Where are all the people who were ADAMANT Taylor was the left tackle and there was NO CHANCE we would consider drafting a left tackle in the 1st round. The Franchise get your ass in here! Veach was hoping one of the tackles would fall in the draft. Taylor was, is and always has been the plan for RIGHT tackle.

Done. But it also only applies if Smith is healthy.

I’m already in here, ****. Let me know where it’s been announced that Smith is starting LT week 1? Oh it hasn’t been? Then ****ing blow me.

Did we draft a tackle in the first round? No? Second round? No? Kill yourself.

We have no idea what this means.

Kindly go **** yourself and then **** your bff UChieffy.

I’m riding with Veach. Giddyup!

There's some serious pants pooping in this thread over the signing of an offensive lineman, which we all (or most of us) agreed was a need.

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If the Chiefs always had Taylor penciled in at RT, and preferred to draft a LT, they would've made a move for Harrison.

I want someone to love me the way Veach loves improving the o line

Again, remember when everybody did this with Mike Remmers?

OMG he's terrible!

Then he turned out to be a really nice value signing.

KC’s 2023 PFF roster ranking: #1
Denver’s 2023 PFF roster ranking: #28

Bold strategy, General Paton.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

Or Blaine Gabbert?

At a point you can't just presume nothing will work.

But again, I'm fine with this. And would've been fine staying pat. And I'm a guy that was hoping for a 1st round RT.

The guy is starting at LT this year and Taylor is staying at RT. Pretty much that simple. They’ll get Taylor some reps an LT in practice and if he looks good enough they’ll move him over next year and let Morris take over RT. You’re not signing a tackle with this kind of experience at LT to be a backup so you can play a guy who’s never played LT, and then start a guy like Niang at RT.

You start the 2 best tackles on the roster, and that’s Smith and Taylor. LT vs RT is pretty insignificant at this point, and you’re not going to play two guys on the opposites sides of where they’ve played and thrived their whole careers. That makes zero sense whatsoever. Stop looking at the money, it doesn’t matter at this point. You have 2 starting tackles making a total of $29 million (at most) which is doable. You can slowly transition Taylor and plug him in at LT next year if he shows enough. This gives you more time to figure that out.

I absolutely love this move, and I applaud Veach for covering his ass with Taylor, and then clearly seeing another opportunity to give Patrick even more protection and taking advantage of it. I feel so much better with a combo of Smith/Taylor than I would have with Taylor/Niang, and I don’t know how anyone could disagree. The tackle spots have been drastically upgraded. I cannot believe people are complaining about this. It makes us a better team without question. If Smith returns to his 2021 form, you possibly have the best offensive line in the league, and you also have a ton of depth. Just awesome. Veach truly never, ever stops.

I mean, salary cap does roll over year to year. It's never wise to just throw it into the void, and that's potentially what you've done here with this bum. May have to start simply based on another dude not being able to play and sucks at his job while meeting his incentives.

They tried. Veach said no one in that 24,25,26, 27 territory was interested in trading. The calls were made.

It's not meant to be a point, but more to highlight your OMG the sky is falling because of this signing! Mahomes will run for his life because a guy who is not even the starting LT will get him killed as if Mahomes was unfamiliar with that. He would be at worst another Brown Jr if he ends up at LT.

And yeah, absolutely nothing suggests to me he'll come here and magically be improved over 2022. Stepping into a new system that is notoriously hard on the OTs in particular after blocking for a QB who's game was based on making reads and firing quickly.

Or you know he gets forced to start due to injury and he returns to his previous form and therefore turns out to be a very valuable depth signing.

But continue to be a negative **** because the Chiefs got better and more experienced at T.

Agree. Its also not so hard playing tackle for Brady. Stands in the pocket and gets it out quick.

Again, in the worst year by FAR he was a solid pass blocker.

You're not paying attention to anything anyone says right now.

Taylor has played his ENTIRE career at right tackle

Smith has played his ENTIRE career at left tackle

Taylor and Smith are clearly going to be the two best tackles on our roster. Yeah though lets switch em up and not let either guy play at their natural position with YEARS of experience. ****ing MORON!

Donovan smith sucks

Hes not at all. He's just sticking his fingers in his ear like a child.

But they weren't as good as Wylie. That's the point. They could be a downgrade and don't let the SB cloud things, Wylie was bad all year. I personally would prefer we upgrade from Wylie, not downgrade.

He was a nice value signing until he had to start in the SB :p

I am. I just don't see why anything would change. He's moving to a system that is notoriously difficult on OTs and is undoubtedly harder than blocking for Brady and his constant dumpoffs.

Umm you need to get your memory checked because he was basically the Chiefs starting RT that year and turned out to be a blessing when Schwartz went down.

He could be Remmers or he could be Jah Reid I don't see what the big deal is he's maybe the starting right tackle or a backup LT with years of experience

Yup. Until the SB and he made the move to LT. That's why this signing could be pretty decent. If Taylor were to go down it would be nice to have a backup that has proven to be solid at LT to fill in.

In '17-'19 he was pass blocking for the dumbest, ball holdingest QB in the league and was just fine. With a HC who uses his OTs very much like Reid does.

There is just no reason to write him off out of the chute.

The entire OL fell apart. Still doesn't change the fact that he was a very valuable signing.

Yup, he's 29. I could see if he were old and fell off a cliff last year, but he's still young enough to get back on track after a bad year.

Yeah having to be perfect against speed rushers bc your 45 year statue of a QB isn’t what he was anymore is forcing you to play perfect. And even then he was solid in pass pro.

I’m sure Mahomes does nothing for his tackles to help them or make them look better. Nope not at all. We didn’t see any of that last year.

Good God dude take a cannabis chewie and calm the **** down.

Fact. You dont know that.
You said Wylie was one of the worst. Chiefs were 14-3. Im not a Wylie fan. Glad he played well in the playoffs.

These guys can be bad too. So they are worse than one of the worst? If you are suggesting they are that bad then they should not be on the roster.

20 million is left tackle money and preferable proven left tackle money.

So I like Veach. He is exceptional but not perfect. If he signed this guy Smith and is supported then the other guys he has on the roster should also be supported. Do you think KC keeps guys that are worse than the one of the worst? I dont.

He's a former 2nd rounder (so strong pedigree) who started as a rookie and for the first 7 years of an 8 year career was never anything less than a solid starting caliber LT.

And despite all that, and based on a deal we know NOTHING about, we have people wanting to lambast the signing by saying it's a given he'll suck and yet still trigger every guarantee.

Well - at least we know who this seasons whipping boy is gonna be. Fair or otherwise...

So downgrade LT and LG at the same time? Brilliant!

100%

Superturtle missed bitching about OBJ. That really might be all this is.

This dude is buns and I don’t like the optics of this on the surface with the high (possible) cap hit and uncertainty about if he will start and where..

But I trust Bratt Varnch, Reid, and Mahomes to get it right.

I think its a discussion on a discussion platform. Would be rather boring if everyone agreed. You can get that on the Coalition. Its more a cult. You get banned if you express a non cult opinion.

I remember barely but I know he played LT in the SB and well we know how that turned out.

In regards to Donovan as I have said as backup, this is fine and hope we don't have to use him as a the starting LT for any length of time.

I've been waking up in cold sweats wondering who I'm going to bitch about with Clark gone and with my expectations that Moore will be reasonably productive.

I feel ya, Superturtle. Sometimes it's hard being a miserable ****.

I’m still targeting CEH. Any snap that guy steals from Pacheco and McKinnon is a waste.

LMAO Was literally getting ready to post about that. It was genuinely funny to me that you were the one scolding me about that given your history with Clark.

ROFL

In an emergency you do what you have to do. Reid has stated he would use Thuney at LT. You should feel very fortunate to be so brilliant. LOL If your starter goes down anything you do is a downgrade.

"He sucks" isn't a discussion. You say he's going to suck because he sucked last year. I've responded (and others) with reasons why that may absolutely not be the case AND by pointing out that we know nothing about his deal. What we know is that we don't have the space to absorb $9 million in cap charges so these incentives are almost certainly going to have to be NLTBE. And if so, since he played 13 games last year, those are likely to be SB and/or AFCCG based.

And you have repeated that he sucked last year.

Okay.

That's not a discussion. That's just bitching and wailing.

Crazy that we haven't met them in the playoffs during that stretch to make it 0-3. Wonder why that is...

Oh thank God. Thank you! Yeah, that works.

And Nnadi.

Phew - crisis averted.

You realize that basically our entire OL was backups, and Remmers had to move to LT just for the SB, right?

If the Chiefs had Schwartz and the rest of the OL, Remmers would've been fine.

Again, it's not even debatable. He "sucked" then turned out to be a really good value signing.

Maybe Marpit retiring ****ed him. Maybe he just needs an absolute beast at LG to compensate for his shortcomings. We have one in Thuney. There. I was positive for a bit.

You're turning to the dark side man. But, reasonably productive is pretty subjective.

9 mil is not high for a guy who would likely have to be a starter to reach those incentives.

Correct, but I was only referring to Remmers in my point. I still believe and will continue to believe that Fisher's injury in the AFCCG after the game was all but decided cost KC to lose the SB. That was the final domino to fall and resulted in a complete reshift of the line that TB abused.

I do not think I have used the word sucks. You have the wrong guy. I am not bitching. Its an opinion. Bottom line is its not a very critical move. Cap space could be an issue.

Seems you are bitching about others opinions. Maybe its just a discussion.

Yeah, that OL took so many bullets and kept playing admirably. Remmers was a HUGE part of that.

Fisher was just the last straw. It was one more blow than they could take.

In a way it made what the staff (and the players) were able to accomplish that season all the more impressive.

LMAO

Yea, that's really going to be an issue! The Chiefs have no idea how this will impact their cap situation this year in ****ing May.

We upgraded both our left and right tackles this offseason. Way to go Brute Velmore.



To the aircraft carrier

Said it even last year when I was the Chief Moore Hater - I was completely comfortable letting JJSS walk because I thought Moore could replace him. Shit, my Sous Moore Hater - Detox - was right there with me. It was strange - the dudes that were said to hate Moore all last season were the guys yelling the loudest to start him this year.

Of course I remember and yes if Schwartz or Fisher would have played we would have been much better off. Remmers or Wylie at RT is fine as Pat can protect himself by seeing the rush. Don't want a turnstile at LT though and that was what Smith was last year along with committing the second most penalties in the NFL.

Once again as backup this is cool. no problem with it.

Whole lotta wrong in what you just posted. Unless a coach plays favorites then the backups inherently are going to be worse than the starter. If they weren't, they would be starting. So yes, you have some of them who are worse than Wylie, hence why he started and not them. To get rid of them is foolish because then you have no depth in case Wylie goes down.

Just because KC went 14-3 with him starting does not mean they should downgrade the position because of Mahomes' and Reid's ability to adjust. Regarding the bolded part, I have zero clue what you are talking about.

I trust KC has a plan and its not based on anything here. Nobody knows what is really going on at Arrowhead.

Reid and Veach have proven they get results. I trust that.

Maybe we should just post HAPPY THOUGHTS? That would be entertaining.

Well I saw some stuff posted in this thread suggesting that the organization views him as a starter. He is likely to hit those incentives if that’s true.

$9m could be high for this douche. He’s like a Wylie-level player and we had Wylie last year for only $2.5m.

Also, isn't the most likely scenario that this is 'Taylor can't make the switch to the left side' insurance?

Donovan Smith may be a decent backup, but he really regressed last year once Ali Marpet retired. I wouldn't have high expectations for him.

Prior to last season he was a Taylor Decker level player and he made $15 million.

The risk is priced in. And that's IF he hits all his incentives.

Probably

Except you don't double the problem by downgrading not one but two positions. If our LT goes down, you plug in a backup and adjust. You don't plug him in with your All Pro LG who would struggle there and then downgrade your LG as well leaving your whole left side compromised. Sure you could put him in to finish a game in the most dire circumstance (such as Reid finishing kicking duties week 1), but you don't go into a week with that plan.

Seems like alot of money to give to Taylor if you have doubts he can work at LT though

Yeah, it is.

But you also have an injury prone RT or a rookie. There are a LOT of question marks at OT and any one of them going south could give you a real problem.

So...an incentive laden contract for a high pedigree younger veteran with a history of strong performance is hardly a poor decision.

And hell, Taylor could be slow to transition to LT this season, be ready to do so next season and still prove to be a reasonable signing at LT long-term.

I haven't seen a single person express "high expectations"

Good points!

If only he was able to sign with an organization known for reviving careers. That would be a great decision by him.

You’d consider Smith an upgrade over Brown at LT?

Something I wasn’t thinking about earlier. He was basically Rashaad Fenton, but at a more premium position.

By that I mean:

He doesn’t “suck” because he allows a ton of pressures and sacks.

He “sucks” because he got a lot of penalties.

Fenton didn’t suck because he allowed catches/yards/TD’s. He sucked because he got a lot of penalties.

When viewing this from the lens of: “My primary goal is to eliminate injury risk for Patrick,” then Veach definitely got better in that department today.

I still think KC paid a premium for Taylor because of the LT market and the high likelihood that they would not get high enough for a LT or have one fall to them (which ended up not happening). Imagine had their plan to pay Smith and have him all but be guaranteed the starting LT out of necessity.

ok! I like it, another lineman just in case things aren't looking too good at RT with Taylor at LT. Maybe this guy gets LT and Taylor stays at RT if he's looking good and Niang and a rookie aren't.

It's moves like this (and the subsequent reactions to them) that guarantee the Chargers to be offseason champs every single year.

Maybe Niang is still hurting a bit and not be ready?

Always like to see the team get more protection for PMII.