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Chiefs discussing Thuney trade [confirmed]
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=357374)
The Trey Smith franchise tag makes sense now.
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While that would be nice, truth be told, we don’t need it. We need Orlando Brown level play. The most important thing to me to get out of the LT isn’t even necessarily their play on the field. It’s if Patrick mentally trusts them. OBJr was far from perfect, but he was serviceable and Patrick trusted him and rarely lost his head like he has in so many games the last couple years. I think when evaluating OBJr we underestimated Pat’s trust in him when assessing his overall value. If Pat trusts the LT, the offense functions and often at a very high level. When he doesn’t, we get headcase Pat and the offense is a mess. Gotta simply get someone in here that Pat has confidence in. I see no reason why Robinson can’t be that guy. |
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Gotta say. I love what Ben Johnson is doing in Chicago already. Most sacked and pressured QB in the NFL by far last year and he goes out and gets Jonah Jackson and Joe Thuney to immediately make that OL much better. Top 10 pick Darnell Wright was only solid OL at RT last year.
He’ll probably try to get Campbell or Membou in the first rd to bolster that line more like they had in Detroit. Could totally see him snag TreVeyon Henderson in rd 2 to be his new Jahmyr Gibbs chess piece. I’m buying Caleb Williams and Bears stock. Bears might be back. NFC North is gonna be hella fun to watch next year. |
Damnit! NOOOOOOOOOOO!
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If you all want the turnstile that is Cam Robinson, I sincerely hope it's a contract that's no more than the 2/30 that Jonah Williams got in signing with the Cardinals. I want absolutely ****ing nothing to do with seeing Cam Robinson here but whatever. I don't get paid to make those choices, and if that's what it is I'll have to swallow it.
Please go for an LT in the draft if we sign this turd though. Gives the young guy a year to develop with no real pressure on him before taking over in 2026. |
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If the Chiefs put Creed Humphrey up for trade the offer they would get is probably right about what they spent on his draft pick. |
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He has all the tools. He was thrown into a terrible spot last year with a joke of a line and a lame duck defensive head coach. We’ll see how good he really is this year. |
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But having to trade a pick to pay someone is something that immediately lowers value unless dude is all world teams don't like doing that. |
And I know people have their quibbles with PFF, but their grades match my eye test.
He was nothing resembling good, and was downright BAD in the playoffs. Regular season: 64.7 overall (56th out of 141 OT's) 70.4 passing (49th of 141) 59.9 rushing (75th of 141) Playoffs: 51.2 overall (34th of 40 OT's) 39.5 passing (35th of 40) 60.7 rushing (17th of 40) Joe Thuney graded out better. |
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Also if he walks at the end of the 2025 season, that means a 2027 3rd rounder. And it could get canceled out by acquiring a free agent. |
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If you don't like the trade, you're not factoring in the money. The Titans had to pay Sneed and give up a quality pick. They didn't intend to do that. |
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Hell, I'm one of the few that think it's gonna be a wildcard. We have limited resources - Veach has flat out said the output needs to match the money, they aren't just gonna throw money around to fill a need. Read: I'm not paying Cam Robinson $20M per for 3 years when I can get the same production or 80-90% of it for way less and be able to grab another asset. I'll gladly eat crow if I'm wrong - but I'd be absolutely shocked to see us get in a bidding war for Stanley or Robinson with teams with virtually unlimited cap space. I personally don't think there's much of a difference between Stanley/Robinson and the 2nd tier, especially when you factor in money and injury history. We'll see what Veach thinks in the coming days/weeks. |
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It's time for a bit of a reset we all knew this was coming. In the past the Chiefs hadn't been a team to pay older players they made some exceptions going for the 3 peat, time to get younger again.
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He was 37th out of 40 LTs and 71st out of 76 OTs in Pressure % He was 35th out of 40 LTs and 69th out of 76 OTs in Negative Play % That aligns pretty well with their Grades and the entirety really puts him in backup territory as a player. |
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Kingsley is an elite LT prospect, he's just raw. This is weird. I really think they used him at G to get him some game snapyis all. |
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Dude got ABUSED. 12 pressures and a sack allowed. 51.2 overall 39.5 passing Rushing grade isn't listed in the article. |
Also is this a move so they can pay Bolton?
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The left tackle problem is a tough one and a more pressing need than most for me because it’s a problem that has cascading effects that diminishes the value of a lot of other players on the roster. Poor LT play is diminishing Mahomes value because he isn’t able to play up to his massive contract when he doesn’t trust the tackle, runs around like a maniac and doesn’t see the field. When that causes Mahomes to play below his value it subsequently causes guys like Worthy to lose value when Patrick can’t get them the ball because he’s too busy bailing on pockets and dropping his eyes to see him streaking open downfield. When you add all that up, all of a sudden you’re losing a TON of value on offense because one position is a mess. I guess I’m not breaking any new information here, but it does illustrate how imperative it is that we fix this this offseason, or at least stabilize it to where the offense can function. |
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If you look at the entire picture, salary cap, the hole at left tackle, it's probably the right move to make. On the surface you can understand people's surprise. |
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My belief is that very few people here are going to be happy with his solution. |
I will say this. I'd love to see them flip that pick next year to get a 5th this year and double dip at RB.
Can you imagine if we got Dylan Sampson and Damien Martinez? Or Tuten and Gordon? |
All this fuss about who to go after on OL. Get a blocking TE and RB that can help on the edges and balance the offense.....takes a lot of pressure off of whoever is going to fill that LT spot
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I agree, I don't think the Chiefs want a rookie LT and Suamataia on the left side. Signing a guy like Smith allow them to go into the draft and take the best talent. If a LT falls, take him, if its NT in round 1, take him. In this draft I just think they have to walk about with a DT, RB, and CB in their first four picks. If the other pick in the top 100 is a OT, S, LB, whatever, fine. I just don't want them to go in limited, and I don't want to go in to next season with what we basically had last season at LT. |
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It would really suck to not be able to take someone like Burden or Starks because we have to fill a need. |
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Unless there is a cut that they know about or a trade...these LT free agents are less than exciting. I could see Robinson being a stop gap, but not much more... also is he better than a healthy humphries? Smith?
I dunno. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out. |
yep. as said before - veach was not going to play the tag game with trey if he didn't think the dice would roll his way.
get a deal done with trey. net a 4th. keep the younger asset. profit. what a great start to the off-season man. best mother ****ing GM in football and he's ours. |
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He's an above average pass blocking LT who's going to get paid like an elite one. The contract will suck - the player will not. He'll be fine. An upgrade over anything we've had there since Fisher. |
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The more I look around I think DJ is coming back on the cheap - Spotrac had his market value at like $2M - and he's self-repped, or way off the grid with a signing or trade we're not expecting. |
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It is all mute anyway.. |
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Boltons 24 years old it's hard for me to think they don't want a second contract there.
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Tyler Booker and Gary Zabel are late first round guards who could come in a be day one starters if they decide to go that route
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They drafted 3 OL last year and kept a UDFA I don't think they can realistically take another interior lineman in round 1.
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Wow. Busy morning and look what happens.
To me, it doesn't really change the Chiefs options, which are either (1) signing Cam Robinson or (2) signing a couple of options (i.e. something like signing Humphries and trying to resurrect Wills' career, or signing Humphries AND Jaylon Moore). I've leaned more towards them doing option 2 when thinking about this before the trade, but it does seem to make (1) more likely. |
Keep Bolton or use that money on a Cooper Kupp for a year or 2? I'm leaning towards the first option
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Remeber when they signed Taylor...."as NFL Network's James Palmer reported, Taylor will likely shift from RT to LT in Kansas City, filling the spot previously occupied by Brown"
I guess that idea is dead...otherwise it would have made more sense to move him to LT and Morris to RT than Thuney at LT. |
Youth. Production. Explosiveness. That’s what they need to add in FA.
Would bring back Hollywood first which they have indicated. I’d bring back Juju as the Rice replacement who knows the system but only for a short time in a limited role while Rice is out. They brought in Tyquan Thornton who I think can be a nice depth piece with elite speed. I’d also add Christian Kirk who was just cut. Should be a nice 1 year rebuild deal. Then I’d add a guy in the draft. We can’t go into this year with bad depth anymore. Justin Watson, Justyn Ross, Skyy Moore, washed Hopkins. They need juice and depth at receiver and RB. |
Why are we getting a 2026 4th round pick for Thuney....are we going to trade that pick to move up this year or is it because he is getting up there in years?
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One of the things that isn't talked about much is if you are gonna pick at the end of the 1st the real sweet spot position there is WR.
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Also. It is caleb williams. Good chance that pick will be top 5 of the round.
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This week is seeing a lot of moves....a lot of cap space being cleared by practically everyone. Christian Kirk, Tyler Lockett today....and I am betting that it is not the last of what we will see even today.
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One of the more irritating aspects of recuperating from surgery is watching all of the Mock Drafts being put out there....
I saw one earlier today that had us thinking of taking Luther Burden because he would drop to us. I will say this for most of the Mock Drafts...they point to us taking a lineman with the first pick or a CB/Safety. |
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You can flip out of those guys with a year left for more picks too. They’re basically a form of currency anymore. |
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I'm betting they move than future 4th to get a 5th and grab someone they think is sliding. Otherwise they're going a long time without picks. In effect we'll have traded Thuney for the pick we gave up for Hopkins and a little change. |
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Thuney has a history of carrying his teams to the Super Bowl, so it looks like we'll be playing the Bears next year.
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This is the year to take a DL from this incredible class. This DL class is comparable to 2016 and 2019 DL classes and someone will fall. That’s how we got Chris Jones. It should be how we try to get the next centerpiece on the DL to eventually replace him. |
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