.

If not, he’s probably not even an NFL player, going forward.

Those jet sweeps, screens and quick hitters don’t work without elite nfl freak type speed and no other parts of his game are special.

And frankly, there's a big difference between a QB making $20 million a year and another position player making $5 million a year. They're both insane amounts, but the QB is so rich that money is purely theoretical. After five or seven years they can buy entire nations. A player making $5 million a year needs either a long career or one big payday to spend the rest of their lives with butlers and chambermaids. Otherwise they're just garden-variety rich.

Nobody should be surprised that he’s not a 1/2 option in the NFL. He has done none of the things a traditional outside WR has to do with consistency.

He’s had multiple opportunities to get #1 targets and hasn’t ever risen to the occasion.

Re-injuring the groin in the playoffs was as bad of timing as he could get.

No way he’s able to show teams his mid 4.3 speed at this stage in recovery…and by the time it’s healed enough to do so (if ever) the draft is happening and the role teams are paying for are filled with draft picks that still have upside.

Mecole is looked at as a gadget player that’s a liability.

I am forever thankful for his catch against the Bengals. That was a big time, gutsy catch that could have been one of the plays that swung the game to us.

But yeah, there are too many factors (he and Patrick's lack of chemistry being the biggest) that make me think KC was okay to let him try to succeed elsewhere.