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Kozma thanking Pagan right now.

4 runs here, 4 in the 9th?

Yeah - gonna take lots of happy memories away from this ****ing abortion.

Enjoy 2012, BRC.

I know that my lasting image of this utter horseshit will be Pete Kozma doing...well something ****ing awful.

If there has been a positive of this abortion of a series, it's that Rosenthal is a stud and has limitless potential and Miller seems to be putting it together.


Lohse is gone and I can't say I'm real upset about that.


Worse part is how bad our bats went south. Really disappointing.


If I were the GM, I'd be looking to make a big move for an impact SS.

fail

Doesn't really matter how bad Kozma played.
Cards couldn't score 1 damn run

Watch them delay the game and then the squirrels run wild when they resume.

Score 1 run in 3 games, with a chance at a WS berth is pathetic.


Oh well.


It's actually pretty awesome that we are pissed at shit like this. STL Cardinals franchise has set the bar pretty damn high for it's fans and actually strives to stay at that level.

Wow, look at this rain.

Better get a DP fast to end it.

Shitty way to end it, but they got a lot farther than they should have. Congratulations to the Giants.

Cards score 10 runs with 2 out after Giants start slipping and falling down trying to field in the rain.

This is true.

The whole ****ing team wet itself so bad that it's hard to blame any one person for this pathetic collapse.

If there's anyone to blame it's Matheny's slow hook w/ Lance Lynn. If that game doesn't get away, sooner or later Zito would've come apart.

Instead Matheny stared like a deer in the headlights as Lynn again let the game get away and the squad starting gripping the bats too tight.

They never recovered.

It's kind of surreal watching this game being played in a cloudburst.

Call me stupid... but I thought games could be called after the 5th?

Not in the playoffs.

Russ Hodges resurrected

Old dude looks like he is creeping on Erin Andrews. lol

What an awesome game, 6 elimination games in a row.

Congrats Big Daddy! Enjoy the moment. Your team earned it.

TLR's 1st season as Cards manager team wins 88 & loses in Game 7 of NLCS. Matheny's 1st season - 88 wins & Game 7 loss of NLCS

Looks like Verlander for games 1 4 and 7. So if SF wins this thing they definitely earned it.

1995 Cards - 62 wins, 4th place, and 22.5 GB.

2011 Cards - 90 wins, 2nd place, WS champs.

Didn't we lose in similar fashion in 1996 to the Braves after a 3-1 series lead? Ugh, was hoping to relive 2006, not 1996.

Good season for a team that had some questionable pitching.

Matheny - no match against Bochy (sp)
rookie coach with a long way to go when it comes to managing a championship series

Holiday - done and should be gone...way over paid and did not contribute

Craig - what happened to his bat

Freeze - what happened to his bat

Jay - what happend to his bat
(anyone see a theme with this bat thing - kick McQuire to the curb)

Kozma - minor leaguer who came in with a blast and out with a thud
not ready for prime time

Lynn - dont' know what to say about that dude - started out great as a starter and then what

Molina and Beltran - can't do it by themselves

THANK YOU, it was awesome if you were a Giants fan.

can we change the name of the thread now please? It's the Official Cardinals Choke away a 3 games to 1 lead thread and/or the Giants rule thread. Thank you.

Best part of the game. Lil Wayne sings Take me out to the Ballgame!

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Actually they still get to keep the trophy from last year. As well as the other 10.

Go sign Elvis andrus, bring up Tavares to play cf get healthy and see what happens

I assume I won't get much grief for my Holliday hate today, either. Useless piece of shit. I always enjoy watching his hitting sink to the level of his fielding during the playoffs.

We need a top line SS. We have none in the pipeline to play opposite Wong at 2B. How we get one is problematic. Yes, we have lots of young pitching. But, we cant give up our young pitching. Thats how we will be able to compete with those teams with billion cable TV contracts. Mo's going to have to work some magic.

We have a kid named Greg Garcia in AA that happened to be Wong's double play partner in Hawaii. He was playing SS all season in Springfield because of the presence of Wong at 2b, but he is probably better suited for 2b in the majors.

That said, I think he might be every bit the prospect Wong is. He appears to have slightly better range than Wong and his batting eye is top shelf. He honestly reminds me a lot of what I saw in Matt Carpenter 2 seasons ago when he was riding a great batting eye and decent glove past Cox within the system.

He's a perfect 2 hitter, but I don't know that he can play SS at this level. If he can cut down a little on the strikeouts while maintaining the walks while playing an average SS, he's a legitimate prospect. So he needs to refine his approach a little bit to perhaps be less patient and keep himself out of those deep counts that are leading to the slightly inflated K numbers, while also trying to continue to lay off the bad pitches so as not to hurt his BB numbers.

It's obviously a couple of pretty substantial qualifiers, but much like Descalso and Carpenter before him, Garcia's an under the radar name that is worth keeping an eye on.

You sound like a Yankees fan.

Andrus is under team control for 2 more years. If you want him, be prepared to trade Tavares to get him.

He didn't have to trade Tavares for Andrus in MLB 12 The Show.

My fault, was told he was a free agent this year and was too lazy to check

Except that 2012 Cardinals world champs thread is the title, not the 2011 cardinals world champions thread, and they AREN'T the 2012 world champions. Get it? I don't care if they have one, ten, or thirty. They aren't THIS years because they choked.

Piss off Our Timer

Giants have the mojo. Watch out Tiggers.

Mojo tends to buckle under the weight of 100 mph fastballs.

The Tiggers should detonate the Giants. The Giants still only have 2 decent SPs and that's not going to be enough against a lineup as deep as the Tigers, especially with the SP that Detroit brings to bear.

The Giants will beat the Tigers bullpen at least once, but they need to turn that trick at least twice to have a chance.

I say Detroit takes it in 5 by closing it out on their home turf.

Y'know, kinda like we should've done when we took the night off against Barry MFing Zito.

!@#$. Angry again. ****ing Cardinals.

Look, butthurt little royals fan, it's a 2012 thread. At the time it was created, they were, in fact, World Champions, and technically still are until somebody wins that fourth game this week.

Next year's thread won't say that.

Get it?

We have always labled the "Official" thread the current year. We won the WS and were the reining World Champions all season.

Why you would come in here and complain about a title that's been up all season? No one in here considers the Royals a rival and most only wish good things would happen to the local team. Sounds like a lot of butt hurt to me.

We will just have to console ourselfs with 3 trips to the World series in 7 years with 2 World Championships.

How do you console yourself after another losing season? Or because it happens every year, it doesn't bother you anymore.

I would trade Shelby to get him. Texas kid who got some good exposure at the end of the year here. I could see that happening. Texas is going to lose Elvis in 2 years, their can't miss prospect at short is ready now if needed...sounds like win win to me. We still have Rosenthal, Wacha, Seigrist, and Martinez who have power arms that could be ready for starter roles just as quickly as Shelby.

You were saying....

Always bet on the tested team rather than the rested team in the first days of a playoff.

****ing Mo was signaling he was open to offers according to Gould's tweet from the post dispatch.

Offers for Miller? Andrus is the only guy I have seen that might be available that would seem like a possibility. Andrus is only 24 and I think he would flourish in St. Louis. We could be set up the middle for 10 years if Wong pans out as expected. Maybe not All-Stars every year, but solid all around guys.

Andrus will get big money in 2 years. We dont need to pay $20 million a year for a SS and lose Miller.

rip ernie hays:(
http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/c...b7970fe6d.html

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its always said when legends pass on. :(

McGwire won't be back - apparently he's headed to LA. Mabry will be the new hitting coach.

I, for one, won't miss him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cardina...0957--mlb.html

yeah you could see that one coming a mile away. Closer to home for McGuire. Mabry is long time BFF with Methany.

I hope he can get our batters to be able to handle the inside pitch. Otherwise the Giants showed every NL team how to beat the Cardinals.

I'd love it if the Cards could sign Affeldt (sp?) from the Giants. Would solve a big need.

Who's on everyone else's wishlist? (I'd really like Ryan Ludwick, but he's obviously too expensive.)

I was laughin pretty good when that happened.

Wilson never blinks, look around, and barely moves his head.

Cabrera to Cards?
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The Cleveland Indians, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com Wednesday, are expected to field calls on Shin-Soo Choo, Justin Masterson and Chris Perez this winter. Another player garnering interest already, however, is Asdrubal Cabrera, the club's starting shortstop.

Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the St. Louis Cardinals have legitimate interest in Cabrera, and a glance at both clubs' needs it appears there could be a match here.

The Indians need pitching in the worst way. The Cardinals have depth in that department. While they do need to keep an eye on the injury situation with lefty Jaime Garcia, they do have an extra arm to move in the right deal.

Shelby Miller isn't likely to be that arm, but Trevor Rosenthal, Lance Lynn or prospect Carlos Martinez could be part of a package.

Other clubs that could show strong interest in Cabrera include the Arizona Diamondbacks, who could help the Indians fill another need -- right-handed hitting outfielder -- by discussing a deal involving Justin Upton. The D-backs are thought to be seeking a shortstop and if Cabrera is available, the two sides could find common ground.

If they give up more than Joe Kelly, they're !@#$ing insane.

Asdrubal Cabrera is incredibly overrated. He makes some great highlight reel plays, but his mediocre range is the reason for it.

He's owed $16 million over the next 2 years and simply isn't very good. If the Cards gave up Rosenthal or Lynn for that guy, then Moe is an absolute fool.

Completely agree, but I'm not even sure I'd include Kelly.

What do you guys suggest we do at SS?

What's Furcal's prognosis? If unavailable, I'd say Stephen Drew. Wouldn't be too expensive.

Drew is about the only SS in free agency so he likely will get a pretty decent contract.

JJ Hardy.

The O's are looking to move Machado over to his natural position at SS, which means they'd need someone at 3b.

Matt Carpenter for JJ Hardy looks pretty decent to me. That might even be more than it would actually take.

Hardy's actually a premier defender (as opposed to Cabrera who just pretends to be). He has more power and a better track record. His contact skills are better and he'd be a very nice fit for the 6/7 hole in the lineup.

Give me Hardy or Drew over Cabrera every time.

Some are high on Ryan Jackson, is he ready?

I forgot about Hardy.

I'd like to get someone to hit leadoff. Not necessarily at SS, but somewhere. Not a huge fan of Jay leading off.


I've seen the rumor of Tulowitzki(sp?) thrown around, but that contract is crazy.

I'm a HUGE fan of Jay, but that may be a good place to upgrade. I think he's a valuable 4th OF\spot starter, but I think Tavares should be the starter there soon.

Does Taveras project in CF?

Jay isn't a bad player, pretty good actually. I just don't think he's a leadoff hitter. Maybe a 7 or 8 guy.

From what I've read, he can play CF, but his +arm makes him bettersuited for RF; and don't get me wrong, Jay is certainly above average in CF.

Jay is great at CF and I realize he hit 300, but I would rather someone else lead off.

Lynn? I'd say a pitcher who can only pitch reliably for half a season is somewhat overrated as well.

I'd like to see Lynn settle in that middle relief role.

I sure as **** don't ever want to see him in the starting rotation again.

Not moving Hardy.

Yep, Kelly is as high as I would go.

Wong is our leadoff hitter for the next 6 years starting 2014 or maybe if he gets hot in spring training, 2013.

Jay hit .300 over a full year. + defender. We are good there. Taveras is a natural RF. Let Beltran play next year or if he falls off the cliff next year like Berkman, 2013 is Taveras's rookie year.