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BossChief 12-16-2009 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6352432)
would you rethink that after seeing.....oh....say....1 pass of over 30 yards by Mr. Cassel?

That Crabtree guy would look awfully good right now in Red n Gold...

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-16-2009 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6352439)
The only problem I had with Maclin is he always seemed to get hurt at MU and he has been hurt a couple times already this year.
Always "hurt".

Dude blew out his ACL at MU as a true freshman. Other than that, he never missed a game.

Yes, he left last week's game with plantar fasciitis.

If he doesn't play this week it'll be his first missed action due to injury since his freshman year of college when suffering a catastrophic knee injury.

He's a regular Yatil Green, that guy.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-16-2009 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6352450)
would you rethink that after seeing.....oh....say....1 pass of over 30 yards by Mr. Cassel?

That Crabtree guy would look awfully good right now in Red n Gold...
Absolutely not.

Maclin made a career at Mizzou with a limp armed QB.

He'd be the perfect compliment for this passing game b/c of his game breaking ability. Every time you throw a short pass to him it's like giving the ball to a PR in space.

dirk digler 12-16-2009 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6352451)
Always "hurt".

Dude blew out his ACL at MU as a true freshman. Other than that, he never missed a game.

Yes, he left last week's game with plantar fasciitis.

If he doesn't play this week it'll be his first missed action due to injury since his freshman year of college when suffering a catastrophic knee injury.

He's a regular Yatil Green, that guy.
It maybe perception more than reality. Ever time I watched him the last 2 years he always seemed to get up gimpy in games and sit out a few plays. It just seemed like he was dinged up all the time.

Also for some reason I thought he missed some time earlier this season but I guess I was wrong.

BossChief 12-16-2009 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6352440)
I don't think that limiting the offensive weapons to what the present QB is comfortable with or capable of is a very good long term plan for building a great football team.
Why?

That doesn't make sense.

Are you saying that Maclin will be a better player and more valuable to his teams success than Crabtree? If so, its ok, I do disagree though.

You can watch Crabtree play and he has that "it" factor.

I think he will be a all pro.

Maclin hasnt showed that so far. IMO

Extra Point 12-16-2009 04:23 PM
Here's an excuse: 150% improvement in our record, vs. last season! WOOT!

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-16-2009 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6352473)
Why?

That doesn't make sense.

Are you saying that Maclin will be a better player and more valuable to his teams success than Crabtree? If so, its ok, I do disagree though.

You can watch Crabtree play and he has that "it" factor.

I think he will be a all pro.

Maclin hasnt showed that so far. IMO
Yeah, a rookie receiver from a spread offense coming in and giving you a projected 60 catches, 5 TDs and 800 yards is really something to bitch about.

Chiefnj2 12-16-2009 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6352473)
Why?

That doesn't make sense.

Are you saying that Maclin will be a better player and more valuable to his teams success than Crabtree? If so, its ok, I do disagree though.

You can watch Crabtree play and he has that "it" factor.

I think he will be a all pro.

Maclin hasnt showed that so far. IMO
They've lost more games with Crabtree than without Crabtree.

BossChief 12-16-2009 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6352483)
Yeah, a rookie receiver from a spread offense coming in and giving you a projected 60 catches, 5 TDs and 800 yards is really something to bitch about.
They were both from spreads, its just one has a much bigger frame and the other is much faster/quicker

crabtree (Alex Smith/Shaun Hill)

8 games
37 catches
12.8/catch
473 yards
2 tds
59.1 per game

Maclin (McNabb/Kolb)

11
46
623
13.5/catch
4 tds
56.6 per game

They actually match up better than I thought.

Should be interesting to see how their careers play out, as it seems it may be more interesting than how our teams will...:cuss:

I guess I just think that with Cassel obviously cemented in here for a couple more years, Crabtree could have done more for us, I may be wrong

Fish 12-16-2009 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6352473)
Why?

That doesn't make sense.

Are you saying that Maclin will be a better player and more valuable to his teams success than Crabtree? If so, its ok, I do disagree though.

You can watch Crabtree play and he has that "it" factor.

I think he will be a all pro.

Maclin hasnt showed that so far. IMO
I'm not saying I prefer Maclin or Crabtree. I'm saying it's stupid to limit your WR choices to only fit your current QB's strengths.

You're asking them to dumb down or slow down the WRs they draft because at the moment we have a QB incapable of an accurate long ball. Well what happens if Cassel breaks his arm the first game and we insert a QB who prefers the long ball? Then we're stuck with a WR who can't beat his guy because we only signed slow receivers due to the last QB's ineptness.

chiefzilla1501 12-16-2009 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6352419)
Im saying dont put the cart before the horse. Understand how much sense that makes?

When you have a team already built, you can afford to spend on a luxury pick, quick twitch wr. But you dont take that Santonio Holmes that high till you have the Steelers type team...you dont take Percy Harvin till you have a complete team like the Vikings...

Plenty of wideouts gardner a high pick while rebuilding, wrs like Crabtree, Calvin, Fitz, ya know...big guys that are legitimate matchup threats against smaller defenders around the red zone and inside the 10...guys that can develop into great blockers because of their frames, not just a fraile guy that is lightening quick and can beat 1 on 1 matchups.

Maclin would be a nice finishing touch, but wouldnt impact games for us as much as Crabtree of Orakpo could have. IMHO of course...
Completely agree. These guys are more specialists than anything. If we're talking playmakers, I'd much rather the multi-tooled playmaker than the one-dimensional one.

It's like the Nose Tackle position. That's a guy who will give you a big boost, but won't be an every-down player. A pure speed guy is the same way and that's why they usually aren't taken in the top 10. Because you're right, in order to get mileage out of your speed guy, you have to have the QB who can deliver it to him and you have to have the o-line that can give him the time to get off bumps and get open downfield.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-16-2009 04:45 PM
FWIW, Maclin would also be our KR/PR on this team. That can't be ignored.

Just because Desean Jackson is doing it for Philly doesn't mean that Maclin couldn't do it for us.

BossChief 12-16-2009 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6352512)
I'm not saying I prefer Maclin or Crabtree. I'm saying it's stupid to limit your WR choices to only fit your current QB's strengths.

You're asking them to dumb down or slow down the WRs they draft because at the moment we have a QB incapable of an accurate long ball. Well what happens if Cassel breaks his arm the first game and we insert a QB who prefers the long ball? Then we're stuck with a WR who can't beat his guy because we only signed slow receivers due to the last QB's ineptness.
ummmmm what?

Im saying you build to your strengths. Period.

chiefzilla1501 12-16-2009 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6352290)
There are two types of Chiefsplanet forum members:

1. The type of fan who lives in Reality. They see the franchise as it exists outside of the vacuum. They see poor ownership, poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and no direction. They see the flaws and point them out.

2. The type of fan who lives in Fantasy. Regardless of the fact that the Chiefs haven't won a meaningful game in 40 years, missed the playoffs for 15 straight years and haven't won a playoff game in 16 years, the Chiefs can do NO wrong.

I just hope that the Chiefs cheerleaders in Fantasy Land are much hotter than they are in reality.
Members who think the Chiefs can do no right are just as bad as those who think they can do no wrong.

DeezNutz 12-16-2009 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6352553)
ummmmm what?

Im saying you build to your strengths. Period.
And when you don't have any strengths, you take the most talented player at an impact position.


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