Yesterday Nate Taylor said " he was what they(Chiefs) thought he was" concerning Wylie

Throw in LRZ and possibly Remigio, and we could have an offense with a ton of new contributors.

Nate Taylor, Matt Derrick and Nick Jacobs all had glowing reports of this kid watching him at OTA’s. Travis Kelce talked him up big time on the heights pod. I can’t remember Kelce ever being this complimentary of any TE since he’s been here.

FWIW Nick Jacobs has Wiley ahead of Gray on his depth chart prediction. That’s how impressed he was watching him at OTA’s

Man, you thought it was tough defending Travis Kelce? How the hell are defenses going to defend TWO Travis Kelces?

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More and more teammates gushing over this guy. Telling you guys I have a great feeling about this kid. Im higher on him than Worthy. Nick Bolton sure likes the kid.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/06/...interview-2024

I'm so ****ing excited for this season, especially with all the weapons we've added on offense. We're going to be borderline impossible to stop.

People are upset that the Bills let us get Worthy, but the entire league is going to be far more furious that they let us get Wiley in the 4th round.

I agree with this.

They look at Kelce and get a glimmer of hope that he will retire soon or at least slow down a bit, if the Chiefs find a replacement in the 4th round AND have Kelce around to mentor the kid - it sucks the hope out of our opponents.

Super stoked about this guy! Since I’m too lazy to do some research, can anyone give me a quick breakdown of why he didn’t get drafted earlier? He seems to have everything you’d want in a TE.

LOL. Two Bills Drive thinks it has the next Travis Kelce. Can’t wait to read that board once it dawns on them that we drafted the next Kelce in the 4th round.

That place really hates us. Right now there is a thread over there with a poll called “if all things were equal” where over 60% have Allen as the better quarterback because Mahomes doesn’t truck linebackers. They think Pat has had everything gift wrapped for him while Allen has been dealing with inferior coaching and talent. LOL.

Incredible countertenor voice!

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Here's what Zierlein said:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jared-...b-be0cb1a9ec84

I'm not worried about too much of it. We didn't draft him to replace Kelce (because it's likely nobody can or will) so why fret over some scouting remarks about the things he could have been better at in college?

I read his positive attributes and I think, "Yes, thank you, that's good enough." He's a bit on the older side, but that doesn't mean he can't improve some of that other stuff with NFL coaching, particularly with a coach like Tom Melvin.

If all we get is the guy exactly as he is in the scouting report, he's still an incredible weapon for our offense.

Thank you sir! Yeah, that makes sense. You’re right, we’re never going to “replace” Kelce. But, still excited to see what he’ll bring to the table!

Yeah, he has the size and the natural ability to be a real weapon and difference maker.

Maybe it's the QB to TE background but very savvy player that you can tell processes the game better than most.

Kinkaid ain’t shit.

I have no reason to think he'll suck, but what if Brock Bowers is just kind of there and never does what the historically elite TEs of the past 30 years do? Like, let's say he's OJ Howard instead of Tony Gonzalez. Now imagine if Wiley is even a top 5 TE from season to season.

How pissed are the Raiders going to be? LMAO

I'm kind of rooting for Brock Bowers to suck just because it would be funny if they strike out again at TE

I mean, what if Wiley is as good or better than Kincaid? And Worthy hits? It’s fun to dream on.

Texas makes a lot of sense IMO. No real culture shock coming to KC, normally pretty good players. Same with Louisiana. Close geographically.

I'm so optimistic about our present and future offense. We're putting together some young talent that will support Mahomes for years to come. Wiley has a real chance to be a big part of our future.

Slowing down isn't really the issue with Kelce. It's taking the hits. Clearly the Chiefs will protect him with a pitch count in the same way NE protected Gronk. Fortunately Kelce has been much more durable than Gronk at this point in their careers.

Chiefs are ahead of the game.

How tall is he? One of the taller in the nfl? Maybe mahomes can throw those impossible to guard throws him him that he does Kelce where the coverage is perfect it’s just placed perfectly

I'm excited about Wiley long term as a Kelce replacement but for this year we finally just have a tall athletic mofo we can throw a jump ball to.

Just pure assumption but he's close to Gronkowski's height

He's an inch taller than Kelce. In fact his measurements are extremely similar.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/travis...6-3a14cdb414dd

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jared-...b-be0cb1a9ec84



I do love how they both "do not come out of their breaks well" lol



edit: meanwhile Zack Kuntz is the best testing TE since they kept numbers and he has accumulated zero stats so far

I was told by all the KITTLE'S BLOCKING morons that Kelce is a liability at blocking

If you think Kittle's blocking was the most impressive thing you've ever seen lemme tell you about this Gronk guy and all the SWEET AMAZING BLOCKING he did.

Blocking and being defined as a "complete TE" are terms created by agents looking for big contracts. I'm a Hawkeye fan. Love Kittle. Love all the TEs that Iowa has produced, butI get so ****ing pissed when people tell me anyone is better than Kelce. Frankly its just like all the people who were not disturbed by Biden's decline. I'm not an idiot. I can see it with my own eyes. Don't piss on me and tell me its raining.

Look, I get it.

Kelce had some off-field troubles in college. He signed up for a cringey knock-off of The Bachelor very early in his career. He's a smooth dancer. He lines up out wide probably more than any other TE. So people have this image in their heads that he's all finesse and "not a real TE."

And that's just not true. He's a decent blocker. Give him a blocking job to do and he'll execute it. But why would we do that when we can use him as a receiver? It's not Kelce's fault that Kittle's career is being squadered by Ratface Jr, who has him fighting fatties at the LOS for 75% of his snaps.

Kittle isn't exactly a rocket scientist either....Ratface Jr is squandering his career but Kittle to me is easily the 4th best TE at this point in his career.

His unawareness in the SB, and allowing the defense to get that turnover makes him number 1 in my heart.

Sounds like you've got some things to get off your chest, please do so here and not in a thread about football

Sure would be incredible if we are comparing this draft class to 2022 in a couple years.

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I won't be impressed with Wiley until he starts banging Shakira.

Shakira is almost 50. It will be like Jenna Ortega or something

Right? Maybe in 10 years its Sabrina Carpenter and Mahomes has 11 more Super Bowls. In 10 years. Because if anyone can figure out how to win 11 super bewls in ten years its Patrick Mahoomss.

Olivia Newton John is the bar for me.

So he'll have to be into necrophilia.

Ope.

FYP

Bumping this thread.



I mean...the future could not look brighter with this guy.


Dare I say steal

Future Looks very bright indeed.

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[QUOTE=Kiimo;17599216]Bumping this thread.



I mean...the future could not look brighter with this guy.


Dare I say steal[/QUOT

If the left side of the line holds up this offense is going to explode.

Man what are these guys smoking?

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I'm not some kneejerk guy who writes off everything somebody says just because I disagree, but Kollmann has had some pretty strange draft takes. Doesn't like Wiley? Thought he was a reach, and that there were better TEs we could have taken at that spot?

Like, sure, you get to this stage of the draft and a lot of it becomes a crapshoot, but isn't it pretty dang obvious what the Chiefs were going for when they took Wiley? And if Wiley even becomes 75% of that dream they have, that already makes him a top 15 starting TE and a pretty nasty threat in the passing game that will continue beyond whenever Kelce decides to hang'em up.

Maybe that would be a pick to hem and haw about if the freakin Cardinals or Titans or some other crap team took him, but in the TE factory that is KC, he can't see the obvious upside staring right in front of him?

Very strange.

Kollman didn't like Rice either...

How did Kollman get his following? He doesn't really come across as someone who really knows anything. Just clean atmosphere and video editing

I think his "talent" is that he's good at breaking down film for the average fan.

That doesn't mean he can evaluate talent though.

He is pretty good at breaking down film and scheme. His talent evaluations are not so great.

I think Kollman is good at explaining basic film concepts in easy to understand terms.

I think his talent eval is bad and especially bad for KC.

He love Clyde Edwards-Helaire. I remember him loving Quentin Johnston and Denzel Mims.

He hated Rashee Rice.

Maybe he’s not as bad related to guys not drafted by KC, but when it comes to our guys, he just doesn’t have a good handle for who works and who won’t.

Wiley looks like he’s going to be a freaking stud.

I think, not positive, but I think both of these guys were really high on CEH in that draft. Iirc, one of these guys actually threw their notebook in disgust after KC drafted CEH on their podcast.

Kollman for sure was big on CEH. Thought he was the second coming of Brian Westbrook.

And honestly maybe he could've been if he didn't get hurt. ****ing Saints, dirty ass organization.

I've said it a hundred times it feels like. Kollman works for the ****ing Chargers. He does a great job of saying he isn't biased at all because of it right before he shits on every Chiefs draft pick. He's Teicher but better at playing the imaginary middle. **** him right in his off-season super bowl champion ass.

Kollman is outstanding at photography and YouTube. Football analysis not so much

He also works for the Chargers now, IIRC, so well yeah.

Kollman didn't like Mahomes at all. I mean at all. If you were against football jesus you lose all credibility in my book.

(although, to be fair, he did later make a lengthy video explaining just how wrong he was after his blasphemy became obvious)

He doesn't shit on every Chiefs draft pick, though. He loves Worthy, and spent a lot of time talking about how Jaden Hicks in the late 4th was the best pick of the entire draft

This also feels like draft echo chamber stuff.

So many people had him in the 2nd that they insist he was a steal in the 4th. But when you watch him move (he's fairly stiff) and consider the state of the modern NFL, suddenly him being available in the 4th makes a ton of sense.

It's strange that he doesn't like Wiley and loves Hicks because that strikes me as pure confirmation bias.

Wiley looks like a guy who Reid can mold into a 1,000 tight end by the end of his rookie deal. Hicks looks like a guy who might have a home as a 3rd safety in heavy nickel sets, IMO.

I think too many draft heads get stuck on their pre-draft boards and refuse to re-consider.

I learned a lesson with Kinnard when I went into that draft thinking he was a viable 2nd round pick. Then as a 5th rounder I thought "man, this dude is a steal" and completely ignored the fact that his feet were heeeeaaaavy and likely wouldn't translate.

And they haven't. NFL teams are smart. If Kollman was certain a guy was a 2nd rounder and he fell into the 4th, it's extremely likely that Kollman is wrong and not the front office of every single team in the league.

These teams have this stuff down pretty well at this point. Some things fall thru the cracks, sure, but for the most part........it ain't usually the teams that are off

I may have exaggerated a little. He does like to come on Chiefs pods and say how he doesn't see how x is going to work in Andys scheme like Andy is so rigid he doesn't drastically adjust the offense year to year.

Looks like we may have Kelce's replacement ready in two years.

He’s gonna be a nightmare in the intermediate level of the field

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All the Jared Wiley hype...

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Can't stand "evaluators" like Kollman. Guys who think they're smarter than 32 NFL teams and speak in absolutes as if their word is gospel.

"I'm not a Wiley fan but i had Hicks as my top safety in the class, a 1st round pick".

Like dude, STFU. "Well MY draft board blah blah blah". Cringe.

Man the absolutes are why I can't listen to RGR anymore.

Same with Rocky Magana on Veach Season.

He'll pick some pretty obvious take then rail against it for several minutes, like anyone is arguing with him: "Oh I'm sorry. I guess the rest of the league didn't get the memo. But Travis Kelce is still good at football. Deal with it, NFL."

ROCKY is awful

I agree with Duncan. I quite like Kollman explaining the xs and os, but man he's an awful evaluator, and it's not just the Chiefs. He might be the only person worse at evaluating WRs than me.

Also agree with DJ re "steals" often not being. I'm pretty excited about Wiley because we'll use him better than most other teams. But I think draft steals normally are the result of one of two things. There's character concerns and one team says "f*** it" and gets lucky, or teams pass on a guy because they've been used in a certain way and teams don't trust they can do anything else. Maybe Kelce is the former and Kittle the latter.

I think the very last straw for draft analysts for me was the McDuffee pick.

When the Chiefs took McDuffee and I saw a 'draft grades' where the Chiefs got the 2nd worst grade in the entire 1st round because "He's not a Spags cornerback" I just gave up.

Yeah, that's right, Spags had nothing to do with the pick.

"I don't believe he works for Spags...even though Spags does. And as such, I'm going to grade this pick based on my preconceived notions of what the Chiefs should've wanted vs. what they ACTUALLY wanted..."

It was just the dumbest ****ing thing I've seen from those guys and I said so in real time.

I quit on those clowns right then and there. Their entire grade is dependent on you doing what they expected you to do. And if you don't, they'll tell you that you don't understand what you look for in a player....

Huh? "You ordered Steak but you actually like chicken, therefore your dinner choice is just dumb..."

**** off.

3) Health. The Trey Smith scenario.

As for Wiley - I think you got it exactly right in that the vast majority of 'steals' are simply a guy who fits the scheme and gets coached into it.

In the end, draft 'steals' are almost always health risks that work out or scheme fit guys. There are very few times that one team (and fewer times that some asshole with a Podcast) simply identifies a talent on the 3rd day that every single other team in the NFL missed through several rounds.

Meant to add that but yep, kinda roll it into the character bracket but you're right they're different. The similarity is that for character and injury/illness it's people not accepting what their eyes are telling them I guess, that X player IS a lunatic or injury prone. In the case of Kittle it's teams believing their eyes over their imagination "I've only seen X block, I haven't seen them receive so I'll assume they can't".

Kollman knows as much about the draft as Matt Miller, "The Draft Scout".

Yeah - I'll call Kittle a clear scouting win. Among the few.

I mean the 49ers immediately incorporated him into the passing game. They absolutely saw something the rest of the league didn't.

Let's also remember, though, that they took CJ Beathard in the 3rd, Joe Williams in the 4th and Trent Taylor in the 5th before Kittle. Even THEY didn't see this.

Sometimes it's blind dumb luck. There were clearly teams that needed TEs who could've easily snagged him while they were putting their hopes in Joe Williams at RB. If they thought he was going to be 1/2 the player he's been, they take him in the 3rd. They didn't.

Oh, and they took Solomon Thomas at 3rd overall when they needed a QB and let Mahomes slide to us in that same draft. So I'm not gonna act like they've unlocked the secrets of the draft. They haven't.

They're okay at it. Most teams are only okay at it. And with Kittle they get some credit for seeing more than most, but they also got pretty damn lucky.

Yep. That's the thing with a steal I guess. It's largely luck. Most teams are making plenty more f*** ups than they are drafting Kittles. Including the 49ers.

Kollman doesn't watch as much tape as you'd think, a lot of what he says are just hot takes. I watched his podcast on the 49ers and he had all sorts of takes about Purdy in the playoffs that don't fit with what the people who actually broke down the film say.

Same could even be said for the draft steal that Chiefsplanet and Chiefs fans in general love to obsess about: DK Metcalf.

He's been awesome for the Seahawks, but the critiques that caused him to drop (stiffness, inability to run most routes effectively) are legit. He's just been in a situation where it hasn't mattered, and his ability to be dynamic on slants, posts, and flys has shined.

Which is why I've never barbecued the Chiefs for passing on him.

Now I will get at them a bit for passing an McLaurin because Scary Terry DOES fit everything we needed here. Though ultimately he'd have occupied a lot of the same space as Sammy at that time.

The Chiefs didn't 'miss' on that pick - they were targeting a very specific trait due to a very bizarre set of circumstances.

Mecole Hardman is a Chief because Brooke Pryor is a reckless and unprofessional shitweasel. That's it.

But/for all that, I still don't think Metcalf is a Chief for the very reasons you stated. But maybe McLaurin is...

I think several Posts hit it on the head. Steals are a manner of luck. Things like character, scheme, and health often facto in . But often it’s just a matter of pure luck.

I was going to give a list of examples, but it’s so long and they are so obvious and it’s too much work. But if you look through Wikipedia annual draft reports and see who has made pro bowl, not surprisingly most of them are in round one or round two. But almost every year there are a number that come in round three and later.

It comes down to what Belicheck said before he got too into himself.

Paraphrasing but "draft guys for what they can do and are good at, ask them to do that while you develop them to do things they can't".