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Chiefshrink 02-22-2009 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5517084)
If you want the best, you get the best. Given how important the LT position is, if Monroe or Smith grade out very high relative to other tackles, why wouldn't you want the best in the business?

Christ, for all the people talking about "taking risks", you guys sure play the draft completely by the book.
Thankyou :thumb::thumb::thumb:

milkman 02-22-2009 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5517092)
Giants did draft Phillp Rivers.
Before the draft, Manning was considered the best QB prospect by a wide margin.

The difference between the top LTs in this draft, as Hamas has already pointed out, is razor thin.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5517084)
The Giants traded up for Eli Manning when they could have easily taken Philip Rivers in a draft class that was one of the deepest QB classes of all time. If you want the best, you get the best. Given how important the LT position is, if Monroe or Smith grade out very high relative to other tackles, why wouldn't you want the best in the business?

Christ, for all the people talking about "taking risks", you guys sure play the draft completely by the book.
Matt Light
Max Starks
David Diehl

vs.

Willie Pace
Walter Jones
Anthony Munoz


The top 3 played the 2nd most position on the 0, and won the Super Bowl. The bottom 3 are among the 5 greatest to ever play their position, and have won 0.

Which position is more important?

Why might the Giants want to trade up in their situation?

Rivers had huge ?s surrounding his sidearm/funky throwing motion. Eli Manning was as polished of a product as you'd find.

You don't need an elite LT to win a Super Bowl. Hell, he doesn't even have to be anything more than good. You need a franchise QB to win the Super Bowl, and that's why NY made their move.

DeezNutz 02-22-2009 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5517099)
Before the draft, Manning was considered the best QB prospect by a wide margin.

The difference between the top LTs in this draft, as Hamas has already pointed out, is razor thin.
Hell, the top prospect by many accounts just shit all over himself this weekend.

Chiefshrink 02-22-2009 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5517102)
Hell, the top prospect by many accounts just shit all over himself this weekend.
Yes he did but don't be surprised if he is still the 1st taken he is 'that' good. You play that card if he is there and you know you don't want him.

Chiefshrink 02-22-2009 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5517101)
Matt Light
Max Starks
David Diehl

vs.

Willie Pace
Walter Jones
Anthony Munoz


The top 3 played the 2nd most position on the 0, and won the Super Bowl. The bottom 3 are among the 5 greatest to ever play their position, and have won 0.

Which position is more important?

Why might the Giants want to trade up in their situation?

Rivers had huge ?s surrounding his sidearm/funky throwing motion. Eli Manning was as polished of a product as you'd find.

You don't need an elite LT to win a Super Bowl. Hell, he doesn't even have to be anything more than good. You need a franchise QB to win the Super Bowl, and that's why KC made their move.
Willie Anderson or Orlando Pace?

chiefzilla1501 02-22-2009 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5517090)
1 cover backer taken in the top 3 in the last 20 years, and people are not only going to draft him at 3, but trade up to draft him at 3, and make him the highest paid LB in the league? :spock:

1 team in the top 11 runs a 3-4 and needs a NT. No one is trading their whole draft for BJ Raji.

No one is trading up to 3 for a 6'1" WR with a broken foot and speed ?s who comes from a spread offense, and Jeremy Maclin isn't going anywhere near 3.
But again. Why are we so stuck on this idea that a team has to give up their entire draft to move up to a top 3 in a weak draft class and reluctantly take a guy they knew they could get 4 or 5 spots down? ESPECIALLY when there are maybe 3 or 4 guys that you would be fairly equally happy with?

I don't get it. If you don't like either Sanchez or Stafford, chances are that if you trade down to 5 or 6, you probably still get a guy you highly covet. And you get picks on the side.

Again, for a board that keeps complaining about never taking risks, I don't understand why there is such a fear to move a little away from the draft chart if you don't like what you have on your plate. Can I again bring up that the only trade into the top 3, Rivers-Eli only happened because San Diego knocked off a huge chunk of trade compensation value? Think San Diego regrets that trade? I sure don't. The Giants don't either.

Pioli Zombie 02-22-2009 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5517014)
I think it's time to just torch this ****ing thread. You three are goddamned idiots.
instead of swearing at people perhaps you would like to actually add something to the football conversation
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Chiefshrink 02-22-2009 09:51 PM
If I'm a betting man which I am not but if forced to I would say either we will take Curry or trade down at this point. And please fellow Chieftains who are sooooooooooooo desperate for QB pick with our 3rd pick pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease don't be surprised if Pioli trades down or takes Curry.

DeezNutz 02-22-2009 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5517119)
Again, for a board that keeps complaining about never taking risks, I don't understand why there is such a fear to move a little away from the draft chart if you don't like what you have on your plate. Can I again bring up that the only trade into the top 3, Rivers-Eli only happened because San Diego knocked off a huge chunk of trade compensation value? Think San Diego regrets that trade? I sure don't. The Giants don't either.
This is a terrible example to use to prove anything.

Manning told the people in that organization to go **** themselves. They possessed zero leverage, and thus this was a special case.

milkman 02-22-2009 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5517121)
instead of swearing at people perhaps you would like to actually add something to the football conversation
Posted via Mobile Device
Oh....The irony.

milkman 02-22-2009 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsshrink (Post 5517125)
If I'm a betting man which I am not but if forced to I would say either we will take Curry or trade down at this point. And please fellow Chieftains who are sooooooooooooo desperate for QB pick with our 3rd pick pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease don't be surprised if Pioli trades down or takes Curry.
You should bet your life savings.

Chiefshrink 02-22-2009 09:54 PM
Hey what about Max Unger with our 2nd rd pick if he is there?

Pioli Zombie 02-22-2009 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5517068)
Or maybe I can send him to Kansas to **** your old lady in the ass while I make you watch, and then knock your teeth down your ****ing throat for shits and giggles afterwards!

How'd THAT be, mother****er?
Uncle Leo????
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milkman 02-22-2009 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsshrink (Post 5517130)
Hey what about Max Unger with our 2nd rd pick if he is there?
We should trade down for more picks.


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