it's very entitled to think the chiefs dynasty is so great that it is beyond being humbled or embarrassed

all the greats get embarrassed at some point

Montana, Marino, Manning, Brady....they all got their ass kicked multiple times

Did people forget that Tom Brady and the Patriots were one and done bc they got blown out at home in 2010 by Mark Sanchez and Rex Ryan after going 14-2? LMAO

That’s like if we had a season we just had only to get blown out by Bo Nix and Sean Payton at Arrowhead.

And people think that’s not humiliating? LMAO

I need to find Patriots board archives. To see how upset their fans were that Belichick didn't get proper film on Nick Foles

So much THIS! Im wired that if I get my ass kicked, I come back harder. Just dont know any other way. Doesn't matter how much success Ive achieved in a certain area. Its part of life. You get your ass kicked sometimes. You LEARN from it and you come back, and do your best to take what you learned so next time things are different. Rinse /Repeat..

We should win as many as possible.

But that's not the issue here. The question isn't how many should we win, it's how many should we lose in pathetic blowouts because our head coach shits the bed and then rolls around in it.

The answer to that question is zero. Zero times should that happen.

We're at two.

What's entitled is to act like pissing away Super Bowls doesn't matter. You can cite embarrassing blowout losses by Montana and Brady all day (though not in Super Bowls) because you know they kept winning titles afterwards.

You have no idea if that will happen to us. If you think it will, that's entitled. And if it turns out this was our last shot at one, be it forever or for a long ass time like Brady had, maybe you'll start to think differently about blowing a perfectly winnable game because Andy's head was up his ass.

Joe Montana had a three year stretch when he had embarrassingly awful playoff losses… 0 TD’s 4 INT’s in those losses.

LMAO

Such a tenuous argument that you're using to defend you childishness.

Just find another team already.

No. It happens to everyone in the postseason. Deal with it.

If this is what you're like when the Chiefs are at their apex, I cannot imagine what you're like when the Chiefs return to their middling form. This is just sad.

Dude, what a miserable existence you must have. We went from not winning a freaking playoff game for decades to being in seven AFC conference championships and five Super Bowls. Are you not entertained?

Gratitude. Get some mother****er.

Please tell us oh wise one. If you were Clark Hunt what would you do to do better?

What is your action plan… send Andy to Gitmo?

Oh Dude.

No. Just stop.

This team has already accomplished more than any of us had a right to dream. Mahomes is 29. You need to relax. They're not remotely close to being done.

"I'm Afraid The Strain Was More Than He Could Bear."

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Lol they ended their season on a loss. You think I'm about to believe in some losers? Loser mentality brah

Offensive coaching staff could use a fresh perspective from a new face in the ranks. Someone to shake things up a little. "Hey guys, maybe we should run the ball a little more vs a defense that's abusing our all-world QB with a 4 man rush..." JMHO. (That said... "I BELIEVE!")

Which one were you again?

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Go join the Bills' front office. They're having masseuse tryouts to bring in Justin Tucker

The Chiefs are at their apex when they win the championship, not when they get close and get blown out in uncompetitive cakewalks.

I know it's confusing so I'm glad we had the chance to clear that up.

Well, I'd hope Andy would take the initiative to do it himself. But if someone actually has to tell him what to do, let's see.

Considering Andy and his staff managed to miss - this is just one example, mind you - that since Joe Thuney plays guard because he doesn't have LT size, then it's a really ****ing bad idea to put him on an island over and over against lengthy pass rushers with strong power moves who can run right through him like the Eagles have, I might insist he get some new eyeballs in the room.

Since twice on the biggest stage we've seen Andy smash his head against a wall, go "ouch this hurts", and then keep doing it over and over, I might strongly suggest that he work on a method to fix that. Maybe for every big game he should start getting someone he trusts - Nagy, Doug Peterson, Jake from State Farm - to do nothing but design a completely separate Plan B based on the idea that Plan A didn't work. So instead of Andy standing there staring at the field for another 2nd half of a Super Bowl his team is trailing by 20+ points in, he can actually try something different.

Alternatively, being an owner and not a coach and all, I'd ask Andy about his QB's involvement in such adjustments. Instead of getting himself killed running plays that were DOA from the snap, maybe let him have some input on what to run. On a scale of Jamarcus Russell to Peyton Manning, what level of autonomy at the line does Mahomes have? And if it's not Manning level going into his 9th year in the league, why not and what does Andy need to do for it to get there?

And since Andy is the slowest man alive at reacting to poor OL play, I might politely inquire if he can hire a coach who's sole duty is to approach Andy on the sideline when needed and say "Ummmm... you know we can replace him, right Coach?" And maybe an entirely new coach isn't needed, maybe the same guy who manages the clock for Andy can do it. But we don't want to put too much on that guy's plate so let's err on the side of caution.

That enough for you?

So you'd be Jerry Jones. Good to know.

Mods, please change his screen name to the more appropriate ^^^

Didn't he hang himself with a belt?

He choked himself to death while masturbating.

It's not that simple of a calculus.

If this logic were true, the Chiefs would never have won a playoff game.

The Texans defense was roughly equivalent to Philadelphia's.

The difference in the Super Bowl was that their opponent had a bye before playing the Chiefs, and the Chiefs were not playing at home. In a league where every inch matters, that alone could have shifted the pendulum over the threshold.

Just accept the fact that the team had a bad day, lack of talent caught up to them against a hungrier Eagles team, and no amount of coaching changes were going to make a difference. The Chiefs were outclassed and lost many of the advantages they had in the first two postseason games. Andy was boxed into a corner at LT and got out of the situation as best he could, winning most of the games after the switch. You focus on one loss and call it bad coaching, when it was actually brilliant coaching that they got as far as they did.

The Chiefs were 5-0 and averaging 26.4 PPG with Thuney at LT before the Super Bowl.

It is flawed logic to suggest they would have been better off by doing something else, when the only evidence for that was a rather disastrous performance against the Chargers with DJ Humphries at LT.

Again, the Texans were very stout up front and in the secondary and the line handled them well enough to beat them twice within a month.

Sometimes you just get got. When the '06 Chiefs went into Indianapolis no one could have predicted the NFL rushing champ would have been shut down. Was the coaching staff stupid for not going into that game trying to throw the ball all over the place with zombie Trent Green, a questionable pass blocking line and jack shit at receiver?

Nay. You dance with what brung you.

In this case Cinderella turned into a pumpkin too soon. The Chiefs coaching staff didn't fail, they were just down too many chess pieces against Gary Kasparov. It was a valiant effort to even get to the final.

The betas that want to follow the Eagles around. Because the Chiefs lost to them. So they can masturbate on any Eagle shit they find. Is as disturbing as this analogy

We'll never know because nothing different was tried.

And again - it's not that the plan failed - Mahomes and the O line did. Even if there are deep routes that are taking too long to develop you then throw the football away. You don't eat sacks and turn the football over. We know Mahomes knows this and excels at this because we've watched him do it.

This isn't the first time the O line has allowed a ton of pressure. It isn't the first time we needed to employ a quick passing game or to run the football more. It was a coaching failure, an O line failure, and a Mahomes failure. The answers were right there but we did not take advantage of them and we did not adapt to the situation.

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This is the sign of a healthy and talented coaching staff. Absolutely nobody has interest in our offensive coaches.

They didn’t get blown out but that definitely is worse than what we just went through. We won 15 games but 13 of those wins came by one score. We clearly had some issues throughout the season.

That Pats team got beat by lil bro from the division.

I think that was actually the Jets’ last playoff win lol

I won’t pretend to know the inner workings of the NFL coaching cycle but I’d dock our offensive coaching staff based purely on the fact that we have a HoF coach and QB combo.

It’s like signing a mid WR who played with an elite QB in FA.

Those guys basically never do well in their new environment.

I made that meme, noob.

Evaluators saw the true offense in week 17 with Wentz and realized the Chiefs offense is absolute shit w/o Mahomes. Also, NO ONE knows what our OC actually does, every time you go after Nagy for the poor statistical performances of the offense (compared to prior few years) since his arrival a couple years ago people defend Nagy and say that is Reid's fault. I think the one thing EB did at the very limited duties of the OC w/ the Chiefs was bring accountability and a lot more discipline.

Also, EB was a former RB, I wonder if we would have abandoned the run like we did in the SB with him on the sidelines, again just not sure the power the OC has w/ the Chiefs to make decisions.

The logic is not flawed...The Texans are not stout up the middle. They only have good end rushers. Like JJ Watt said the Chiefs could compensate if one or the other element was the case, meaning if the team had good end rushers or good interior line play. The Eagles had both, and that's why there was a total collapse on the left side of KC's OL.
When you really think about it, you could see it coming. I know that I was very concerned about facing the Eagles front 4 with a make-shift left side of the OL, just like I was against Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl. Said so in numerous threads. The Chiefs should have been also. Maybe they really didnt have a better plan. Maybe the Tackles were really THAT bad so they had to stick with was not working. I still can't believe that's what they did. If I were getting my ass kicked that badly, I'd try anything. I think they should have also. Just my opinion.

-OL sacks, pressures and hits were highest of Mahomes era this year.
-5 LT’s last 2 years
-26 WR drops last year
-Justin Watson highest snap count in WR room last 2 years
-Least explosive RB room in NFL. Only 17 plays of 10+ yards for RB’s
-Kelce declining, not a consistent every week TE anymore
-Rice, Pacheco and Hollywood out most of the season

Idk what you guys expect any coach to do with this. It’s actually insane we got as far as we did with this big of a talent issue

Yep. It finally caught up with them. And it took a perfect storm situation where it was just massive strength against glaring weakness, to make it all come tumbling down. And every other problem became instantly overwhelming.

No shit. They cant win on the road. Wasn't the Miami spread close even when bettors knew it was going to be cold as shit? Then on the road for the first time. Bettors had us as beatable and this was the year the Bills take us down. Then we beat them and the conversation turns into this is the Ravens year to beat us down. We owned them on the road. Great playoff run.

I'm glad to see you've come around since "doing something else" IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

5-0, 97 points a game, yadda yadda yadda, because they recognized they had a guard at LT and a shitty backup LG and played accordingly. Then they took what had been working, flushed it down the shitter, and tried to play like they had Roaf and Waters in there.

And when it didn't work (shock!), instead of going back to what HAD worked, they just ran around ****ing goats and chickens and tried to salvage the hopeless shitty plan they started with.

Put Andy in a bowl cut and overalls because he went full Simple Jack.

I guess my question is this. Do you think any other coach can do better than what Andy has done in the last 7 years? Do you think he should be replaced?

Five, HaHa, Five Lamar Hunt Trophies. Seven, boo boo, seven years ago was Zero

1. These increased lower body hits are going to take a toll, if they haven't already.

2. When Mahomes doesn't believe in his protection -- whether justified or not -- he plays at his worst.

3. Outside of Kingsley developing enough for year two or a short-term stopgap in a more fully healed Humphries, I have no idea what the plan it to rectify the situation.

One of our biggest issues is probably that Andy Reid is such a good coach that he masked a lot of our issues for so long. It was only time before he was unmasked. I imagine most people's sentiment is that this was a good transition point for us to stop bandaiding problems and start addressing them head on.andy is still the best in the business but this will give some extra motivation and fire to get creative and aggressive instead finding ways to make things work.

Veach mahomes and Reid are gonna be on a mission and I don't envy anyone in their path

No they didn't.

For instance, the first two plays of the game were RPOs. Mahomes didn't hand the ball off when the running lane was there for 5+ yards.

Later on they called a max protect play with a deep shot but Mahomes didn't pull the trigger.

You insist on putting all the blame on the coaching staff when no amount of coaching was going to change the outcome. The Chiefs just ran into a superior team where they couldn't hide their warts enough on a day when the QB also chose to shit his pants.

This is the most pervasive, and annoying ****ing question that comes up any time valid and deserved criticism is leveled at Andy Reid.

Criticism of a ****ing horrible gameplan in the biggest game of his life does not equal FIRE ANDY REID.

We all enjoy and recognize the 7 straight AFCCG games, and 5 Superbowl appearances, but listen up asshole. All that past accomplishment does not absolve Andy of having 2 weeks to prepare, and putting forth quite possibly the absolute WORST ganeplan of his NFL coaching career, and following it up on Superbowl Sunday with ZERO adjustments to personnel, or playcalling.

Can any other coach do better over the last 7 years? Maybe. Andy wasn't really impressing anyone in post season pre Mahomes.

Could any other coach do better on the day of Superbowl LIX,?Im pretty sure a 10 year old Madden player could've done a better job that day, let alone one of the other 30 coaches sitting home and watching Andy put yet another hilariously impressive loss on his resume.


Doesn't mean we want Andy fired. It means we recognize the guy shit his pants in the post season again.

Anybody coming out in defense of what he put together for that game is just a simple blinded Andy fanboy.

You can appreciate what he's done, and still call out a braindead level coaching job.

Setting a lavash penthouse, realizing the very recent years in the outhouse. Isn't a bad attitude to take

Edit: We are the new rich, growing pains are our path

Two plays?! Wowie! Neato!

How many were called the rest of the game?

You have to get ahold of yourself.

A coaching staff comprised of Andy Reid, Vince Lombardi, Bill Belichick and Tom Landry couldn't have won this game. The Chiefs just didn't have the players.

They tried to run several RPOs. i don't have an exact snapcount or percentage of plays, but they only ran 44 plays to begin with. but I just watched the A-22 a few days ago, and they did run several more RPOs after the first series. the problem was that PHI-D sat on most of those plays, expecting a WR screen or other quick read play.

It does seem like every Sb has been a real slog.

On the first two RPOs of the game Mahomes could have handed the ball off for 5+ yard gains easy.

The coaching staff can't account for a completely screwed up day from the QB.

It was 10-0 and then he threw a terrible pick on a pass that never would have been completed.

Mahomes has the largest amount of blame for this loss.

Not winning is one thing. Being down 34-0 is another.

The Commanders turned the ball over a zillion times and even they weren't down 34-0 to the Eagles.

Do you think Buffalo would have played a competitive game against the Eagles? If we didn't have the players as you put it, we shouldn't have beaten Buffalo either.

On paper, the Chiefs are a top 5 NFL team with talent. The Eagles may be number 1 but they're not that far ahead that this game was unwinnable from the opening whistle. We beat an arguably better Eagles team several years ago with a weaker overall Chiefs roster.

The Chiefs just played like they expected a coronation while the Eagles came ready for a fight. The coaching staff looked unprepared. Mahomes looked unprepared. It was ugly. But we're not TCU playing Georgia. It shouldn't have gone down like that.

Those teams have offensive lines that far outclass ours.

The Chiefs just ran into a bad matchup and it was compounded by lousy QB play. Accept it.

We had three All Pro linemen play the entire season, including this game.

Aren't two of the Commanders linemen our former castoffs?

The Chiefs were weak at LT and LG, and the RG was outclassed by an elite DT.

Accept it. No coaching calculus existed to overcome these obstacles, especially on the road with a pro-Eagles crowd.

It wasn’t even a particularly bad matchup. Our guys just didn’t come to play.

Cheered on in one stadium of 70 odd thousand. Jeered on tv, radio and social media. Sportsshrink will explain

It shouldn't have been a blowout, I agree.

But is that an indictment? Because that seems to be what some of you guys are suggesting. It's really odd.

I like Thuney, but as a LT he can hold up against a speed rusher but has problems against a bull rush. The eagles basically had the perfect matchup.

Yep. They had overwhelming advantages at our weakest points. It was enough to wreck the game, and it did. I knew going in we were gonna get killed on the left side, and thatvSmith was going to have his hands full with Carter. Thats why I thought the only chance we had was to go with Thuney at Guard, that way we'd kind of have our strengths against theirs, but the coaches didn't see it that way. That tells me that Andy thought the other options at LT were terrible. But man, if I were in position to do anything I would have moved Thuney back to G in game and taken my chances.

It's an indictment of that game plan and performance. It doesn't erase any prior accomplishments or call for sweeping changes in coaching and personnel. That being said, the offense has been unprepared in the first half of all five Super Bowls. You can't always start slow and expect to make adjustments and comebacks. They need to reevaluate their preparation for Super Bowls if hopefully they make it back again.

The Chiefs weren't winning this game and no amount of coaching was gonna change that.

Reminds of the 2015 loss to the Patriots.

Alex Smith wasn't going to pull that off, but some were blaming Andy.

Alex was throwing to Avant, Wilson, Conley, Maclin's corpse and wet-behind-the-ears Kelce, and handing it to West.

It was a miracle the Chiefs were even in that game.

Revisionist history.

Chiefs were tied 10-10 with SF.

2020 there was no way to tell if that team was prepared or not with that OL, and all the damn drops.

2022 they were prepared fine. Scored on the first two drives, then Mahomes missed a wide open MVS deep.

2023 they looked like they were trying to find the right combination early and when they finally did it stuck.

It's an oversimplication to say the Chiefs were unprepared in any of these games, especially with so many errors in execution.

How do you make these arguments with a straight face?

There's no comparison between the 2015 Chiefs and the 2024 Chiefs. This team finished 15-2, were two time defending Champions and have Patrick Mahomes.

Incidentally, the 2015 Chiefs never trailed the Patriots by five TDs.

The offense has scored 26 points in five Super Bowls in the first half with Mahomes. That's a fact. They didn't score twice in 2022 in the first half. One of those was a defensive TD.

That's just over 5 points per game in the first half.

That's called being unprepared to start games.

Exactly.

People act like things cannot be mutually exclusive. Andy shit the bed in this Super Bowl by not making adjustments to the lineup and the game plan, it's really that simple. That doesn't take away anything else he's accomplished nor mean we all want him fired.

Yup. And this time it bit us in the ass because the hole was too deep. And there were no adjustments made at any point to save the sinking ship

Over-simplification. You can't just lump all the games together like that.

I'd say they were unprepared in the last two. The other three are a mixed bag.

Five games in six years is a good sample size.

But it was different every time. You are trying to find a common theme across five games with different opponents and assign that meaning to a single game. It just doesn't work. The only reason you're doing it is because you are desperate to blame coaching for some reason.

Unprepared despite your pregame comments about how the Chiefs were going to smoke the Eagles? You love playing both sides don’t you?

Sod off.

Written in stone, forever, will be that Andy Reid was absolutely humiliated by Nick Sirianni on the cusp of NFL immortality.

Worse, a defense run by a defensive coordinator that was previously 0-8 against Patrick Mahomes absolutely dismantled every single solitary facet of Andy "greatest play designer/play caller in football" Reids fever dream of a gameplan.

Hey listen. Maybe moving Joe back inside and putting the towel boy in at LT would have had no positive effect. The issue to everyone watching, is that you didn't even try, and your sideline demeanor suggested that you weren't particularly motivated to try to fix anything.

At least if you made token changes, and it kept imploding, the fanbase could at least see that you tried to do something different.

The plan was horseshit from the jump. No designed running of the football. Option for your super competitive killer qb to either hand off, or put tge ball in his hands with all the pressure to win this on him.

Mahomes is NEVER willingly giving up that football. Perhaps to his detriment. Call the God damn run. ****ing commit.

6 carries combined by 2 backs against a ferocious pass rushing d line with a patchwork o line wasn't going to be great to start with, but then also completely excluding your quick game? No hot reads?

It's this type of shit that get the rigged community going. How can a guy that has coached over 2 decades, have this amazing run of success, and then just walk out to the sideline and perform like he's in a diabetic ****ing coma the past 2 weeks?

It's easily the most horrible loss of Andy's career.

Eh, you're not wrong.

But I also would guess he (along with the rest of us) probably knew there wasn't much to adjust.

The NFL preaches parity. Three for five, keeps the dream alive

How do you throw "hot reads" when teams aren't blitzing?

Throw it quick to the guy that's covered?

Thats right. I COMPLETELY forgot that you only put in safety valve routes on plays called in the huddle when the other team has the ref announce to the stadium that they're blitzing the next play.

You'd never just have one when your qb is running for his life at the snap of the football on EVERY SINGLE PASS ATTEMPT.

Yeah you just run the 3-4 second patterns exclusively right?

Poor babies didn't get their way.

Well...it would appear we did have alot of short breaking routes.....that got sat on.

Then we couldn't block long enough for the longer stuff to work. So I'm not sure what the next element of surprise woulda been.