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BigRedChief 04-08-2023 08:15 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jordan Walker extends hitting streak to start his career to eight games. Only one player in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLB?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MLB</a> history since 1901 has been as young and started his career with a hitting streak as long as eight games.<br><br>Ted Williams.<br><br>Yeah, that Ted Williams had nine straight.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HOF?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HOF</a></p>&mdash; Derrick Goold (@dgoold) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1644852367320313856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BigRedChief 04-09-2023 09:00 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The race for NL ROY is underway ⬇️<br><br>Corbin Carroll: .257/.278/.457/.735<br><br>(2 HR, 3 RBI, 5 SB)<br><br>Jordan Walker: .355/.394/.613/1.007<br><br>(2 HR, 7 RBI, 1 SB)</p>&mdash; Ryan (@The_Ryan_Shull) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Ryan_Shull/status/1645031475425734656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

raybec 4 04-10-2023 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16895574)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The race for NL ROY is underway ⬇️<br><br>Corbin Carroll: .257/.278/.457/.735<br><br>(2 HR, 3 RBI, 5 SB)<br><br>Jordan Walker: .355/.394/.613/1.007<br><br>(2 HR, 7 RBI, 1 SB)</p>&mdash; Ryan (@The_Ryan_Shull) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Ryan_Shull/status/1645031475425734656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That is more than a little premature.

DJ's left nut 04-10-2023 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16897155)
That is more than a little premature.

Anything else worth talking about on this club right now?

You wanna place bets on Taylor Motter for comeback player of the year? Think ol Jack Lives Matter is gonna keep going out there throwing up zeroes while he can't miss bats and walks 6 guys/gm?

raybec 4 04-10-2023 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16897164)
Anything else worth talking about on this club right now?

You wanna place bets on Taylor Motter for comeback player of the year? Think ol Jack Lives Matter is gonna keep going out there throwing up zeroes while he can't miss bats and walks 6 guys/gm?

Good point but the extreme build up and giddy anticipation of Jordan Walker being the next Stan Musial gives me some serious Oscar Taveras flashbacks. You jinxy bastards are going to get this kid killed before he even vests.

poolboy 04-10-2023 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16881542)
Walker could be Hal McRae or Edgar Martinez just be a lifer DH. Nothing wrong with that.

Love Walker....what a stud!

ChiefsCountry 04-10-2023 08:50 PM

Cards starting pitching just blows. And they are kind of stuck with them as well. Too good of a lineup to just waste, even though the lineup isn't really producing either.

DJ's left nut 04-10-2023 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16897443)
Cards starting pitching just blows. And they are kind of stuck with them as well. Too good of a lineup to just waste, even though the lineup isn't really producing either.

About $60 million dumped into this rotation and they're below replacement level.

Now it's Coors and that's worth pointing out. But shit man, this ain't a new thing. This staff has been trash all season.

And now they're just doing stupid stuff. Blowing a simple double steal and letting a run score before you get the tag made. Missing your window to challenge with 2 outs in the 7th when you're not even ALLOWED to challenge in the 8th or beyond anyway. So exactly WTF are you even looking at, Ollie? Saving your challenge for what exactly? Trying to carry it over into the next game?

It's just a bad team with a bad manager and a lousy front office. I'm really not sure what else there is to say at this point. They have some nice players; some real pieces to build around. But Mozeliak is simply bad at his job.

George Liquor 04-11-2023 07:56 PM

This team sucks.

DJ's left nut 04-11-2023 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 16898715)
This team sucks.

Good thing we extended Mikolas for 2 more years for no damn reason at all.

Lots of 35 yr old pitchers get $20 million/yr deals with an ERA over 8, right?

****ing hell Mozeliak sucks at this.

Frazod 04-11-2023 08:18 PM

The only hope is that they're finally bad enough that people stop going to the games.

And it looks like they're well on their way. I wouldn't walk across the street to watch these pricks.

George Liquor 04-11-2023 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16898723)
Good thing we extended Mikolas for 2 more years for no damn reason at all.

Lots of 35 yr old pitchers get $20 million/yr deals with an ERA over 8, right?

****ing hell Mozeliak sucks at this.

What happened to the suicide emoji?

Rams Fan 04-11-2023 08:59 PM

Might as well let Donovan be a SP.

ChiefsCountry 04-11-2023 09:19 PM

Cards offense came alive finally in Denver

George Liquor 04-11-2023 10:54 PM

Good win. Do it again tomorrow

BigRedChief 04-12-2023 07:17 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Rockies paid Nolan Arenado $50 million to do this with the Cardinals btw <a href="https://t.co/cz4Q71ZZHp">pic.twitter.com/cz4Q71ZZHp</a></p>&mdash; Barstool Baseball (@StoolBaseball) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoolBaseball/status/1645977944559370241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ocotillo 04-12-2023 03:19 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nolan Gorman breaks the tie! <a href="https://t.co/Pg8jnQ68L1">pic.twitter.com/Pg8jnQ68L1</a></p>&mdash; Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1646261131130839043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Marco Polo 04-12-2023 04:48 PM

Two wins in a row, who knew?

George Liquor 04-12-2023 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 16899841)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nolan Gorman breaks the tie! <a href="https://t.co/Pg8jnQ68L1">pic.twitter.com/Pg8jnQ68L1</a></p>&mdash; Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1646261131130839043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Had the Cardinals run-line -1.5 so it was frustrating to watch them cough it up twice. Another good win though!

DJ's left nut 04-12-2023 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 16899936)
Two wins in a row, who knew?

"If we win one tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

scho63 04-14-2023 08:59 AM

I remember when the Cards used my Pirates like little bitch punching bags.

We didn't look bad at all yesterday in the 1st matchup of the year.

Ocotillo 04-14-2023 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 16901835)
I remember when the Cards used my Pirates like little bitch punching bags.

We didn't look bad at all yesterday in the 1st matchup of the year.

Ji-Hwan Bae's catch slamming into the wall was a 10/10 defensive play.

raybec 4 04-14-2023 11:46 AM

Wasted a really good pitching performance yesterday. Now we get Woodford today......no bueno.

DJ's left nut 04-14-2023 02:52 PM

It's okay guys - Woodford magically got good over the winter.

Wonder how long it'll take to get Libby called up. If he's actually pitching with purpose now, he's a legit #3 starter. His AAA stuff was just miles better than his MLB stuff because he was guiding when he got called up. He looked terrified and it was just obvious in how little life his stuff had.

Get up here and rip the goddamn ball, kid. That breaker will play and the fastball works nicely when you actually fire it.

He's a big leaguer when he's actually throwing the ball.

raybec 4 04-14-2023 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16902566)
It's okay guys - Woodford magically got good over the winter.

Wonder how long it'll take to get Libby called up. If he's actually pitching with purpose now, he's a legit #3 starter. His AAA stuff was just miles better than his MLB stuff because he was guiding when he got called up. He looked terrified and it was just obvious in how little life his stuff had.

Get up here and rip the goddamn ball, kid. That breaker will play and the fastball works nicely when you actually fire it.

He's a big leaguer when he's actually throwing the ball.

He can't possibly be worse than Woodford or even Matz. Let him learn while he's here because those guys aren't helping.

DJ's left nut 04-14-2023 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16902599)
He can't possibly be worse than Woodford or even Matz. Let him learn while he's here because those guys aren't helping.

Mikolas has been ass as well.

Mongomery has been the only consistently decent starter we've had.

raybec 4 04-14-2023 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16902604)
Mikolas has been ass as well.

Mongomery has been the only consistently decent starter we've had.

Isn't it just the most Mo thing ever that he signs Mikolas to a fat extension moments before he shits himself.

DJ's left nut 04-14-2023 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16902607)
Isn't it just the most Mo thing ever that he signs Mikolas to a fat extension moments before he shits himself.

It would frustrate me if it weren't the 5th or 6th time he's done precisely that.

At this point I just kinda shrug. He's a shitty GM and that's all there is to it.

raybec 4 04-14-2023 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16902610)
It would frustrate me if it weren't the 5th or 6th time he's done precisely that.

At this point I just kinda shrug. He's a shitty GM and that's all there is to it.

He keeps the club making money. That's all we'll ever get.

George Liquor 04-15-2023 03:12 PM

Hicks ****ing BLOWS

jd1020 04-15-2023 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16902604)
Mikolas has been ass as well.

Mongomery has been the only consistently decent starter we've had.

I said when you guys signed Contreras that I wondered how your pitching would turn out.

When the whole discussion on should the Cubs re-sign him or not was happening, someone tweeted out the pitching ERA of Contreras vs Gomes. IIRC, everyone but Stroman was a full run better pitching to Gomes. Stroman was about even between the 2.

Pablo 04-15-2023 04:08 PM

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seclark 04-15-2023 05:43 PM

Jinxed

George Liquor 04-15-2023 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 16903400)

But the Cardinals suck, why he is on the bandwagon now?

Jewish Rabbi 04-16-2023 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 16903547)
But the Cardinals suck, why he is on the bandwagon now?

One of the players must be railing him

Marcellus 04-16-2023 07:19 AM

It wasn’t the reason Hicks sucked ass throwing 7 straight sliders to McCutchen but holy shit was that ump terrible yesterday. One of the wost called games I’ve seen in a long time.

George Liquor 04-16-2023 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 16903719)
It wasn’t the reason Hicks sucked ass throwing 7 straight sliders to McCutchen but holy shit was that ump terrible yesterday. One of the wost called games I’ve seen in a long time.

I'm not gonna blame the umps when this team finds a different way to suck each game.

DJ's left nut 04-16-2023 09:31 AM

Yeah - at some point I'm just tired of blaming umps. Seems like we do it every game.

Play better baseball. Nolan could try putting a single ball in play - how many times will you even make it to extras when your 5 hitter leaves EIGHT guys on base behind your 4 hitter who left 4 on in his own right. Donovan from the 1 hole gets on base 4 times and swipes two bags, scores a single run.

Matz could maybe find a way to avoid giving up a 450 ft blast to a guy who hits about 6 homers/season to lead off the game. Or maybe DON'T walk 2 guys to load the bases and you won't have to throw a shit fit when you don't get a call that you haven't earned to that point with the bases loaded. Helsley could come into a game ready to pitch. Hicks could throw that 102 mph sinker a single time at some point before the game gets away from us.

At least I don't specifically recall Walker gacking any plays in the OF, so that's a plus.

Oh - and it's the mother****ing Pirates. These guys aren't even TRYING to win. I mean the Reds at least have 3 absolute monster arms at the front of their rotation and a couple quality hitters. The Pirates have just about officially dick to work with; they're barely a big league ballclub.

Ocotillo 04-16-2023 10:44 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Ozuna Deal: Where Are They Now? <a href="https://t.co/94bHJtiCQt">pic.twitter.com/94bHJtiCQt</a></p>&mdash; Derrick Goold (@dgoold) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1647637292146630657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Marcellus 04-16-2023 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16903816)
Yeah - at some point I'm just tired of blaming umps. Seems like we do it every game.

Play better baseball. Nolan could try putting a single ball in play - how many times will you even make it to extras when your 5 hitter leaves EIGHT guys on base behind your 4 hitter who left 4 on in his own right. Donovan from the 1 hole gets on base 4 times and swipes two bags, scores a single run.

Matz could maybe find a way to avoid giving up a 450 ft blast to a guy who hits about 6 homers/season to lead off the game. Or maybe DON'T walk 2 guys to load the bases and you won't have to throw a shit fit when you don't get a call that you haven't earned to that point with the bases loaded. Helsley could come into a game ready to pitch. Hicks could throw that 102 mph sinker a single time at some point before the game gets away from us.

At least I don't specifically recall Walker gacking any plays in the OF, so that's a plus.

Oh - and it's the mother****ing Pirates. These guys aren't even TRYING to win. I mean the Reds at least have 3 absolute monster arms at the front of their rotation and a couple quality hitters. The Pirates have just about officially dick to work with; they're barely a big league ballclub.

I didn't blame the umps I simply pointed out it was a horrifically called game. Both can be true.

Matz pitched like Matz but even with horrendous umping gave up only 3 runs. Lets be honest Matz was the guy who most likely performed to his history. Then Hicks just totally shit the bed in Hicks fashion. Arenado and Goldy both choked in huge moments.

Umps suck, Cards FO sucks, Cards managers suck.

Its a suckfest.

DJ's left nut 04-16-2023 12:27 PM

Look at the bright side - Mikolas only gave up one run in the 1st inning so his ERA went down.

DJ's left nut 04-16-2023 01:04 PM

Only 2 through 3. ERA just keeps going down. Great work, Miles!!!

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-16-2023 04:57 PM

Hicks has always been a guy for whom the whole is much, much less than the sum of the parts. Guys obviously don't have a problem seeing the ball out of his hand, otherwise, a two-seamer with that much velocity and movement wouldn't so consistently be put in play, and his breaking pitches have never been more than ordinary.

raybec 4 04-17-2023 07:35 PM

Pallante gives up a homer, a double, 2 walks and Ollie leaves him in to surrender the granny. Great way to manage innings I guess.

George Liquor 04-18-2023 07:03 PM

Fire everyone

Marcellus 04-18-2023 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 16907602)
Fire everyone

Beer venders, ushers, security guys, EVERYONE.

Pasta Little Brioni 04-18-2023 10:32 PM

Team is an embarrassment. Lifeless half full stadium tonight. Just not many likeable players to get behind. Ive never seen a lack of ovations for a Cardinals team like this. Such a bland team. Mo being employed is a slap on the face...

BigRedChief 04-20-2023 06:13 PM

That’s an inglorious end for him. At least the Cardinals finally hit him. :D


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Pasta Little Brioni 04-20-2023 07:19 PM

Mo will gobble him up

DJ's left nut 04-21-2023 09:30 AM

The thing is that with this infield defense, especially on the left side, a lefty really should be able to have outsized success here.

But he has to have ANYTHING left.

Lester and Happ didn't have much - they needle was just above E. But it WAS above E.

Bum's needle has been sitting on that little pin for the last 20 miles. The motor isn't actually running, he's just been coasting downhill and didn't realize it. He's just so done.

Marcellus 04-21-2023 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16910655)
Mo will gobble him up

I think he is still owed $35MM wouldn't the team have to pick up the contract?

DJ's left nut 04-21-2023 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 16911258)
I think he is still owed $35MM wouldn't the team have to pick up the contract?

Not once he clears waivers after the DFA period.

Once a player gets through the assignment period, they club can outright them to the minors but typically with veterans who can refuse assignment (5+ years of service time), they're just outright released.

That'll be what happens here.

Jewish Rabbi 04-21-2023 10:57 AM

And then he gets to go play for whoever he wants and that team is only on the hook for league min. I know he’s washed but I’d take a flyer on that.

Marcellus 04-21-2023 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16911269)
Not once he clears waivers after the DFA period.

Once a player gets through the assignment period, they club can outright them to the minors but typically with veterans who can refuse assignment (5+ years of service time), they're just outright released.

That'll be what happens here.

Ah I see its basically the same as the NFL waiver wire.

I can see Mo picking him up and pointing to it as their due diligence to addressing the pitching issues.

DJ's left nut 04-21-2023 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16911276)
And then he gets to go play for whoever he wants and that team is only on the hook for league min. I know he’s washed but I’d take a flyer on that.

If you'd take a flyer on this guy, you don't realize HOW washed he is.

I have never seen a Statcast page this bad before.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/pict...pictureid=2382

He does nothing well. No velocity, no spin, no command, can't miss bats, can't coax soft contact.

He's...tall. That's it. That's literally the only thing he does that isn't in the bottom 20% of baseball. Be tall.

I don't think he can regularly get outs in AA at this point. This guy is as done as they get.

George Liquor 04-22-2023 09:38 PM

This team doesn't do anything good

Ocotillo 04-22-2023 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16911308)
If you'd take a flyer on this guy, you don't realize HOW washed he is.

I have never seen a Statcast page this bad before.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/pict...pictureid=2382

He does nothing well. No velocity, no spin, no command, can't miss bats, can't coax soft contact.

He's...tall. That's it. That's literally the only thing he does that isn't in the bottom 20% of baseball. Be tall.

I don't think he can regularly get outs in AA at this point. This guy is as done as they get.

I knew he was done already, but if the Rays signed MadBum, I would totally believe they could turn him around.

BigRedChief 04-23-2023 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 16912703)
This team doesn't do anything good

I saw our offense as a legit side of a baseball team. The possibilities are there to score runs. I’m not saying compete with the big boys in the championship rounds but legit players.

The pitching? Everyone could see we needed more pitching. Everyone except, as it seems, Mo. who added shit.

I see Mo and Dewitt being applauded, really applauded, not polite BS applauding but the real shit on TV by the fans. I’m staring at the screen yelling WTF. What are you watching? The same games? How are you so blind?

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-23-2023 09:14 PM

I haven't been this checked out on the Cardinals since 1995.

Ocotillo 04-23-2023 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16913066)
I saw our offense as a legit side of a baseball team. The possibilities are there to score runs. I’m not saying compete with the big boys in the championship rounds but legit players.

The Cardinals have the best collection of starting nine players and excess position players in baseball. Most of them are homegrown.

kcpasco 04-23-2023 09:38 PM

This pitching staff and manager are dogshit. A couple bad seasons wouldn’t be the worst thing to happen for some changes.

Pasta Little Brioni 04-23-2023 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 16913394)
The Cardinals have the best collection of starting nine players and excess position players in baseball. Most of them are homegrown.

ROFL mo loves fans like you

Ocotillo 04-23-2023 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16913417)
ROFL mo loves fans like you

I didn't say they had a championship caliber baseball team though.

Position players are only part of the equation.

DJ's left nut 04-24-2023 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 16912723)
I knew he was done already, but if the Rays signed MadBum, I would totally believe they could turn him around.

They Rays could get 65 quality innings out of me.

The only reason I have Zach Eflin on my fantasy teams is that the Rays signed him for a decent contract. They know something and they'll get it fixed.

The Rays are goddamn wizards.

ChiefsCountry 04-24-2023 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16913645)
They Rays could get 65 quality innings out of me.

The only reason I have Zach Eflin on my fantasy teams is that the Rays signed him for a decent contract. They know something and they'll get it fixed.

The Rays are goddamn wizards.

Tampa has like 35 data analysts on staff. It's crazy.

VAChief 04-24-2023 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16913666)
Tampa has like 35 data analysts on staff. It's crazy.

They have scored by far the most runs in either league...have have given up by far the fewest runs scored in either league.

They are doing more than a few things right.

DJ's left nut 04-24-2023 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 16913731)
They have scored by far the most runs in either league...have have given up by far the fewest runs scored in either league.

They are doing more than a few things right.

Overpay every front office executive you have by 100% and you'd still be out no more than the cost of an average middle reliever.

It's completely inexcusable that DeWitt hasn't fired this entire front office and attempted to poach literally every single member of the Rays staff he can get to say yes.

Even if the guy's sole goal is profit - how does retaining Mozeliak over the Rays guys lead to maximizing it?

At a point, it's just laziness on DeWitt's part.

And if the Cardinals had lost guys like Baz and Springer to serious injury, we'd hear nothing but excuses from the front office and local media to how it's hamstrung their ability to compete.

The Rays don't miss a beat. They sign Eflin and turn him into a viable 3rd starter and call up Taj Bradley.

Meanwhile we'll only pitch Zack Thompson in blowouts and have Liberatore toiling in AAA because Jake Woodford threw 5 decent innings once.

Jewish Rabbi 04-24-2023 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 16913731)
They have scored by far the most runs in either league...have have given up by far the fewest runs scored in either league.

They are doing more than a few things right.

They’ve also been blessed with an incredibly soft start to the season. They’re 1-2 against teams who aren’t actively tanking.

DJ's left nut 04-24-2023 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16913946)
They’ve also been blessed with an incredibly soft start to the season. They’re 1-2 against teams who aren’t actively tanking.

Sure.

But everyone says "Man, their schedule is soft - anyone could beat those guys..."

And then those lousy teams still managed to win 40% of their ballgames.

When the Rays are going 8-2 or 9-1 against the kind of teams that other squads go 6-4 or maybe 7-3 against, that means something.

jd1020 04-24-2023 11:49 AM

Feel like Zach Eflin has been more of an under the radar quality pitcher for a few years now and less of someone the Rays just turned into a solid arm.

I was talking with some friends that are Phillies fans about what they were going to do with him last year. He's had a 1.2 or lower WHIP for 4 years. Doesnt dig his own grave with walks. And across the board all of his expected numbers have been in the 3's since like 2018. The main wart was he was susceptible to giving up HR's a bit more than you would like, which so far in Tampa hasn't been an issue... yet.

BigRedChief 04-24-2023 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16913645)
They Rays could get 65 quality innings out of me.

The only reason I have Zach Eflin on my fantasy teams is that the Rays signed him for a decent contract. They know something and they'll get it fixed.

The Rays are goddamn wizards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16913666)
Tampa has like 35 data analysts on staff. It's crazy.

And these fans don’t appreciate it, at all. They play in a shithole but on the field, there is always talent.

Ocotillo 04-24-2023 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16914082)
Feel like Zach Eflin has been more of an under the radar quality pitcher for a few years now and less of someone the Rays just turned into a solid arm.

I was talking with some friends that are Phillies fans about what they were going to do with him last year. He's had a 1.2 or lower WHIP for 4 years. Doesnt dig his own grave with walks. And across the board all of his expected numbers have been in the 3's since like 2018. The main wart was he was susceptible to giving up HR's a bit more than you would like, which so far in Tampa hasn't been an issue... yet.

Last year a knee issue shut him down and when he came back, the Phillies put him in a high leverage relief role on their way to the World Series. A definite valuable piece to a pitching staff.

DJ's left nut 04-24-2023 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16914082)
Feel like Zach Eflin has been more of an under the radar quality pitcher for a few years now and less of someone the Rays just turned into a solid arm.

I was talking with some friends that are Phillies fans about what they were going to do with him last year. He's had a 1.2 or lower WHIP for 4 years. Doesnt dig his own grave with walks. And across the board all of his expected numbers have been in the 3's since like 2018. The main wart was he was susceptible to giving up HR's a bit more than you would like, which so far in Tampa hasn't been an issue... yet.

Sure - but the market didn't value him that highly.

When the Rays were willing to give him the biggest FA contract in the HISTORY of their franchise, that told me he was worth a heck of a lot more than the market was supporting.

He's a strike thrower that the Rays have figured out how to get his stuff from roughly league average to probably 20% above league average. Add that increase in stuff to his command and you have...I dunno...Kevin Gausman potential?

Jewish Rabbi 04-24-2023 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16914028)
Sure.

But everyone says "Man, their schedule is soft - anyone could beat those guys..."

And then those lousy teams still managed to win 40% of their ballgames.

When the Rays are going 8-2 or 9-1 against the kind of teams that other squads go 6-4 or maybe 7-3 against, that means something.

Oh, their scouting and player development is incredible, no doubt about it. I just don’t believe they are as good as their record so far shows.

DJ's left nut 04-24-2023 02:35 PM

Well given that their present record has them finishing 140-22, I don't think that's too thin a limb to go out on...

scho63 04-24-2023 03:07 PM

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I think I'm being sucked in with false hope. :(

Marcellus 04-24-2023 03:18 PM

When the only good thing to come of DeJong getting called up is a hack like Taylor Motter gets DFA'd you know your roster sucks depth in big way.

raybec 4 04-24-2023 09:56 PM

As TLR used to say.....You can't win the division in April but you can sure lose it in April. We are experiencing that this year. If they don't get it turned around pretty quick the hole will be too big to dig out of.

DJ's left nut 04-24-2023 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16915048)
As TLR used to say.....You can't win the division in April but you can sure lose it in April. We are experiencing that this year. If they don't get it turned around pretty quick the hole will be too big to dig out of.

This team lost the division in February when they decided that they had 'too many' starting pitchers.

Because John Mozeliak ****ing sucks at his job.

BigRedChief 04-25-2023 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16915072)
This team lost the division in February when they decided that they had 'too many' starting pitchers.

Because John Mozeliak ****ing sucks at his job.

Flaherty has looked better with each start. Montgomery has been stable. maybe Liberatore and trade for a #2 starter using some of of our outfield talent and we can compete and win a DLCS. Still going to need more to win a WS.


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