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DeezNutz 10-15-2009 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac (Post 6175365)
ok...that's fine.

Romo is a terrific QB...he is much better than Carson Palmer. He will continue to prove how great he is over the years...when it's all said and done...he'll have HOF consideration...especially if he wins a Super Bowl...and we know Jerry Jones will always do whatever he can to give him the weapons he needs to do so.

How Romo gets such a bad wrap is beyond me. He had a bad game against the Giants this year and the friggin' wheels fell off some how.
Whether it's entirely accurate or not, the perception that Romo is soft has become reality. This is why you get crowds with Jessica ****ing Simpson masks because the fans think this type of stupid shit can actually rattle him.

Romo was a solid FF QB last year, and that's about it.

I do agree, however, that he's in a great situation with an owner who will do anything to win. The problem, however, is that it works both ways. If Romo doesn't elevate his game, Jones won't hesitate to replace his ass.

I'd bet on the latter.

HemiEd 10-15-2009 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac (Post 6175243)
well...who's MVP of that team...Odom or Benson? It's certainly not Palmer. One or two good drives a game, regardless of when they happen, doesn't make you a top tier NFL QB.

Palmer might be the 12th best QB in the NFL...sure, I am impressed he has stayed injury free thus far and has only been sacked 10 or 11 times...(which is low for him)...but you can't tell me that Benson coming out of nowhere and carring the ball 111 times and totally dominating the Ravens on the ground doesn't make him AT LEAST equally, if not more, valuable than Palmer.

If Cassel had a horse like that peeling off 4.5 YPC 25-30 times a game...I think he'd have a lot more time to make plays to receivers that were actually OPEN.
Bears fans are puking at what Benson is doing, especially with Forte not getting off to a fast start this season.

I always felt they gave up on him a little quickly.

DeezNutz 10-15-2009 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 6175384)
Bears fans are puking at what Benson is doing, especially with Forte not getting off to a fast start this season.

I always felt they gave up on him a little quickly.
Forte isn't being used appropriately.

So much of his productivity last year was from short passes and such; he's not getting that this year.

Unintended consequence of the Cutler acquisition.

Coach 10-15-2009 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac (Post 6175365)
ok...that's fine.

Romo is a terrific QB...he is much better than Carson Palmer. He will continue to prove how great he is over the years...when it's all said and done...he'll have HOF consideration...especially if he wins a Super Bowl...and we know Jerry Jones will always do whatever he can to give him the weapons he needs to do so.

How Romo gets such a bad wrap is beyond me. He had a bad game against the Giants this year and the friggin' wheels fell off some how.
Obviously you have forgotten the botched snap against the Seahawks in the 2007 playoffs.

Obviously you have also forgotten the intercepted pass that he threw against the Giants in the 2008 playoffs. IIRC, that also the incident where he spent a "vacation" with Jessica Simpson before the Giants game.

That ended well, didn't it?

Hootie 10-15-2009 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6175393)
Obviously you have forgotten the botched snap against the Seahawks in the 2007 playoffs.

Obviously you have also forgotten the intercepted pass that he threw against the Giants in the 2008 playoffs. IIRC, that also the incident where he spent a "vacation" with Jessica Simpson before the Giants game.

That ended well, didn't it?
That INT was on a 4th and long with like 6 seconds to go...a desperation heave into the end zone ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

I already referenced both of these "choke jobs"...and wonder how either is considered a choke job, considering Romo was the only Cowboys player who played well against the Giants that year.

If Romo choked against the Giants that year...Brady had the biggest choke job of all time in that Super Bowl. All time.

Mecca 10-15-2009 07:20 PM
What's funny is Tony Romo plays on a team with alot more talent than Palmer does...in the clutch Palmer has delivered while Romo hasn't.

The Cowboys were a superbowl favorite last year and choked, they lost to the Giants this year because of Tony Romo.

ChiefsCountry 10-15-2009 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6175374)
why because he was a #1?
Mainly bc he was a first round pick. Only one UDFA has one a Super Bowl and that is Kurt Warner. You just have to play the odds - Brady, Montana are rarity's not the rule.

WilliamTheIrish 10-15-2009 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6175393)
Obviously you have forgotten the botched snap against the Seahawks in the 2007 playoffs.

Obviously you have also forgotten the intercepted pass that he threw against the Giants in the 2008 playoffs. IIRC, that also the incident where he spent a "vacation" with Jessica Simpson before the Giants game.

That ended well, didn't it?
Actually, in that Giants game, Romo was victimized by a huge drop on a crossing pattern by Crayton (I think) that may have resulted in a TD. The game is a littel sketchy in my memory though.

And ya know those opportunities to win it all don't come around very often. Romo has had two very good chances, but fate has intervened. It's entirely possible that the window of fate for him has been shut.

Coach 10-15-2009 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 6175427)
Actually, in that Giants game, Romo was victimized by a huge drop on a crossing pattern by Crayton (I think) that may have resulted in a TD. The game is a littel sketchy in my memory though.

And ya know those opportunities to win it all don't come around very often. Romo has had two very good chances, but fate has intervened. It's entirely possible that the window of fate for him has been shut.
My point being is, as I said in my earlier post, Romo is the Schottenheimer of QB's in the NFL. Even if Romo had a good game, there'll be a way that will vicitimize him, such as a dropped pass, or a muffed snap, etc.

Just like Schottenheimer. The Drive. The Fumble. The kicker who shall not be named.

Successful in the regular season, but come around playoff time... :shake:

HemiEd 10-15-2009 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6175389)
Forte isn't being used appropriately.

So much of his productivity last year was from short passes and such; he's not getting that this year.

Unintended consequence of the Cutler acquisition.
That makes sense, I will have to watch the next game with that perspective in mind.

Mecca 10-15-2009 07:32 PM
Romo usually starts fading before the playoffs, usually as soon as late November and December roll around that's it.

SAUTO 10-15-2009 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6175405)
What's funny is Tony Romo plays on a team with alot more talent than Palmer does...in the clutch Palmer has delivered while Romo hasn't.

The Cowboys were a superbowl favorite last year and choked, they lost to the Giants this year because of Tony Romo.
ummm palmer had two of the BEST WRs in the game at his disposal for his whole career until this season. thats a fact.

SAUTO 10-15-2009 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6175419)
Mainly bc he was a first round pick. Only one UDFA has one a Super Bowl and that is Kurt Warner. You just have to play the odds - Brady, Montana are rarity's not the rule.
i know that, as of right now they are on equal footing IMO, both are starting QBs in the nfl. it's a team game no one player can will a team there

Mecca 10-15-2009 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6175454)
ummm palmer had two of the BEST WRs in the game at his disposal for his whole career until this season. thats a fact.
And a horrendous defense and a RB that wouldn't even be 3rd on the Dallas depth chart...

Their defense is improved now but they still don't have a RB comparable to Dallas, Benson wouldn't make that roster. Chad is better than all of the Dallas WR's but Witten is far better than any TE there...plus Dallas has a much better line.

If you were just going team for team Dallas has more talent, they're just a team that doesn't play like it....

SAUTO 10-15-2009 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6175461)
And a horrendous defense and a RB that wouldn't even be 3rd on the Dallas depth chart...

Their defense is improved now but they still don't have a RB comparable to Dallas, Benson wouldn't make that roster. Chad is better than all of the Dallas WR's but Witten is far better than any TE there...plus Dallas has a much better line.

If you were just going team for team Dallas has more talent, they're just a team that doesn't play like it....
this makes my point about this being a TEAM game. and i only talked about palmer's WRs and during his career he's had two of the best in the NFL in ocho and housh. what does the defense have to do with palmer delivering in the clutch?


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