Have you watched Riley Leonard?

I have not.

Lol is this guy really brown nosing a small system qb who is carried by his coach and teammates? OK :evil:

Maybe Texas A&M Johnny Manziel is a better comparison?

No way. Manziel oddly came up in big moments while not giving a slight **** about football.

Maybe Kyler Murray

Not that Williams is done or anything after one bad game, but calling someone "the next Mahomes" is eventually going to take on the look of a Madden curse

I missed the game and just went and found the 12 minute highlight version. Here you go, for anyone who wants to check it out.



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If this was the year we had the 1st pick, we'd all be dancing in the streets at the possibilities. Instead of taking a LT.

Every "new" QB that has some talent to play in the NFL seems to get that "he is like Mahomes" label. We all know different. There is only one Mahomes.

Maybe he wants to be picked 10th too. Not unreasonable under the circumstances

Exactly. He's 6' max. Im 6' 1" and I recently met him at an American Cancer Society event. Surprisingly, I was looking down at him when we spoke and shook hands. The guy is not small, he's actually ptetty stout. But he's not 6' 1". He was very gracious and humble. Did a LOT for the event, and spent a great deal of time with the kids who had cancer. Seems like a really good dude.

How it started with Reeruned Caleb Williams fan boys…

And how it’s going…

Link: https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl.../536769/?amp=1

Mahomes is a lot more than a physically talented guy. He’s a great leader for his teammates. He takes the blame even when it might not be entirely his fault. He has the humility to work hard on improving his flaws over time.

I see Kyler Murray’s negative personality traits in Caleb Williams. Time will tell if he can live up to the hype.

If you're comparing yourself to Mahomes, you're no Mahomes. Part of what makes him great is his humility.

That's what I love about Stroud. You can see the genuine humility and gratitude for what he's been gifted. Hoping he can ascend to number 2.

Yep… Stroud has humility despite being a way more accomplished QB in college than massive underachieving loser Caleb Willams was.

In any game that Caleb played in when the opposing team had equal or better talent he choked.

lol he looks like Kyler Murray there... he really is shorter than i thought.

Very tough to succeed in the NFL as a short QB. Even Mahomes has to move around the pocket to find throwing angles more than a 6"4 to 6"5 QB.

Williams doesn't have to be Mahomes to be worthy of the #1 pick but I have my doubts that he is ever a legit top 10 QB.

If he was 6"3 with that same arm and feet, I'd like his chances a lot more.

I do not envy the decision Poles’ is going to have to make. The size, the ego, and even the helicopter dad…

I still probably take Caleb. But I’d be scared shitless. I’m at least taking phone calls

I just don’t see him being humble enough to take the coaching when things aren’t going his way. Not a lot of guys are like Pat, where they can just change their entire play style over the course of a season to help the team win

He's a great QB

Ryan Leaf 2.0

I don’t know much about Williams, but I think he will fail to live up to the hype and has more drama than I would care to have on a team.

Hey, another thread where 88's super triggered over something.... that's only like 6 this week.

With everything that's coming out about him, I wouldn't be surprised if he busts

Mahomes has ridiculous instincts to go with his talent. So no.

You’re such a clown.

You said he’d be like Mark Sanchez. I said he’d be voted to a Pro Bowl in his first three years - not as an alternate. (I never once said he’d be anything like Mahomes.)

I offered you a bet on this. Money bet of any size. Ban bet here for a year. Your choice. You slinked away from it. The rest of his season was forgettable, giving you better odds. I stuck to the offer and you were still afraid to take it.

Please bump more threads where you’re a complete coward. Nothing more impressive than having strong opinions on the internet that you’re afraid to back up with literally anything.

(Can’t wait for your short and sad reply that ends with some emoticon where you feel as if you’ve accomplished something or owned me. You might be the saddest poster here.)

Not a chance.

He's got a bad attitude. Leadership is crap. Bust.

Last year, I thought he was the next great QB. This year, not so much. Whatever his name -- the backup who started the bowl game -- his performance in that game has to give the Bears a bit of a pause.

Curious if you're still as high on Caleb?

I've cooled on him a bit, but still think he should go #1.

It would be hard to be. He regressed and didn’t perform as he had before. Whether that’s the line or the talent alongside him or the coaching or whatever, he clearly wasn’t as “generational.”

I still think he’s definitely going first because he does have a lot of that “it” factor that just makes plays. But yeah, it’s not quite what it was when this thread began.

I still would’ve easily taken him ahead of the QBs in the last couple
drafts (and yes, it would’ve been a potential mistake given Stroud’s performance, but you won’t find anyone rating him ahead of Caleb).

And yet you didn’t.

You proclaimed that he would be “1B”, right behind Mahomes in the pantheon of top QB’s.

There is a big difference between the likes of Joe Burrow/Josh Allen… and Tyler Huntley (i.e. a QB who made the Pro Bowl during the first three seasons of his career).

The fact you moved the goal posts confirms that you are a gutless fraud. LMAO

I've never once heard Mahomes talk about Brady and say "I can do what Tom did", even with all the hype with him chasing Brady's post season records. He's always spoken with near reverence in regard to Brady, and never given a backhanded compliment like "he's really cool, though". Mahomes never acted that cocky before getting drafted.

Williams is young, so maybe he'll figure it out with the right coaches and environment. But he's got a way to go.

I'm old enough to remember when whoever the flavor-of-the-week college QB was was going to be the next Montana. That never happened, either.

It was especially funny when Notre Dame fans automatically assumed that whoever their starter was would be the next Montana. They pretty much stopped saying that after Rick Mirer. LMAO

Nope. Also man up you think you're pat then prove it go to Chicago. Try to win there unless you're scurr.

Ah, yes. Classic post by a classic loser. We've already established that Tyler Huntley was a 5th alternate who made the Pro Bowl. I don't know how many times I can post how clearly that's not the bet we're making. And how many times you either ignore it because you lack the mental competence or just do out of convenience.

You are a complete coward. He makes it voted in. Top 3 QB voted in one of his first years as a non-alternate. I have posted this over and over and over again. Tyler Huntley doesn't count.

Do, you, understand?

You're probably the most pathetic person on this entire message board. Please respond with more emoticons showing your insecurity.

Ron Powlus was supposed to win multiple Heisman’s according to Beano Cook.

Some of you over thinking this as a prospect hes fantastic has enough mobility and can make every throw. As "bad" as he was at times this year he only threw 5 picks. Yes he was horrible against Notre Dame. How about a really good Washington team? Riley and his love for Alex Grinch was the albatross

No.

Based on physical skills alone, he’s probably in the Pat n Josh group.

In the leadership group, I think he’s going to rub a lot of vets the wrong way if he doesn’t win while adding a little humble to his vibe.

In terms of physical stature, he’s in the “young Russ” category and I do think it will limit sone of the things he’s been effective at in college, but won’t fly in the nfl. The OL are all monsters at this level and he probably measures in right a 6’. I can see a lot of his throws getting batted/tipped at the line.

At the moment I think CJ Stroud is the younger guy to really watch. He is just 1 month older than Caleb Williams, but Stroud already has a great rookie season in the NFL under his belt. Bright, bright future for the Houston Texans with Stroud.

Has anyone said No yet?

**** no he's not the next Mahomes. Period. Period. Period.

The guy could end up being Jeff George.

So I bet Whitlock loves him.

Washington’s defense was mediocre.

LMAO

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**** that. The Raiders are fine just the way they are.

No way the NFL is going to allow Caleb to choose his team. If that happens, more will follow. Then you'd have an unbalanced league. Plus, the NFL doesn't need Caleb. the NFL has plenty of young QB's that the public are interested in seeing.

The NFL has gotten so huge and powerful that even an Elway level player in
2024 is not going to be allowed to chose a team. It would be bad for the shield.

Raiders and him want each other, trade up and pay the price.

Well sure.

The Bears are where QBs go to die.

CJ Stroud is a prototypical pocket passer. Not a lot of Mahomes in his game. His comp is Justin Herbert, and like Herbert he had a monster rookie season but if he loses that coordinator he could have some of the same struggles Herbert went through.

No one is the next Mahomes

I refuse to believe the kid is wanting to go to Mahomes division where Herbert, Harbaugh, and Payton also reside.

That would be so dumb.

Kliff Kingsbury to the Raiders. I think they'll try to trade the farm for him. Ultimately I think Caleb will cry and go to DC

Don't the Raiders pick at #13? If he's going #1, trading up will cost them a ton. I looked up a draft chart and it says #13 is 1150 points while #1 is 3000 points. Sounds like a deal that Kevin Costner would negotiate. It would be easier to trade up from #32 to #13 than from #13 to #1.

Williams puts out such a douche vibe.

LMAO

There can only be one.

Not that I agree, but DC does make sense as he is from there.

I have a feeling that Caleb is going to end up being a major bust in the NFL. Too mentally weak.

Zero chance the Bears trade that far back. At the very least, they will get Marvin Harrison Jr. or one of the other QBs.

Dude is from DC so I get that.

Painting his nails “F Utah”, only to have Utah curb stomp him, refusing to speak to the media this year, comparing himself to Mahomes, and now potentially demanding Chicago to not draft him.

Kid is a loser.

Brees, Russell Wilson, and to a certain extent, Kyler. That's basically it in the modern era.

I've been talking about his lack of height in all the threads devoted to him. I'm just not seeing what all the hype is about. Sure he can rack up stats against mediocre teams and make some off-platform throws - but being compared to Mahomes? Not seeing that at all.

Is Caleb Williams the next Patrick Mahomes?
 

Jesus. Just look at this fruit. I’m rooting so hard for his failure

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Coming out the closet to force the Bears to trade is bold.

For his whole career, there will always be the next Mahomes coming.

Caleb Williams is Patrick Mahomes without that dawg in him.

Will have some awesome Mahomesian highlights, but with inexplicable 4th quarter collapses that always manage to be someone else’s fault.

Drake Maye is better than him

Yes. Caleb Williams is the next Mahomes.

Jackson Mahomes, that is.

Actually he's not, Lance Zuerlein was talking about how a lot of scouts do not like Maye and it's very possible he's this years Levis, dropping like a rock.

LMAO

Nobody likes the idea of their qb legitimately chugging cock.

No, my first name ain't baby
It's Caleb, Miss Jackson if you're nasty

Oh brother. Yes a QB who looks just like Herbert as a prospect is gonna fall. This is typical garbage talk. Just like how people are saying Caleb Williams isn't anything special

Being bi is nowhere close to being the reason people don't like Jackson

Well, the normal people

Sam Howell 2.0.

Pocket passing is still very important and that is part of the reason I would bet against Caleb Williams being a great NFL QB. If he is trying to play hero ball on a weekly basis in the NFL, he will have a tough time even being an average starter in the NFL.

He could be a literal clone of Patrick Mahomes and he isn't going to be the next Mahomes in terms of stats/winning in over 99% likelihood if he is drafted by the Chicago Bears.

I doubt the guy is as good as Mahomes since height for an NFL QB actually matters but even if he was a clone, what are the chances he gets to start off his career with players comparable to Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Watkins, a good offensive line and Andy Reid? Are the 49ers going to trade up again to the top 1-3? Obviously, not.

Williams probably gets drafted by the Chicago Bears. That team is going to depress his numbers a bit.

If Jackson Mahomes were good at football, he would be Caleb Williams

Lazy comparison.

fyp

If you want your franchise QB to wear a dress and paint “his”nails… Caleb is your “man”.

Gayleb Williams

Bust. He won't be the best QB of his draft.

He's a soft bitch