My eyes tell me Herm Edwards would be an upgrade!

I just wish mahomes would drop back and throw the ball. Every play he sees ghosts

I would really like to know how things fell apart so quickly and drastically.

I get we have no WRs, but we really didn’t last year either.

Unless Aliens come down from space and jump into the players bodies, I don't see how this happens. Everything we have witnessed over the season says different.

Mahomes could throw a perfect pass for a TD and then it will be dropped or an offensive holding or offensive pass interference.

We can have a stop on 3rd and 17 after a Chris Jones sack only to see a DPI give the other team a first down.

It could be 1st and goal and Andy will not call one play pass into the end zone or do some stupid razzle dazzle that fails miserably.

Our punt returner could have a 55 yard return and then fumble when tackled losing possession.

This has been the body of evidence across the entire season.

Don't expect a Ford to suddenly turn into a Ferrari.

Just have to wait for the Chiefs Editorial Board postmortem

Fatigue.

I have hated all the curses we got this year...Denver win streak ends, Raiders win streak ends, Mahomes never loses two in a row, Mahomes never loses in December, Andy's stellar record after bye weeks...Mahomes has no problem being down double digits...all the shit we used to be able to depend on sorta blew up in our faces this season.

The why is a little more complicated, but basically as has been noted, our WR corps is not good at all. There is a small bright spot in our 2nd round rookie, and I think we can look forward to good things from him. Our O-Line has been largely ass and getting worse as the season goes on. Patrick is pushing a lot and is OBVIOUSLY frustrated, which is new to see.

It feels like the team has had an implosion. So much success over such a short period of time, they've played more games in the last 5 years than any team in the NFL. Sooner or later, this was going to happen.

I HOPE we can win out. I think we can at least win 1 more, and I hope it's next week. The home crowd has paid a lot of goddam money to watch this team lose half our ****ing games at home this year. They deserve to go out winners next week and see their beloved Chiefs lock up the division for the 8th year in a row.

Then whatever happens in the playoffs happens. I'm actually almost ready for the season to end, but I'll always don my Jersey and root like hell for my Chiefs. I'm OK with things, it is what it is. They will have some serious work to do in the offseason.

:clap: Exactly how I see it and the endless ****ing TV commercials should end.

It’s because last year was a perfect confluence of Mahomes going God mode, a still healthy Kelce, and the WR room that played wayyyyy over their skis.

It wasn’t the mean…this is.

Fly a Save Our Chiefs banner over Arrowhead?




:bolt:

Oh I get what you are saying. Trust me. This shit has been hard to watch. But I still believe we have the best QB I have ever seen in my lifetime. We have a chance.

This. There is no other team who has won as much and played as many games as the Chiefs. That's gonna wear on you...

doesn't want to throw more interceptions than josh allen

I hear ya, but he cant do it alone. Nobody with this group could. Things are wearing on him.

One thing about today was just how awful the Raiders were today, right alongside the Chiefs.... the game really could have been (uh, should have been?) 7-6 in the 4th quarter.

And then watching MNF, the one game I really wanted to watch this weekend.... and Purdy now has 4 picks and it's not much of a game.

The Chiefs are rough..... but, damn the rest of the league is right now, too.

I'm ready for the season to get to the CGs and SB, and even those might be just as terrible as the rest of these big games have been.

My eyes and heart tell me the same thing.

This team is tired and they’re not hungry right now. There is obviously some lack of trust and plenty of blame to go around. Mahomes doesn’t look confident or good. He makes bad throws routinely and obviously has no trust in the dogs hit receivers.

That said, the line isn’t blocking well, Kelce has been distracted and must be hurt or something….hes dropping balls and playing like his head is up his ass.

The tantrums from 15 and 87 aren’t helping at all

In short, this team looks like it would like a longer offseason this year and I’d say they are likely to get it.

1985 49ers

It will be OK

The good news, we have basically beaten ourselves every game outside of maybe Denver when Mahomes had the flu.

The bad news, there doesn't seem to be any sign that we won't continue beating ourselves.

Yup. This happened to the Patriots too in 2005. Had just won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years and then finished 10-6 and got bounced in Denver in the divisional round.

id bet real money that there is some kind of conflict in the locker room. And or beefs with coaches.

Another issue is 34 year old TE’s usually suck. Time catches up to us all. No other threat so they gang up on Kelce.

If this team could somehow clean up the mistakes, then they have a fighter's chance. That, however, doesn't seem to be possible which is why I've pretty much written them off as any sort of contender this season.

It seems as though in every play we run offensively there is some sort of breakdown. One play the WRs don't get open. The next is the O-line whiffs. The next Pat is so flustered by the first two outcomes that he's not reading the field and seeing ghosts. And if all those things disappear, there's a penalty or turnover. It's abysmal in every possible way. I don't know that there is any clear solution outside of hitting the reset button. Veach needs to focus on making Pat comfortable again. Let the chips defensively fall where they may and live with the outcome.

Yeah basically. Maybe we go through a freak phase during the playoffs where turnovers go our way and we end up +2 or 3 turnovers every game and just get real lucky but that's about it.

To answer the question in the OP the offense is underachieving for a variety of reasons but I don't see them turning it around. The biggest issue is the turnovers but they can't fix that without fixing what's causing the underachieving.

OP good post and hard to argue with any of it. The entire year has been off.

This team just doesn't have the fire this year. Mahomes has taken a step back, every time the camera pans in on Kelce, he has a I don't give a shit look and some of these play calls are crazy. Add to that all the turnovers and drops and it's ugly. It's a shame to waste a defense this good, because the offense can't get its shit together. It's going to be an early exit in the playoffs and I excepted that weeks ago. It is what it is. Grab some decent WR's, tweak to OL and we will be back in business.

lol the infuriating thing is this team would have 1 loss if they could consistently score 23 points per game

It's the "no other threat" part that's the biggie. That, and Nagy is ass.

It's absurd how bad they can be and still be so close to winning pretty much every game... hell, this game should have been 7-6 at the end of 3 and even with two defensive touchdowns against, they still had a shot at the end.


Yep... and to my point above, the offense doesn't even need to be good, and that's the real shitty part. We talk about cleaning up all the shit, but FFS clean up a little and you're a top 5 team in the league, even if you're still leading the league in dropped passes and committing some offensive line penalties and so forth.

This is what happens when you’ve never sniffed a winning season, or playoff game as a fan.

That face mahomes made when he was yelling “goddamnit…” last week. That was the same face we saw all game long. Never seen that from mahomes since the days when he was dealing with being a new first time dad.

And that look on kelces face looks like pure exhaustion. In hindsight we should’ve known something was off when he was getting in fights with teammates in practice. Which pisses me off more that we saw that and decided we were still gonna run our offense around triple coverage in kelce

Who the **** eats pumpkin pie on Christmas?

This team is DONE ……..SORRY cause I
Love this FRANCHISE. At least this year anyway

Jack can always add another holiday

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Shit. I’m hammered. Never mind , carry on…

They definitely don't have that eye of the tiger. Other teams are hungrier and it shows.

Not going to happen.

Maybe quit making TV commercials and focus on discipline, health, and coaching. Maybe...

FYP

This seems like a good spot to leave my updated AFC power rankings!

1. Ravens 2. Dolphins 3. Bills 4. Browns 5. Chiefs 6. Texans. Enjoy!

I think if it was that simple the Detroit loss would have been enough to wake these guys up. It's more than that. There's something seriously wrong with this team.

Is Terry Bradshaw right when he said this is a tired football team? He said this also in reference to Philly. Maybe he's right. The lack of energy and the high amount of costly mental errors points to something of that nature. It's turning a dream season into a nightmare pretty quick..

I think we should count our blessings a little however. We're still in good shape to make the Playoffs and the team is pretty healthy. I say this while thinking how the Bengals season has gone. They took us down to the wire in the AFCCG.

Tired and everyone has been paid and is fat and happy.

It’s human nature to rest on your laurels a bit when you’re at the top.

The only guy on offense who plays with any intensity is Rashee and that’s because he hasn’t won anything personally in this league and hasn’t gotten paid yet.

Everyone else either has a fat contract and or a ring or two and is content this season.

It happens to every good team eventually.

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Pacheco and CEH are playing w passion. Pacheco had a really bad game today though.

I will say this our equipment guys have got to do a better job. Due to Pacheco's helmet coming off not once, but twice, he got a concussion. That can't happen.

I forgot to mention but it's crazy how bad some of Veach's offensive line signings have been. It really showed in this Raiders game. Our Oline got dominated.

The way this season started really set the tone. First game of the NFL season at Arrowhead. Super Bowl banner. Everyone is fired up. Kelce gets hurt that week in practice so he's out. Chris Jones is sitting in the stands with his dipshit agents looking stupid. And we lose because our WRs dropped everything thrown their direction. This season just isn't the one I'm afraid. If they somehow steer this ship in the right direction to get past the divisional round, I'd be downright shocked.

at least we're playing with house money now

zero expectations

i hope mahomes lets it fly

take crazy chances

No mention of Thiggy?

If Mahomes makes & wins the SB with this group, then it would be a GOAT performance that should be praised to further his legend from every news outlet and NFL fanbase

I think the thing that pisses most of us off is we wasted easily the BEST defense Mahomes has had by a wide margin and we beat ourselves the entire season.

I was dead wrong thinking our WR core was sufficient and we still had the fire.

It's still hard for me to believe what I am watching every week with Mahomes at QB. So sloppy and undisciplined. Even Andy Reid looks tired with his shitty play calling.

That would make him the GOAT without a doubt. :thumb:

The old avatar is back! This is how I always think of you, ol' GoChiefs.

Brenda Lee's posse in Rocking Around the Christmas Tree eats some pumpkin pie and does some caroling.

It goes beyond just the personnel issues at WR and offensive tackles now.

That first quarter… negative 18 yards of total offense… was one of the most pathetic quarters of offense in the NFL in like 10 years.

Something as basic as a WR not being able to line-up correctly.

Seems like several players have mentally checked out… only way to explain it.

The leaders of the team arent having fun. When prior team's winning they are having fun. 15 and 87 are not moving on to the next play. This team needs help mentally more than anything else.

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Winning is contagious, losing is contagious.

Right now, the losing mentality and frustrations have overtaken this team.

I'm not even sure Patrick believed what he was saying in yesterdays post game presser. He sounded like he was trying to convince himself.

It's easy to be a 'good' winner and a 'bad' loser. For something that has seemed so easy and natural for this team (success), the opposite now seems to be true. They are pressing and everything looks mechanical.

I've used this analogy before; I remember bowling leagues where our team could do no wrong. Bad shots didn't leave splits and questionable shots in the pocket always resulted in strikes. Everyone has happy, high fiving, laughing and having a great time. The next game comes up and things start to go wrong. No one is having any fun, people are getting upset because of missed shots and bad breaks. I know that professional football players aren't the same as you and I however we have all watched athletes at the highest levels of competition struggle, choke and fall apart.

Patrick's not 23 anymore and has a very full life. He's also suffered several concusions and joint injuries. He is a very talented athlete and I believe the expectations he has for himself and those around him are higher than what us fans can imagine.

After five seasons of amazing success, I'm disappointed in myself for not allowing this team to actually show signs of fatigue and burnout. It seems that we expect perfection and the players on the other team are highly skilled and proud people, too.

So the OP asks to trust my eyes, so what do my eye see??

QB; the cocksure gunslinger that was PMII has been replaced with an unsure, frustrated, and dare I say scared version of himself. Yesterday it looked like Mahomes was looking for the perfect window and was second guessing his natural instincts.
WR; this group is like a trashed storage locker from the old show "Storage Wars", filled with garbage that has one hidden item (Rice) worth something.

• MVS; enjoy playing for the Jets and A. Rodgers next year
• Moore; enjoy being the 4th option for the rest of your career
• Tooney; just go on IR for the season, you're more afraid of getting hurt than making a catch
• The remaining WR room; JAGs everyone of you

OL; dear God what an inconsistent bunch this is, one week great, the next hot garbage, big time swings and misses on the tackles. I've been watching Trey Smith since his days at Tennessee, the mauling monster is missing this season, either he's injured or the scheme has changed.
TE; Kelce looks like a shell of himself and never, ever looks happy. The remaining TEs, more JAGs
Defense; The only bright spot this season has been the defense. Good and great pieces that have kept this season from becoming a total dumpster fire.
Coaching; this season has gotten away from Reid. He's the big dog of these pups, it's on him to set the tone, set the expectations and chew serious ass for the rank amateurish nature of what the team looks like. This is Jimmy Raye levels of putrid offense. Clark needs to sit Reid down at the end of the season, hold him accountable for what we have seen and demand improvements and a plan for said improvements.

What I saw yesterday took me back to some of the off years under Marty. Offense could not get out of its own way while the defense did its job.

Frankly, it looks like the offense went from this....

To this...

All of this sounds accurate to me

Rodgers will never want MVS back, he hated his goddamn worthless guts for reasons that are now quite obvious.

Everything else; yep.

Justin Watson is playing better than Kelce, I don't think he's JAG.

So much this. I actually was kinda prepared for it last season, and holy shit they won the SB. I started thinking maybe they are just other worldly. They are not. It's fine. Perhaps crashing down to earth (which still might mean a division championship and yet another trip to the post season) is not only inevitable, but needed. After awhile, we fans just expect the wild success, and maybe the players do as well.

Guess what? They other guys have pride and get paid as well.

This team is so bad they can’t even execute the first three scripted plays.

As a biased observer... the first three scripted plays were... GARBAGE. Nothing that attacked the defense. It set the tone for the entire game, in my opinion. I've never played a violent competitive sport like football. The margins have to be very slim.

And... our OL get owned all game. The down four of the Raiders were in the backfield all game long. No running lanes and Mahomes was running for his life/health all day long.

Probably the most frustrating regular season I've ever seen. Yes, we've had much worse seasons but 16 PPG lately with Mahomes is just unreal

The most frustrating thing is that the defense is finally elite. All the offense needs to do is find a way to be average. That could be enough.

Winning the SB this season would not trump 2019. However, it would be the most satisfying SB. To overcome this type of adversity would be glorious.

It probably isn't happening this year. Which isn't the end of the world. It's just a shame that when we have our best D in years, the offense looks dreadful. Even an average offense could get this team to a SB.

Ultimately, my head says this team doesn't have it this year. They look frustrated more and more each week. They look exhausted and burntout. They've played so many games the past six years. That eventually wears on a team. I have never seen Mahomes, Reid, and Kelce this frustrated before.

I wouldn't be devastated if they got knocked out early. It would give the organization more time to get things right for 2023. Veach has to nail FA/Draft this offseason though. Whether it's getting Mike Evans or trading up for a great receiver in the draft.

Unfortunately, I agree. Like fans, he is hoping for the best. Trying to be an eternal optimist. But, his face tells a completely different story in these press conferences.

2017 was the last frustrating season for me. The hot start, including beating the Patriots in their house. Then, everything seemed to fall apart. Reid was adamant that Smith would not be pulled for Mahomes. That frustrated me. But I know they were protecting him and didn't want to risk hindering his development.

Thank you everyone for great takes in this thread. :thumb:

85% of Mahomes passing yards were after the catch

Dude you have a guy playing QB who will never be anything in the NFL and you just won for the first time in how long and this is what you post? Mahomes has already done things that nobody in the history of your awful franchise has ever done or will do. Go back to rolling dice with your homies in cell block and S TFU.

But not on Christmas day 2023 The day Jack Stole Christmas
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You’ll get swept for the next 6 consecutive years and Pierce will be fired in 2. Count on it. So revel in your anomalous victory because next year you’ll be back in the dank cellar where you belong.

Jack Stole Christmas

Stop spamming the board, penny slots.

Is it even possible to spam this cesspool?

He did. But only in your miserable fan existence does one meaningless regular season game carry so much weight :) Enjoy bro, you and the Broncos clowns should have a little party.

100% of Raiders wins mean nothing

Mahomes has more playoff wins than your entire franchise in the last 42 years

It guarantees road games for the Chiefs so it was not meaningless at all

The Ravens basically guaranteed that with their win last night… so the Raiders didn’t do shit (as usual).

Hahaha. That’s how pathetic your team is that you root for that. Good Lord. Can you guys bring Gannon and Chucky back so you can relive the last time the Raiders were respectable? You know, back when the internet was still new and we were worried about Y2K. LOL.

This feels like an overreaction to a bad game. We aren’t done. Think about this. The playoffs are gonna be very matchup dependent. For example, I like our chances against the ravens. They don’t have dominant edge rushers. Say what you want about the raiders but they have dominant edge rushers. Our tackles are our worst weakness. PM can overcome a lot but instant pressure is hard for any qb to overcome.. I don’t like our chances against the browns b/c they have stronger edge rushers. I also like how we matchup defensively against the ravens. Our DBs can cover their WRs. And we have speed at LB to help contain Lamar. Plus, we’ve had slumps before. Remember when defenses started having two high safeties and it took us a long time to adjust? I know this is much worse, a different universe of worse but with the right matchup and a little luck. We can definitely be in the mix. PM and Kelce are competitors and they will keep fighting to fix this. I’d rather the problem be on offense than defense because I have more faith that we can turn it around. I also get the fact that we could be one and done in the playoffs. I’m just thinking many are underestimating the likelihood that we can turn this around. We could possibly win it all if we get 24 points every game with this defense.. Yall really don’t believe that Andy and Pat can get us 24 points a game? Come on. Especially with the right matchup? Please. Yall gotta be kidding me.

I like your participation and opinion, not a fan of your spamming.

Chill the **** out.