Watch for Josh Jones and Andrus Peat. Jones is a very athletic LT that is only 27.

Chiefs were flirting with Peat a couple years ago and he’s played well at LT recently. Just turned 30.

So...for all the supposition going on...

What if we DO pay CJ his money and he ends up like Aaron Donald and his skills start to decline starting next year?

We would be paying big bank for a lesser version?

This. It makes no sense to not have at least one of them here long term. Even if a team was offering a first, if we lose CJ, we have to keep Sneed long term.

Other than 2022 when Aaron was injured he's been great since that deal. Him and Jones were 1 and 2 in pass rush wins last year. And he was high up there in 2022 before the injury issues.

I don't see Jones declining significantly in the next 3 years which will be where the majority of his contract guarantees will be

What’s interesting about Sneed is how the Chiefs have handled him. Never once said they want him back. Even before the tag was applied all the news was that they are facilitating a trade for him. Letting him talk to other teams.

Sounds like they don’t want to keep Sneed either way

Step back? No evidence of that for us. Without Hill the offense led the league in every category and was better.

Peat maybe

If we aren't gonna draft the LT of the future, I'd just assume run back last year's plan of signing an old vet who still allows Wanya a shot to develop into 2025

And if they don't, my thought is that knee is a real concern of theirs because his play warranted an extension all day long.

Andy publicly stated he wanted both Jones and Sneed to come back.

If that's the case it has to be because of his knee which will limit what kind of return we can expect from a trade and keeps the pressure on the Chiefs to get Jones back.

I don't worry about Chris not playing up to a level that equates good ROI

The worry for me will be does that big body start to break down on us

It's not outlandish to think the odds are in the 30-40% range

That's where I'm at. Jones may think he can get a huge offer from someone and Veach will match it but I believe Veach knows exactly what he's willing to pay Jones and that offer will be on the table before Monday. If Jones doesn't sign he's gone.

Ugh why the hell has this piece of shit not signed the papers yet?!

He just doesn't want to be the bad guy among the fans, it's the same shit as last year.

You wanna max out your money, everyone is ok with it. Just don't throw it on the Chiefs and expect us to think they're the bad guy here.

If someone throws him $32-34m to pry him from the Chiefs, I ain't gonna blame anyone for the situation

We all have choices to make in life and you live with them for better or worse

Yes, and the Chiefs will put the word out that negotiations have ended driving down his market. That's was the case with Orlando Brown Jr.

In the end I just think Aaron Donald wrecked the DT market and Jones is playing with fire. He doesn't want to play for another team and the Chiefs could pivot and keep Sneed. That secondary is lethal with Sneed in there.

Some on Chiefs twitter will try to stay BV pinched pennies if Chris walks, but you have to draw a hard line somewhere

If you meet his demands, pay $32m, and he starts pulling muscles and tearing tendons more regularly... it's the type of deal that sinks the boat for a year or two

Still a risk even at $28-30m but at some level the risk isn't worth it anymore and you maintain the precedent that players aren't gonna bend the Chiefs over, ever

No

If I’m the Texans I give him $32 million without hesitation. They aren’t paying any of their star players but Tunsil next few years and are entering win now.

Not only are you putting Chris next to Will Anderson, you’re taking him away from your biggest competition

Wilkins is the type Veach and Spags would love

Smart, durable, productive

It's not gonna surprise me at all if he's the pivot given the rest of the FA market

They absolutely should. This is when the rookie contract advantage shows.

Breathtaking analysis, Florio…

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIKELLwX...jpg&name=large

Twitter PSA:

If the poster doesn't know how to spell his own name, chances are it's an imposter.

If Jones was going to sign here it would have happened already.

Did I miss where all the negativity suddenly came from? Just because he hasn't signed or announced anything yet?

:firsttimegif:

For me personally I'm just bracing for it, coping perhaps you could say.

I think today is a massive day regarding his status.

1. A report from a bullshit Twitter handle.

2. Nate Taylor expressing some pessimism.

The problem is he’s GONE and the dynasty is OVER!!!! Aggggggghhhhh!

I saw the Nate Taylor shit. I must have missed the twitter bullshit. Oh well.

3. Carrington Harrison calling Dianna Russini on her reports bc she said the same shit last year around the deadline for Chris and also with Sneed. His point is more than fair bc everyone can agree that if Sneed could go for a 1st it would have already been done

I've been bracing for it since after the Super Bowl. Even if we lose Jones and Sneed both....we'll be fine.

Ummm....people need to realize the difference between could and will. She said could....not will.

Every “insider scoop” Russini reports on has the “maybe”, “possibly”, qualifiers.

She never reports anything with authority.

On the athletic pod she absolutely said “a first for sure” in regards to Sneed

I'm just glad someone gleaned anything from Nate Taylor talking because I don't have the patience for that ****ing show anymore, just constant nonsense and talking about stuff that has nothing to do with the team

Feel like I get more reeruned listening to it

Maybe.

But if dealing Sneed is contingent on getting Jones extended, maybe not. I just don't see them moving Sneed unless/until they get the Jones deal done. And if it doesn't, they'll use the Jaylon Jones contract as a template and get Sneed extended, IMO.

I haven't listened since they moved over to KCSN. I get what I want from subscribing to Seth and reading his articles. And I don't mind Josh Briscoe. They just don't have shit for draft coverage and I'm not paying to listen to the KCSN guys.

The funny thing is the only reason I try to listen is its timing. Coming out live at around 4pm usually tees them up to talk about fresh, interesting news. Nate should be able to provide valuable intel this time of year.

But there's just so much bullshit that pops up along the adventure and I regret trying every time.

I am not so sure. I think they want him back, but because of the tag they still hold a lot of cards. They know realistically one is gone. Sneed’s more valuable in a trade. Jones is an URFA and they rightly have focused their energies on him. KC also wanted to do right by Sneed and let him negotiate with other teams. If Jones leaving wasn’t imminent then I think they would put more effort into retaining Sneed.

I think this is right.

I would have a really hard time passing on a first round pick for Sneed regardless of what happens with Jones though.

Assuming there was any validity to that rumor.

Am I the only one that doesn't give a shit about future years and the cap? This team has a great chance to do something no other team has done so go for broke. **** it.

I also feel like they can structure the first couple of years to have low cap numbers but have to pay out in cash. So wondering if Clark doesn't really want to do that.

Yes. The cap experts on here are stupid

Thank god we have a GM that understands the cap and doesn't just blindly throw money at individual players. Were we saying damn the cap 2 years ago when we traded Tyreek Hill?

As Nick Wright said the other day.... every guaranteed dollar put toward a contract eventually shows up on your cap

You can delay it and shrink your room for error in future years if you want, but that's all you're doing. Shrinking that target.

If Chris leaves would you bring back Sneed or roll with 2 first rd picks and money to spend next week?

If we're getting a 1st round pick back? Let both go.

Anything less than that and I'm keeping Sneed.

I agree but my point is make the best decision football wise for this year to do something historical regardless of future cap issues. Yes there a downsides in the future but we have a chance to do something historical and never been done before. Who cares about the cap in 2-3 years go for it now and completely sell out.

I'm sure you're not alone, but I'm not with you. I hope the Jones deal is feasible, but if it's not, it's not. I'd love to threepeat, but breaking the bank and screwing the cap long term doesn't ensure that it happens. The only thing it ensures is the road will be that much more difficult in 2025 and beyond. The Chiefs won 3 Super Bowls by reloading through the draft and being pretty wise regarding free agency. Want them to keep doing what they're doing, even if my heart hopes that the wise move involves Chris Jones staying here.

With Mahomes these past six years where I think BV has tried to take a balanced approach and never go "all in", the history says we've had a 50% chance to win the Super Bowl. 3/6 so far.

If you wanna be conservative and say the more balanced approach has made our chances 40-45%, cool.

Keep doing what you've been doing to stay flexible year-to-year and he's probably gonna win you at least five, and it's not like seven would surprise anyone.

When he actually sat out the Detroit game, I thought it was unlikely, not impossible, but unlikely he was signing long term.

They have a chance to do something historical even without Jones and Sneed. Not like they had a cakewalk last season with those two players.

Just posted by Joel Corry. We are not paying this

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/a...ing-contracts/

Any other year I would agree with you. But a 3-peat is historic and we will never be in this position again, not in our lifetimes. So the question is what is that worth to you or more importantly to the team.

Anyway I didn't mean to hijack this thread so I will stop talking about it. Hopefully they can get CJ signed before Monday and get Sneed back.

I think that's where I am.

Should my asking price for Sneed depends on Jones? No. Would it? Probably.

It's theory vs reality at work, IMO.

It would be nice to win 3 SBs in a row but if the cost is sacrificing multiple other SB victories just for one-year then it's not the way to go. You have no idea who will get injuried next season as well.

Best to think long term, especially in a physical sport like football, even if there is a lot of sentiment involved w being the first team to 3-peat. Patriots didn't take that approach and they ended up winning 6.

Yep.

Do we want 3? Or 8?

Agreed. Jones is probably gone. Would be pretty wild if Sneed is gone too.

Will our defense suffer without Jones and Sneed? Absolutely. Do I think they can fill those holes and still be able to win? Of course.

Oh well. Kind of figured he'd at least test FA, and therefore be gone when we tagged Sneed.

You're not wrong, but take CJ off those teams and do we have 3/6?

He helped us win those, yes. It doesn’t mean that we can’t win moving forward without him.

For sure.

There's a chance CJ of the past few years is gone.

But we're kinda kidding ourselves if we think they'll just plug and play someone there and it will work out like Jones.

The Tyreek thing worked great that first year, when Pat played like Superman. Then we hit this year and.....well we all saw what happened to the offense.

I've got no problem moving on from Jones, hell, I probably would have just traded him last offseason had I known this was the way this plays out.

Depends on what you do with the money you spent on Jones.

These types of questions typically ignore that we’d have someone else if we didn’t have Jones. Entire drafts would be different.

We wouldn’t just not have Jones with everything else being the same.

I wouldn't take the money and go spend it just because. There's a reason these guys are FA's.

Pay some of your own bills with it, maybe add a few and keep drafting.

In fantasy land, would you take 2 more titles over the next 10 years or one next year?

Start getting quality rushers to surround Karlaftis. They prepared already with FAU.

I’d draft some early like Darius Robinson/Brandon Dorlus to rush inside and sign a vet. Maybe Sheldon Rankins.

If you don’t have that major player taking up attention the next best thing is getting a myriad of solid rushing options who are capable of winning 1v1 at a decent rate.

I don’t think very many people are thinking we’ll just replace Jones that easy. Like we did with Tyreek…this defense will have to evolve.

2 more for sure.

Id take 2. I mean the feeling I get when Chiefs win a SB is always the same. I don't view one SB any better than another. So why wouldn't I take 2 over 1?

But that's just me.

The 3-peat. Never done before and would put us in rarefied air.

Without Chris the past six years, no we do not win three rings.

But I'm not sure the same will hold true the next three to four years, whether they win it or not.

For the window of the next six years, you hope to be saying, "we couldn't have won those next three SBs without McDuffie, Rice, Karlaftis," etc.

Chris can't be that dude forever, and it's almost a certainty that he's past his prime. So even if you can't find another player of his caliber, maybe you can spread the resources in a way that gets the same overall value out of 2-4 players.

I'll take the Three Peat.

And then another 2 titles back to back in Mahomes age 39 and age 40 seasons. And then at least one more in his early 40's, while he's smashing all of Brady's passing records to smithereens. :D

(In all fairness, you said over the next 10 years)

2 more over the next 10 years?!?! More like 4 or 5 more imo. :rockon:

That’s where I am at. A three peat would be historical, but retaining Jones/Sneed does not guarantee that. I just wouldn’t gamble potential future SBs for one chance at a three peat. This GM drafts well and there is still a ton of talent here and this team has one of the best coaching staffs in the league. They will compete every year if they are smart.

You can’t just replace Jones. He’s elite and a HOF player. The best KC can do is what they did when they traded Hill (although slightly different). They can’t replace that HOF talent, but they can minimize the loss.

How much of a decline are you guys expecting in performance that re-signing Jones takes us from winning "8" things to having to resign ourselves to a threepeat? Hell even given a decline how the hell does a 4 year contract damage the chiefs to the point even after the 3 guaranteed years are over, they still can't run the Superbowl?

Is there any actual news?

Or just weird tweets from Jones and speculation from insiders?

Seems like a lot of nothing, which I wouldn’t think is good news for re-signing him.

https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1...669375734?s=20

Rap thinks they're close...nothing imminent.

Veach is trying really hard to make this work

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