Absolutely! Just with some posters here, you would think Bray was doing this with Houston and Hali breathing down his neck on every play. Now when he gets to that point, and does what he is doing now... then I will be taking a seat on his bandwagon.

Awww man, it's all good. You just gotta believe the Chiefs know what they're doing! He's gonna be great!!

ARROWHEAD CHOP.

OUT.

SNR is more concerned with being "right" than in the Chiefs being good. He's like Clay without the awesome videos.

so fisher is the new target this year?


it should of been Geno so let's pummel Fisher into submission and laugh



people are scum

I think it was always going to be the preseason in which we found out what he has. He'll be facing the 2s and 3s from other teams still, but it's going to be far more wild and wooly out there.

Let's also not forget that he'll be throwing to the Tyler Shoemakers, not to the Dwayne Bowes. No clue how the 3rd string offensive line will be, but if it's anything like years past, he's gonna get PLENTY of opportunities to prove to people that he can produce with defenders breathing down his neck.

Go back and actually read my posts on Fisher, asshole. I said I thought he'd be a good player in the league. I still believe that.

Well, I'd kind of like to think the Chiefs only #1 overall draft pick ever, is like, good and stuff.

Crazy. I know.

CHIEFS N' CHOPPER. CHIEFS N' CHOPPER.

maybe you should wait to judge AFTER you actually see him play


Crazy. I know.

My point about you needing to be right wasn't all about Fisher, prick (see I can call you names too). It has to do with the "we didn't take my man crush Geno, so now I have to bash the Fisher pick every chance I get." It's old and tired. Much like Terrence Copper.

He was good yesterday, except on the inside swim move. I looked for how extra crappy everyone said he was, didn't see it. He might end up sucking, but you'd think he was just awful based on reports, but he held his own most of the time.

Nah he needs to be considered for HOF before preseason game 1 starts to meet the criteria around here.

Sometimes?

Hell, he's so full of shit, it would take a team of plumbers a month to clear out that cesspool of stupidity.

Then it would simply fill back up in a matter of seconds.

Uh oh Milk learned a new move this training camp!

I don't like reading about Fisher sucking either, but it's far too early to worry too much. A player coming from CMU is going to take a bit more time to transition.

Clady dominated from day one coming out of Boise St

Maybe Fisher is OK then, because Hali and Houston routinely beat Clady like a drum.

Oh, and your a welching bitch.

Albert = Clady...Sorry

He did? That surprises me.

17 sacks allowed two years before Manning...but, but, but ALL PRO!!!

I'm officially BATSHIT FOR BRAY.

Albert gave up 1 sack with Cassel behind Center...now THAT is an All Pro performance

So that's how a reerun sees the world, eh?

Interesting. Thanks for this refreshing perspective.

Fisher was the first pick of the entire draft. The best player available in the draft, according to our front office. He should be held to a much higher standard in order for him to be "worth" that pick, and in no way shape or form should he need a "learning year" or whatever.

That was the reason he was such a safe pick (according to some). It's a little upsetting that he's not having a very good camp up to this point, but with all that said, it's camp.

If he has a bad preseason, then we can start getting worried.

Agreed

Indeed. How nice would it have been drafting Jordan knowing that we would sack the QB atleast 3 times a game?

However, with saying "it is just camp", there should be none of this "he needs time to learn" junk.

If we took a guy with the first overall pick and he "needs time to learn", well, that probably wasn't a very good idea to pick him.

Agree.


TBH, I would have much rather taken Sheldon Richardson than any of them, but thats just me.

Not really. In 10 games against the Chiefs, Clady has allowed 5 sacks. 3 of those were in 2009.

You'd figure people would learn after the past few years... If someone is getting bad reviews in camp, and then doesn't look very good in the preseason you can almost guarantee that they won't do any better in the regular season.

With all the time Albert has missed, Clady has played basically a full season more than him, and Clady has still given up fewer sacks.

That's fine. A season with Peydaton doesn't count, so point stands.

Sorry, I couldn't hear you with Geno's cock in your mouth and Copper's in your ass.

How's Sippio doing?

FYP

Oh STFU

I'm just posting exactly what I see with absolutely ZERO bias.

At this point, Fisher is getting walked like a dog a lot more than a first overall pick ever should.

I was hoping to see him be able to handle players like Tyson Jackson and Austin Lane and struggle with guys lie Houston. The guy is struggling against everyone at this point.

Hopefully that changes over the next month and he can handle live action when the regular season starts.

Agree that its just camp. Disagree that we should expect Fisher to come in and play at a Pro Bowl level because he was the #1 pick. I completely disagree with your point of the "safe pick.". Anyone that was anyone knew he would need some time adjusting to the NFL level from Central Michigan. He never came close to playing against a Hali or Houston during his entire career in college.

It's going to take some time for him to adjust. Joeckel was the safer pick in my book by far because of the level of competition he faced...Fisher was the more athletic, nastier player that played against sub-par competition.

He got hurt. He's running with the 1's in camp this year.

Currently working on a new single; dubbing over the Phil Collin's masterpiece "Sussudio" with his own last name.

To be released later this year through the same record company that brought us Carson Palmer's barbershop album.

To be completely honest, I feel your biased shows through when you post about Alex Smith. I appreciate your reports, but following others on twitter it seems you leave out good throws by Smith to report on the bad plays he makes. Many reports had him throwing several good TD strikes over the last two practices including good RZ performance...and not a mention.

Bray however!!

I heard he injured his hand (can't remember which one) and he's been blocking pretty much one handed all of camp.

All I'm doing is explaining my expectations that I've ALWAYS had for the Fisher pick and commenting on what the reports are. Thus far, they aren't very good at all.

You're the douchebag who's a sensitive weepy vagina about those mean Chiefs fans on the internet who are making fun of FIsher's shitty play. If anybody has a cock in his mouth, it's you.

He was with the 3s and these should be taken with a grain of salt, but it's not like the guy was staring his receiver down and just chucking it.

He scans the field and gets the ball out extremely quickly. The fastest of any of the qbs.

When the ball arrives, the placement today and yesterday was PERFECT. Not just good...PERFECT.

IMO, the guy DESERVES to split the reps with the 2s going forward.

He offers a lot more than Chase Daniels.

The negative reports don't bother me at all. It's week one of camp. What bothers me is people taking camp reports of his play and turning them into justification that KC should have drafted Geno or any other QB at 1.1.

You're not commenting, your bitching and moaning.

Ahead of 2 career jobbers?

You'll be the first to know if I see anybody doing that.

I've been saying this since the beginning of his Junior year if he sets up properly Bray displays glimpses of greatness. Which is why the comparison to Marino is valid because if he gets shit together then we have our Franchise QB instead of the continuum of stopgaps and/or game managers.

ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- The case for the Kansas City Chiefs as this year's most improved team is pretty easy.

Owner Clark Hunt hired the best available coach on the market, Andy Reid. The former Philadelphia Eagles coach inherits a defense that features four Pro Bowlers and two more -- cornerback Brandon Flowers and Dontari Poe -- who could be next in line. General manager John Dorsey brokered a trade to acquire quarterback Alex Smith, who joins an offense that features one of the league's best runners (Jamaal Charles) and one of its better receiving threats (Dwayne Bowe).

Plus, the Chiefs play one of the league's easiest schedules, including a road slate with opponents whose 2012 records were a combined .406 win percentage.

Some experts touted the Chiefs as a potential playoff team a year ago, but they ended up 2-14 and picking first in the draft. Seeing Reid install a blue-collar work ethic on a team more talented than two wins means the Chiefs could be one of the league's top candidates to surprise in 2013.

Here are the five things I learned at Chiefs camp.

1. Training camp position battles: The best battle is at tight end, where Anthony Fasano, Tony Moeaki and third-round pick Travis Kelce are fighting for playing time. Fasano is getting first-team reps, but Reid likes all three and will try to find ways to give them all playing time.

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• Browns: Still rebuilding
• Jets: Ryan's tough task
• Bills: Team in a hurry
• Colts: Easing Luck's burden
• Bears: Trusting Trestman
• Chiefs: Poised to surprise?
• Training camp page

The only spot available on the offensive line is at left guard. Jeff Allen, a second-round pick last year, has a slight advantage over veteran Geoff Schwartz.

Bowe and Jon Baldwin are the starting wide receivers, but everything is open after that. Donnie Avery appears to be the No. 3, but Reid is intrigued by using Dexter McCluster out of the slot. Devon Wylie is also vying for time at the slot receiver spot.

Things are pretty set on defense, but a nice battle could emerge at inside linebacker between Akeem Jordan, also from the Eagles, and fourth-round choice Nico Johnson.

Although the Chiefs are solid at the starting spots, their roster isn't very deep. Injuries will be a problem if they happen, and the Chiefs could be looking for players on the waiver wire and possible trades as September approaches.

2. Alex Smith's great attitude: Few quarterbacks have endured more tough times than Smith. The first pick in the 2005 draft, Smith annually went through coordinator changes and losing seasons with the San Francisco 49ers. Once, his toughness was called out by former 49ers coach Mike Nolan, although Smith has always been tough. He's been benched but kept coming back for more, even offering to return to the 49ers at a reasonable price during contract talks.

Then came Jim Harbaugh.

Under Harbaugh, Smith played his best, helping the 49ers go to the 2011 NFC Championship Game. But an injury last year opened the door for Colin Kaepernick to replace him in what turned out to be a Super Bowl run.

Talking to Smith now that he's been traded to Kansas City, it's easy to see his competitiveness and his desire to prove the 49ers wrong in letting him go. Yes, he's on a mission. On the field, he's working nonstop with his offense and coaching up the young receivers. His presence will determine whether the Chiefs can be successful this year.


AP Photo/Charlie Riedel
Alex Smith hopes to point the Chiefs in the right direction: a spot in the postseason, to be specific.
Harbaugh designed plays that work to Smith's strengths and hid his weaknesses. Smith doesn't have the strongest arm, so Harbaugh didn't ask him to throw much downfield. He surrounded him with a strong running attack and a conservative game plan. Reid will have him work on timing routes and running the West Coast offense. Before getting hurt last year, Smith was completing more than 70 percent of his passes. His numbers won't come close to that in Kansas City, but he should be efficient enough to throw in the low 60 percent rate and move the offense more consistently than it has moved the past four years.
3. Press coverage by the cornerbacks: The most pleasant surprise at Chiefs camp was seeing cornerbacks at the line of scrimmage pressing wide receivers in coverage. Reid mostly used a 4-3 scheme in his Philadelphia days, but the Chiefs are built with 3-4 personnel -- a defense that often calls for more zone coverage. Seeing cornerbacks Brandon Flowers and free-agent acquisition Sean Smith jam receivers at the line of scrimmage was a thrill.

By playing press-man coverage, the Chiefs can put together blitz packages to pressure opposing quarterbacks. Flowers is one of the top five corners in the AFC even though he's been a few votes shy of the Pro Bowl the past couple of years.

If you wonder whether Flowers is ready for this year, he ran two to three miles a night in the offseason before he went to sleep.

Smith is a pressing 6-foot-3 corner who matches up against tall receivers and can take them out of their routes. Dorsey signed former Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson to be the third corner, joining an impressive secondary that also features Eric Berry, a Pro Bowl-caliber safety.

4. The new Jamaal Charles: Adrian Peterson challenged Eric Dickerson's career rushing record in 2012 coming off a knee reconstruction; Charles' comeback from the same injury was understated by comparison. He rushed for 1,509 yards on 285 carries and averaged a remarkable 5.3 yards a carry.

Reid's West Coast offense will add even more to Charles' plate. When it comes to a choice between calling a run or a pass, Reid prefers to pass. He considers a screen or short pass to a running back a "running-type play." Charles has never caught more than 45 passes in a season, but you'll see a lot of plays that resemble what Reid did with Brian Westbrook and so many of his old Philly backs. He'll try to get the ball in Charles' hands and watch him run. Charles has great speed, particularly to the outside.

The passing elements might prevent him from being one of few 300-carry backs in the league, but combine his rushes and passes out of the backfield and he'll be one of the busiest.

5. Eric Fisher is the perfect type of lineman for Reid: As a Mike Holmgren student of the West Coast offense, Reid stresses protection and has always been aggressive in trying to build tough, talented offensive lines.

Fisher, the first pick in the draft, has already won him over, although Fisher occasionally struggles against experienced defenders in practice. He has athletic skills similar to Joe Thomas of the Cleveland Browns, but what pleases Reid is Fisher's toughness. In his first training camp practice, Fisher badly injured two fingers on his right hand. He stayed in practice and tried to go against defenders mostly left-handed. Within a few days, he did some damage to his left hand. Those injuries have caused him to be a little inconsistent blocking, but Reid isn't concerned. Fisher is smart, talented and dedicated. With Branden Albert doing well at left tackle, the offensive line is looking solid.

no, he didnt.

If you couldn't see it, you don't have a clue what you're watching.

Sorry.

I have made a lot of posts about Smith doing well.

You must have ignored those.

Shit, I even said he is the best QB in camp... all things considered.

I swear, some of you should be forced to get vasectomies.
That actually makes some sense.

I even commented that his hand punch was either non exist ant at ties or was completely futile.

IMO, his biggest problems are his kick step and his weight transfer to protect the inside transition pass rush moves. He needs to play lower and use his hips/knees a lot more and hopefully that comes in time...like the next month worth of time.

You are delusional. Nobody has said these things you keep fantasizing about.

Just like the common trr outlook...

Everybody, we shouldn't have expectations for any of our football players. Regardless of where they are picked or how they are acquired.

No Grigsby vs Scanlon wars. I hope Bray looks at Sanchez and finds a social mentor/tutor. Clark is not Lamar when it comes to spending.

Sorry, I was there yesterday. He held his own a number of times. I saw it. Don't know what to tell you.

We're you sitting on the hill?

I was a third of the way up the hill and watched him get pushed around consistently. Maybe your POV wasn't very good...

It's not like I dislike the guy. I've said at least 10 times that I like the guy as a player and want him to succeed and have posted exactly what I see as I see it.

Shit, I have said multiple times that Stanzi has sucked ass out there and that Bray has been very good.

If I was posting with bias, that wouldn't be the case, would it.

Geez man, I say Alex throws a bunch of bad passes and you ask me some dumb shit like "what were they working on?" ...like Alex Smith throwing a shovel pass right to Houston was "something they were working on" or when he overthrew Wylie by 5 yards and Sean Smith intercepted it that was "something they were working on"

FFS it's not like I'm making these things up or that these things are gonna happen in games...it's that they have happened with regularity in practices.

Just like Fisher getting walked like a dog.

Hopefully, it's the hand being hurt and that it will heal in the next month or so.

Otherwise, the beginning of the year when we have a string of winnable games will be tough to watch.

I was in the tent, about fifty feet away.

I'm not saying he looked great. There were several time I went, yikes! That was bad.

Every time someone went from a bullrush and transitioned to an inside move, he got beat.

Every time someone transitioned from an inside move to the outside, he had big time trouble adjusting and nearly every time he got beat.

He had big time trouble identifying the blitz.

He simply can't handle blocking Houston AT ALL.

Now, I understand "well, that's Justin Houston"... But this is the first pick in the draft for ****s sake.

He's got to improve.

No question and I hope this hand injury stuff is the majority of it.

Do you know what the deal with Stephenson? Someone told me he tweaked a hammy...is that what happened?

I was looking forward to seeing him out there competing.

If that is what you took from TRR's post it is a perfect example of how delusional and irrational people here are anymore.

Not close to what he said or meant but you spun into a ridiculous bunch of bullshit trying to make a point that doesn't exist.

Get over yourself.


Fisher was the first overall pick in te draft. You don't take a player there that "needs time to learn".

The expectations for him should be extremely high and he needs to be really good right away. Otherwise, it was the wrong pick.

Get over myself? I'm not the one twisting shit around.

Fisher wasn't the "safe" pick and I yes would expect him to be effective right away.

Pissing and moaning week 1 of training camp is ****ing stupid.

And just because YOU believe it doesn't make it true.

Dorsey and Reid picked Fisher because of his upside, not his polish so think what YOU want, just keep in mind it doesn't matter what you think in the end and everyone doesn't need to share your opinion to be right.

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

This guy is going to be worse than Cassel in some ways. I have no doubts now.

Finger surgery. He's back now but going at it slowly.

Exactly, ocity.

Also, I've been extremely fair with my takes on Smith and everyone else on the team. I even said Smith looks like the best QB out there on more tan one occasion.

I have high expectations for this team and don't want tomhear the soft bullshit pussy responses of "oh give them a brak blah blah first week of camp blah blah blah he's just a rookie blah blah blah."

They decided that they would make moves with "win right now" in mind...we aren't rebuilding.

I expect players like Alex Smith and Eric Fisher to be worth the hefty price that was paid to add them.

We spent the first pick in the first and second rounds this year and a second rounder next year to get these "win right now" players.

**** the excuses.

Jesus CHRIST.

What makes smith better than bray from what you've seen?

No, you're the one who comes here anytime someone has a differing opinion than you, that isn't positive about te chiefs, and bitches at them.

We hear all offseason how you can't pick a player at #1 based on potential and upside, yet now when he's struggling, apparently that's what we did?

LMAO you guys are building strawmen as fast as you can build them
Who is making excuses for anything right now?

Saying dude came from a smaller school and may take a bit of a whooping early in TC is making excuses?

Saying this teams needs to win now is making excuses?

Who is making the excuses Boss?

Stephenson had finger surgery? Ok. They can just tape the shift out of that after a few days. No biggie for an OL.

I didn't see him out there today at all and we went to the side with the pup guys for part of practice (the 11on11 stuff)

You sure he was there?

Do you not understand the difference between having a differing opinion and turning someone's post 180 degrees and twisting it into something that it wasn't?

You dont know the difference? Really?

I dont take issue with people having different expectations than me, his post was absolute bullshit. Sorry I call out bullshit when I see it.

You need to learn to argue the post not the poster dude.

Stephenson had finger surgery out til after the NOLA game

The fact that he has played well against better competition.

Yeah I do know the difference, I'm just tired of reading you holier than thou preaching in every thread.

LMAO OK, well try to keep the bullshit to a minimum then.

Maybe try to answer one of my questions while you are at it.

Who is making the excuses?

Fisher hasn't been good so far, hasn't been up to par with what a first overall pick should be up to this point.

But it's TC. If it continues in games then worry.


However, generally when guys struggle in TC then preseason games, they struggle in the regular season.

Show me a post where I said anything about excuses or who's making them?


Talk to boss chief about that

Dude, **** off.

Go back and read my posts about Alex Smith and then read what trr posted about my takes.

I didn't need to twist a god damned thing.

Everytime anyone posts something that isn't positive about the Chiefs, you, trr and others come in whaling your arms and calling those opinions/observations something other than what they are and act as if we are "bad fans" for posting the truth.

Everyone knows this and we thought you guys would learn after the whole Cassel fiasco.

Believe me, I want desperately to homer up, but I'm not gonna do so delusionally.

Sorry.

Doesn't sound near as doom and gloom as its made out to be. And this is from a completely objective source.

Sorry dude I have no issue with differing takes but what you posted and what he posted not the same.

Fact is you doom and gloom guys cant stand to hear anything reasonable and you are building strawmen at record pace.

I cant think of 1 single poster who is optimistic about this season that doesn't expect to win out the gate. I dont see how expecting to win is making excuses.

Can you explain that to me? Who is fine with all the moves we have made and thinks we should be happy to go 8-8?

I dont know who that is.

Clayton attended ONE practice. Of course he's not going to say, "Welp, Fisher sucks balls. Bust."

This is his way of reporting what he saw at the practice without sticking his neck out very far. It's what he has to do as a reporter for the entire league. He's going to attend ALL the training camps.