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chiefzilla1501 08-01-2024 02:29 PM

I know this will controversial, but is this defense dominance sustainable or will we regress to the mean closer to the defenses spags started out with here. Right now we have the right scheme with an incredible core of players. But I think as times change and players swap out defense dominance will be way harder to maintain where on offense Reid and mahomes are always locks. Good news is spags’ floor especially in the playoffs is plenty good enough to win.

At some point we have to make choices about positions to deprioritize. And much as I love having real good MLBs, I kinda think the old eagles way of constantly churning young, cheap talent is the way to go.

Buehler445 08-01-2024 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17611400)
I know this will controversial, but is this defense dominance sustainable or will we regress to the mean closer to the defenses spags started out with here. Right now we have the right scheme with an incredible core of players. But I think as times change and players swap out defense dominance will be way harder to maintain where on offense Reid and mahomes are always locks. Good news is spags’ floor especially in the playoffs is plenty good enough to win.

At some point we have to make choices about positions to deprioritize. And much as I love having real good MLBs, I kinda think the old eagles way of constantly churning young, cheap talent is the way to go.

Historically it is much harder to sustain dominant defense than offense.

DJ's left nut 08-01-2024 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17611416)
Historically it is much harder to sustain dominant defense than offense.

Yeup.

Defense is about not having a weakness. Very few defenses involve a great player patching up holes in an otherwise average unit. Most elite defenses are teams that are strong from top to bottom.

And that takes luck or money.

And in either event, it takes really good timing that rarely lasts for long. Especially in a league where CB play is historically extremely erratic. HOF corners are great every year. Merely very good CBs have almost as many mediocre seasons as great ones.

Last season was a perfect confluence of career years in the defensive backfield, a deep LB corps and good enough play on the DL. That's just damn hard to bank on year over year.

Bl00dyBizkitz 08-01-2024 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17610682)
It's worth pointing out, however, that we did win a Super Bowl with that pair.

That's not to say they're good players but rather than the LBs aren't as critical to the defense as the DL and secondary. I mean look at how little value they placed on Gay in free agency -- they wouldn't give him $3 million to come back.

Now it's also worth pointing out that the team basically did nothing at the LB position to backfill for Bolton. And by and large, the team does seem to target a replacement for guys the year before they anticipate losing them.

I think they'll make a run at Bolton, I just think they'll have to pull the chute on it. I don't think they'll go as high for him as the market is going to support. ESPECIALLY if Hollywood proves to be a good fit and they look to bring him back.

You're not wrong, we did win a SB with them. But 2020 and 2021 were dark days for that defense, and they were very much part of it. They were slow, they couldn't cover, they could barely wrap up for a tackle. The only reason the stupid ass "keep Mahomes off the field, chew clock" strategy was even viable was because the LB corps allowed it, we were getting gashed. Did we overcome it the majority of the time? Totally. But that doesn't excuse how awful they were.

Is Bolton the answer and we need to pay him? Not necessarily, although I really would love to keep him. But if they move on from him for one reason or another, ill be okay with it. Veach has obviously earned himself plenty of leeway.

EDIT: I forgot how they responded when fans started boo'ing/calling out the defense that 2021 year. One of them said something to the effect of "fans should be more grateful, we got you guys a ring". They were totally content resting on their laurels, not even acknowledging how bad they were playing. So if I'm sour about LB play and I dont want it to go back to those days, this is partially why.

Nickhead 08-02-2024 03:41 AM

i've said it before, and will again, butker does not need a raise. if he isn't doing kickoffs, and keeping the leg warm, his accuracy will suffer and will halve the number of kicks per year. :D

Rausch 08-02-2024 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17611339)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/5JGmpEWiB2">https://t.co/5JGmpEWiB2</a> <a href="https://t.co/b6wgNodTXT">pic.twitter.com/b6wgNodTXT</a></p>&mdash; Rickey (@prettyrickey213) <a href="https://twitter.com/prettyrickey213/status/1819068959079256383?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

My wife's gonna' be pissed if they do trade him. She doesn't know who Rickey is or I'd flip this to her.

staylor26 08-02-2024 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17611339)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/5JGmpEWiB2">https://t.co/5JGmpEWiB2</a> <a href="https://t.co/b6wgNodTXT">pic.twitter.com/b6wgNodTXT</a></p>&mdash; Rickey (@prettyrickey213) <a href="https://twitter.com/prettyrickey213/status/1819068959079256383?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

#NewDealSF?

That sounds more like an extension than a trade.

Sassy Squatch 08-03-2024 01:50 PM

Looks like dude rage quit Twitter.

BWillie 08-03-2024 01:50 PM

I want to resign Creed Humphrey IF we start doing QB sneaks again and IF we start running from under center on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1

JohnnyHammersticks 08-03-2024 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17614332)
Looks like dude rage quit Twitter.

It's better to burn out than to fade away. RIP to The People's Insider.

#GOAT

BossChief 08-03-2024 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17614334)
I want to resign Creed Humphrey IF we start doing QB sneaks again and IF we start running from under center on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1

:doh!:

DRM08 08-05-2024 02:37 PM

Well, Rickey nailed it with Butker. Harrison's new deal is official and he's under contract for 5 more seasons. Now we wait to see if anything happens soon with Creed.

Megatron96 08-05-2024 05:02 PM

Nice deal for Butker. Basically makes him a Chief for life. Happy for Butt-kicker. Now, let's get Creed signed, Veach.


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