I guess I missed the red card Canada picked up in that game to make your comparison seem relevant. I know you’re new to soccer being from up north, but red cards (especially controversial ones like the soft second yellow tonight) significantly affect the outcome of matches. You still got outplayed by Chile tonight when they were down a man for 2/3 of the match. That would embarrass most countries. Only in Canada would they celebrate that. Well, the few hundred of you up there actually paying attention at least.

Chile didn’t outplay Canada in that match but that is really besides the point. Canada knew they needed the draw to advance to the QFs and they got it. If that is an embarrassment in your eyes (against a team you said they had no chance against), what the hell does that make getting grouped by Panama at home? LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Canada 0 : 0 Chile<br><br>▪ xG: 1.3 - 0.43<br>▪ xThreat: 1.18 - 1.11<br>▪ Possession: 56.1% - 43.9%<br>▪ Field Tilt: 53.5% - 46.5%<br>▪ Def Action Height: 40.7 - 46.3 <a href="https://t.co/etSdgyWysn">pic.twitter.com/etSdgyWysn</a></p>&mdash; markstats bot (@markstatsbot) <a href="https://twitter.com/markstatsbot/status/1807236506169626846?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Does advancing out of the group in Copa even count if you only triple your opponent’s expected goal total in the match?

We had 7 corners in the first half when like 5 before the red and majority of possession once we ice we knew we needed only a draw we played not to lose , if we were better in the final third we would Luke have won that game easily , it got sloppy in the middle because we lost our cool because they were dicks .

The difference is some countries are punished for losing their cool like we were and some are not for some reason. It’s why the major discussion so far has been about the poor officiating and poor playing fields. Not sure how this wasn’t even a card, but a player tripping over himself during a shoulder to shoulder was somehow enough for a second yellow. If you were better in the final third you wouldn’t be able to say you were the first team in over 20 years to advance out of your group with only 1 goal (that came while playing up a man) That’s just who Canada is. It’s what comes when your only world class player is a fullback. He can only carry you so much.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Canada&#39;s lucky they&#39;re not down a player after this Bombito elbow <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CopaAmerica2024?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CopaAmerica2024</a> <a href="https://t.co/2Q36RL9CFA">pic.twitter.com/2Q36RL9CFA</a></p>&mdash; Albert (@AlbertVartanian) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertVartanian/status/1807205895836668040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RED CARD FOR CHILE 🟥<br><br>Gabriel Suazo receives a second yellow 27 minutes into the match and Chile is down to 10-players! <a href="https://t.co/DNRAU0fiy7">pic.twitter.com/DNRAU0fiy7</a></p>&mdash; FOX Soccer (@FOXSoccer) <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSoccer/status/1807209848888594640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That second yellow was because of the area the foul took place it was clear push in the back taking away a scoring opportunity, that elbow should have been red for sure but Canada was controlling the play even when they were even , the should just play davies on the wing he is a def liability anyways. Let him cook.

Do you have any better camera angles of this clear push to the back, because it’s obviously not very clear from the replay they show. I’d say the elbow to the face was much more clear wouldn’t you?

Oh you don’t need to tell me, I actually watched the game unlike the Berhalter backer here. Canada outplayed them with both 11 and 10 men on the field, were clearly the superior squad under any circumstance, and it was quite obvious they shut it down some offensively after Argentina scored in the other game. Marsch admitted to it after the game.

Still waiting to hear how getting results against Peru and Chile to advance is an embarrassment compared to getting grouped out by Panama at home.

Sorry, I didn’t realize you wanted me to speed up time to Monday to see if your prediction somehow holds up dumbass. If group play was over right now the US would be advancing right? So what are you talking about? If we somehow fail to score a goal on Monday and put in an embarrassing effort like Canada did last night you better believe I’ll be embarrassed as shit about how far we’ve fallen off since giving Berhalter another chance for some unknown reason. Wouldn’t be as embarrassing as scoring 1 goal in group play when we played up a man for essentially a whole match, though.

Just commenting on the hilarious irony of someone bitching about "embarrassing" win/draw results against Peru and Chile to advance while simultaneously defending losing to Panama at home. So you think the US is beating Uruguay next, do you?

I’m not surprised that you haven’t figured out the whole red card element and how it has a huge impact on the outcomes of these matches since you’re relatively new to the sport likely. I absolutely think we will beat Uruguay on Monday. I think this team has enough talent to play with anyone if they can keep all 11 on the pitch. Just like I don’t think Canada is good enough to beat anyone in their group 11 v 11

Yeah, I’m not surprised that the guy who thought Canada’s current manager was coaching a year ago (when he started last month) or the guy who thought Canada had no chance against Peru or Chile (only to get results against both and advance) is still believing in a Berhalter-led US squad against a far superior opponent.

It’s gonna be funny watching you go down with the Berhalter ship on Monday in any case. Tonight it will be Mexico first.

Far superior team? The US is the highest ranked team in the group dumbass. Not surprising you didn’t know that since you tried to claim you were far superior to all the South American teams when you’re the lowest ranked team in your group. All Canada has shown us is how any team can get lucky in this game if they park the bus and let the other teams implode. Do you think you’ll score a goal this tournament in an 11 v 11 situation?

No one outside of the couple hundred Canadian fans know anything about your coaching timeline. When you’re not even a top 40 team in the world your news doesn’t really travel around outside your region

https://www.eloratings.net/

Uruguay is 6 in ELO, the USA is 30 (only 2 spots above Canada now, FYI). Not surprised that you're still going by dated/flawed FIFA rankings though or that you somehow think these teams are close in any way judging by the nonsense you've spewed in this thread so far.

They were evidently superior to at least two South American teams in their group because they advanced to the QFs and Peru/Chile didn't (in addition to being far better in ELO than both).


Do top 40 teams in the world lose at home to Panama in major tournaments? Is that the standard for that?

Jesus Christ dudes.

Just enjoy the game you miserable ****s. It’s supposed to be fun.

US has a decent chance if they play up to their potential but that doesn’t happen enough. Will be interesting to watch hope they figure it out.

He asked for this when he shit all over Canada immediately after one of their best wins in program history earlier this week and claimed they would get blown out by Chile only to watch his team lose to ****ing Panama days later.

Sometimes you get what you deserve.

OH NO SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET

It is Sunday enjoy the confluence of international and domestic sports before us. You guys made your points.

If this had anything to do with him being wrong (rather than just purposely shitting on Canada soccer for no reason at all after a great win and now after advancing to the knockout), I wouldn't be continuing with this.

As it is, he's earned this.

That’s my fault. I was just using the ranking system that gets used to determine draws for international tournaments like the World Cup. What tournaments use the ELO rankings now? Your argument is essentially like some college football fan trying to use bleacher report power rankings vs the CFP rankings.

Comparing ELO to Bleacher Report power rankings now is certainly evidence of something but probably not what you think it is.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting comment from <a href="https://t.co/pmp5K4RXwy">https://t.co/pmp5K4RXwy</a> breaking down USMNT Elo ranking over Gregg&#39;s tenure: <a href="https://t.co/jZwGln04MS">pic.twitter.com/jZwGln04MS</a></p>&mdash; Justin Moran (@kickswish) <a href="https://twitter.com/kickswish/status/1806719589566337204?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And would you look at that, an USMNT supporter with some actual knowledge evaluating Berhalter’s tenure based on ELO.

I haven’t liked our coach for quite a while. I thought all the Reyna drama and him stepping away all but sealed his fate but I guess not

Yeah anybody who knows soccer in the US understands Berhalter sucks and should have never been rehired. We played way better with the interim guy then him. His entire philosophy is push the ball out wide and send crosses in. There is no creativeness from our players because of it. Balogun is also that type of striker he needs the ball at his feet not being poorly crossed in.

Agreed on Berhalter. Send him packing now. Even if we beat Uruguay

Mexico is out

Wild finish. Talk about a “Mexican wave” of emotions amirite?!

So what does everyone think we do for RW tomorrow to replace Weah. I’m kind of hoping we move Reyna back out there, move Flo to CAM and use Sargent at ST. I only worry that Sargent isn’t obviously 90 minutes fit so we would likely have to rely on Pepi for part of the match as well. I definitely don’t want him in at the end if we still need a goal. Losing Dest to injury was pretty big too because he would have plugged into RW nicely in the pinch we’re in.

So excited for the match. Love that KC gets to play host to such a huge game. Let’s hope the fans show up big!

I don't bet soccer but bookies do have the USA a slight favorite tomorrow.

Good.

**** them.

the biggest question tonight is if bolivia will spread their cheeks wide for panama. even if we only win by 1, panama would need to win by 3 goals. obviously just beating uruguay is a big task for us, but i think if panama can get to 4, it's probably curtains.

Darwin Nunez is tough to defend. He didn't have a great year and missed a number of opportunities with Liverpool this year, but he is formidable.

that's laughable

Not really, USA is ranked higher in the standings.

Pretty sure just plugging in Musah. Musah's been good for us.

yes, and our backline is too shaky to keep uruguay off the board, most likely. maybe the boys can get some arrowhead magic.

Im going to watch this. I like watching the Mens Americas Soccer team with the hope that someday they will beat the world at their 7th most popular sport. Is that Pulsavic or whatever the **** his name is playing? Add in Arrowhead and cant miss TV

:facepalm:

I get what you're getting at but you realize the rankings take into account the weakness of the Concaf? So the USA have to prove more in Concaf than say a team in Europe if that makes sense.

The rankings are complete shit, consistently, and have been since I started paying attention to international soccer about 30 years ago. Using the rankings as any kind of basis when going up against any kind of world power is folly. We've seen it time and time again.

You’re mistaking how the rankings work clearly. The favorite to win the Super Bowl will lose in the regular season to some random ass shit team, it’s no different in soccer.

There’s a reason 9 times out of 10 one of the top 10 and usually top 5 ranked teams in soccer win the World Cup. You’re using the logic of because England tied Slovenia they either shouldn’t be #4 or Slovenia shouldn’t be 50 whatever and that’s just dumb

Who’s going tonight?!!!

What a brilliant scheduling by whoever put this on. There is absolutely nothing to watch for sports right now.

Anyone know when starting 11 is announced? Not that it matters. I just want GGG gone

?? The euro cup just finished Portugal and Slovenia…

If you’re talking about the scheduling of the copa, they have to do the games at the same time to avoid teams tanking or for w.e other reason such as tie breaker scenarios.

Here we go!!

What is this camera angle?

What is up with these camera views?

This is like Super Nintendo shit.

Just came here to say this lol

Only watching though because it’s Arrowhead

Worst camera angle ever.

Arrowhead isn't some weird stadium either. The NFL games aren't shot like this.

Camera angle looks like its from the press box at the top of the stadium. Field looks like shit as well.

Must be the Mahomes angle. Looking down on everything.

Tired of hearing about the “set piece coach.” Hasn’t been any results, and won’t until berhalter is gone.

I guess the parts of the field that look shit is where the sidelines begin on the football field.

I guess lots of people are bitching on social media for them to say it is the All-22 view

Why don’t we have Adams serving free kicks. He’s miles better than Pulisic.

Just started watching , horrible angle

Looks similar I would say
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Tired of this “dark arts” bullshit. Play clean soccer

What the ****. How does Adam’s get a yellow and that tackle on Robinson doesnt

Exactly what I’m saying. South America gets credit for bullshit play but when we do it, it’s a yellow

telling a south american nation to play clean soccer is like telling a dog not to bark.

5 min injury and not a single replay

Looks like American football game.

These teams aren't respecting the ref at all.

Ref is worse than the camera angle

this ref has already lost control

This is horrible soccer.

Stop faking injuries.

It is embarrassing.

He deserves it after faking he was injured.

Ref has lost control and totally on Uruguay side.

Anti-American bias.

lol idiot every time Uruguay falls they fake injury

that blue haired shithead on uruguay can drink antifreeze

Doesn't mean we should do it.

How come they don't fine them when they fake injuries?

Why are you in this thread? If you want to learn why they do things and why they don’t do other things, ask in a less condescending tone, otherwise you’re just being a dickhead.

Pulisic great turn and then call handball seconds after. **** this bullshit

Bizarre ruling to call a handball while Pulisic was running on the break. Fix may be in

WTF is this shit? Who okayed a camera in an airplane above arrowhead was the best way to watch soccer?

I know why they do it. They are trying to pick up a call. That doesn't mean they should do it.

I'm watching because I'm a god damned red blooded American and doing my duty.

Soccer announcers are brutal on the refs.

NFL announcers protect them.