I mean this the best I can, not being aggressive etc. But what in the **** else are they supposed to do at OT?

They have taken multiple OT's in the top 3 rounds of the draft, none of them were thought to be reaches. They spent at the top of the market for Taylor, it's not like there have been a bunch of high end OT's available in FA.

Guess what, you pick after 30 every year with some hugely expensive players on your roster. Unless you want to trade like 3 1's to draft Joe Alt, what the **** are you gonna do? We're literally bitching they didn't get lucky and steal a good starting OT.

Donovan Smith has been sitting at home all year. The guy who was at least good enough for us to win a Super Bowl with last year. Everybody tells me he was bad but I don't remember having even one tenth of the drama we've had this year.

If the supporting cast is that piss poor, someone is not doing their job at an adequate level.

They need to let Trey Smith walk and sign Cam Robinson.

He’s only given up one sack and has a PFF grade in the mid 70’s. He’s a playable decent LT that knows our offense and that’s much better than what we’ve had previous years or could obtain now.

So do we just accept this is the offense we’re going to see in KC? LT is hard to address so we just accept that Mahomes is not going to be surrounded with the talent he needs to succeed?

Yeah, he wasn't bad. He was far better than what we've seen this year.

The offense has no rhythm to it. No consistency.

You don’t think it’s because they’ve started 3 different RB’s, FOUR different LT’s, 2 different LG’s and had to bring in a street FA (Juju) and trade for another (Hopkins) to replace their WR1 and WR2 injuries while trying to get a rookie WR up to speed?

So you don't remember Christmas day last year?

Of course not. But it's going to require them to hit above average in the draft.

A guy like Kingsley could still pan out and that's what they're going to need.

Wanya was LT that game.

He said he didn't recall drama like this last year. There most certainly was drama of this type late last year.

Im with DJLN on this. We need to cut bait on our Guards and go get us a veteran LT. Even if it means overpaying for average. We can handle average. Maybe we have that in house with Humphreys once he’s fully conditioned and acclimated.

I’ve mentioned in the past that we really need to be overwhelming our roster with lower skill positions like guard and LB. We need to keep doing it at Rb. These are positions you can hit on in the low rounds. I wish we would do more of that. It’s gonna be a real hard pill to swallow if we pay huge $s to Trey and thuney but we couldn’t pay for a skill player like Snead.

That's also a mix problem too, do you go for more valuable positions or the player?

Picking where we do adding any type of blue chip player is difficult. So do you go less valuable position like say RB because you might be able to add an actual blue chip talent..or do you go with a CB or edge because while not blue chip the position is more important.

It's not an easy spot to be in.

I took it as as in the context of Smith playing LT. Perhaps wazu can clarify.

Yes, I was meaning Donovan Smith. The fact that we had seen Wanya in action should only have further solidified for the Chiefs that they needed to bring Donovan Smith back.

Alaric Jackson over Cam Robinson if they both hit FA. Jackson gives up less overall pressure and is 3 years younger.

Maybe so. But let's face it. The tackle play in KC hasn't been good since Fisher and Schwartz retired. They will have to work around it, just like they always gave.

They opted for Humphries when they could have literally signed Smith at any point since Kingsley imploded in week 2. Smith is done. If he were able to play, he'd already be here.

He seems to think he can play based on his social media posts. It's impossible to prove or disprove as he hasn't been in a football uniform since the Super Bowl.

BTW, I'm still hopeful Humphries can get right and provide Donovan Smith-esque performance. This just looked like an awfully big gamble all offseason, and it just about couldn't have gone any worse.

All true.

A QB that's constantly worried about his blindside is just not going to be very effective, especially on deep balls. The footwork, the protection calls, the vision. All of it relies on having at least SOME level of confidence in protection.

We have to get Humphries back so he can get more reps.

Veach has been exceptional at other spots. We’re just starting to draft very well at WR too. dB for example, we’ve been incredibly good.

I think we just take the L and recognize LT will be very difficult to draft but it’s way too important to risk. Maybe make an exception there.

I threw out an uncomfortable conversation point last year that maybe feels a little more real now. We caught lightning in a bottle with the defense but it is just a bear to maintain. We’ve used a lot of our very best draft capital on defense and been content to plug in JV starters on offense. We are going to lose guys like Snead and we probably should think twice about even guys like Bolton. Seems we’re ripe for a pivot where we should ask our offense to carry the defense again.

Also we need a reset year once our run is over. Take one year to gut veterans like thuney (preferably through trade), stockpile these picks + comp picks. Kelce retiring seems like a good spot to do this. But we aren’t there yet. Hopefully we still have plenty of kelce left.

At 31 seconds. The Worthy miss.

Look at Mahomes head. He never looked off of Watson. Even pump faked. It was either a designed 1 read play to push the ball downfield or Patrick is purposefully not going through reads.

Don’t think he’s sticking to Watson on purpose here. Feels like that’s the playcall and what the coaches wanted.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> OL protection yesterday against the Browns when Mahomes was on the field. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/EF6395fnBo">pic.twitter.com/EF6395fnBo</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1868746468116574670?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

A few of those early plays just look brutal from that perspective... at :11 and the play after that, three Chiefs all moving in the same direction with like 6+ Browns around.

And then you get into the scoring drive, and holy shit, use some misdirection and don't have half the team going to the same spot on the field, and there's actually some space out there.

Wonder how much of Pat's issues have to do with his ankle injury? Just watching that tape, he almost never steps into his deep throws, he steps out.


Overall, I feel like his clock is sped up. A couple times he seems to try and slow it down, but then he gets bumped or hit while trying to throw, and then on the next snap his clock is sped up again.

And I don't care what the analytics say, the OL play isn't good. Pat regularly has IOL walked back into him, the OTs are regularly giving up the inside or the outside; there's just not a lot of time on a lot of those snaps for Pat to get through even 2 reads. And several times he gets bumped as he's throwing, or he pulls it down because he gets bumped and then he's late.

And then you have the reps where it looks like he's predetermined where he's going with the ball, like that deep shot to JWat. Now, the tight doesn't really show what's happening outside the numbers, so we can't really see what else was available there, but it looks pretty obvious that JWat just isn't open, but Pat lets it fly anyway. And it's not a very good throw either. Or it's not a well-run route. Either way, I can't see how that was a good idea.


And the deep ball to DHop #3:10. That ball is short to the inside, but the DB is on the inside. That ball needed to be on the outside and leading DHop. But Pat gets pressure in his face so he can't step into the pass, and it ends up being short and inside. It was kind of amazing that Hopkins got his hands on it at all.

It would really help if the Chiefs had more explosive players who could break away for big passing plays, that were not initiated by big passes, in terms of air yardage.

Thinking about a play like Turpin provided for Dallas a few weeks ago vs Texans… it was just a 15 yard crossing pattern that he turned up field and housed for a 64 yard TD.

Trey is fantastic. The problem is that all the rest of the NFL knows it too. He will get big money. We can’t sign everyone. Wayna has shown promise as a good run blocker. Put him there. Spend the money on a LT.

Like Rashee Rice and Hollywood Brown?

We are getting one of them back this week

I was in the minority that I leaned against resigning CJ, because of basically this argument. And worries about his production versus cap hit at the end of that contract. But that is what it is and he is obviously carrying the pass rush. So go CJ.

But yea, without continuous great drafting, you end up with JAGs because you can't bring in expensive FAs and resign all of your own talent too.

Looks like the bulk of the issue with pressure in this one was Thuney getting his ass absolutely rocked by Garrett. There were a couple of interior fails with Caliendo (to be expected with a first start) and then on the whole with blitz pickup communication. Overall, they looked solid as a whole when Garrett was out, not so much when he was in. One-man wrecking crew. Humphries is the golden ticket to keeping the pressure to tolerable.

Here is Mahomes throwing to Watson in double coverage. But, Worthy is wide open and could have took it down into the red zone easily.

Thuney started off really well then as the game went on Garrett was just blowing up the pocket. That dude is an absolute freak.

So it's really just that left side over and over and over. But that one position has basically crippled the offense all year.

So yeah we need to go out this season and spend whatever it takes to get a GOOD left tackle. Not draft someone else and hope we can coach them up because that formula has failed this front office over and over and over for that position.

mmmm. Not always.

You’re right, sometimes it results in this.

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Meanwhile, Dolphins fans on Twitter are starting to turn on Hill en masse after his vaguebook tweeting implying he wants out of South Beach.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">too much flack on tua in big games take a look at hill against every .500+ team <a href="https://t.co/HEp68j8EEt">pic.twitter.com/HEp68j8EEt</a></p>&mdash; Jl (@MIK3MCDANIEL) <a href="https://twitter.com/MIK3MCDANIEL/status/1870277470521569440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Some of those reps must be from last season. Per PFR, Hill has only one drop for the season.

He missed a few but the passes to Watson and the one to Worthy in the end zone were good deep passes even if they didn't end up completions

Agreed. He looked sharp today. Worthy’s was a difficult catch but Watson showed he simply shouldn’t be trusted with routes like that anymore. He has to bring that in.

When Mahomes' two tackles give him a chance to look downfield, turns out his deep ball isn't so bad after all...

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YES. God it was great to see that again.

Nice blitz pickup by Kelce too.

The O-line's the issue..

His balls went deep very good.

OL + Mahomes being able to step up and he also threw it on time and not a second late which probably could be attributed to him feeling confident in his line and keeping his eyes UP, not worried about the rush.

I’m telling you there’s zero chance I’m rocking the boat with the offensive line, IDC how unconventional it is, to do what we’ve done against some of the NFL’s top 5 pass rushing teams…. It’s impressive.

Yep. I think it is fairly obvious now the lack of protection at the tackle position and lack of weapons was the biggest contributing factor.

Mahomes balls go deep with proper protection

Well the good news is I’m going to declare it fixed.

Based on one play?

At some point this offseason we have to have a real conversation about Mahomes.

What’s going to be the conversation? That he’s off to the best seven year start in league history for a QB by far? That he’s won 2 of the last 3 SBs and made 5 SBs out of the last 6 seasons? That he’s made the AFC Championship 7 years in a row?

You’re right, I do think that kind of unprecedented success should be discussed more often. Can you imagine actually being the franchise lucky enough to have drafted that kind of player?

The answer to the question:

He isn't comfortable with the protection enough to not rush the throw.

/thread

LT. Get him a real one and see what happens...

The only problem with Patrick Mahomes II's deep ball is that we're not using it enough.

The drops aren't building up anyone's confidence either.

Are we still talking about this?

What do we class as a deep ball, 40+ yards?

The quickest WR EVER, gets 40 yards in just over 4 seconds.

Factor in he doesn’t run a straight line and might have a bit of press, let’s say 5 seconds being generous.

How much time does Mahomes get to throw? 2 seconds.

It’s basic math

His last three, actually.

Perfect 50 yard bomb to Watson against Pittsburgh, a fantastic deep ball to Brown against the Texans that Brown didn’t reel in, and then the longest air yard completion in Super Bowl history and his NFL career at the end of SB59.

We have not seen that level of consistency in Patrick’s deep ball since… 2021? 2020? If there’s any conversation that needs to be had about Patrick, it’s Andy having a real talk with him about him double clutching in the pocket and his hesitancy to take deep shots when they’re there like at the beginning of SB59. If he says he needs an Eric Fisher and it’s a mental thing due to his consistent lower body issues, then you do whatever it takes to land an Eric Fisher this offseason.

It’s not Andy and Nagy preventing him from throwing deep. In fact, they were the ones who were on Pat throughout camp to throw deep and had drilled it into him going into the year. Yes, Andy and Veach deserve criticism for their obvious oversight of the LT position, but this idea that they’re turning him into a game manager has no basis in reality.

Whatever it is, if Patrick hits the three deep balls mentioned above in Weeks 1-3 of next season, defenses will have to radically transform their approach to him from the get-go. Patrick knows this, Andy knows this, and Veach knows this. I believe in the latter to fix LT this offseason, and as always, I believe in Patrick to be the greatest quarterback who’s ever taken the field when we get started next season (and hopefully in a noon game - I could use a few more of those).

Does the word anticipation mean anything to you?

He can still improve despite all his accomplishments.

He needs a LT he can trust.

Youre really showing ignorance here. You realize it takes time for the ball to get from QB to WR, right? QBs don't need 5 seconds of protection to throw a deep ball. The ball isn't getting to the WR the instant it's thrown.

He had adequate LT play for most of the season. If he needs perfection at every position on the OL, then I just don't know what to say. He's shit out of luck.

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LMAO right?

What is wrong with Mahomes' deep ball?

Hard for him to throw long while you have his ball deep down your throat.

Adequate doesn't equal good.

There nothing wrong with his deepballs how you think he got three kids!