As they shouldn't.

.... what the **** was that.

That's how you lose a whole bunch of games right there. Have your chance against a struggling bullpen and you do that.

Man.... losing teams

Ball 2.

Ball 3.

We are 25-60 and we don't even have the worst record in the league. That's almost impressive.

I suppose the Royals will let us know when it's safe to come back to the park.

Suck O Rama!
Royals have allowed 8 Grand Slams this year.
Ouch.

Over/under 50 wins?

Duffy is such a lousy douche bag

I'm sure I sound like a broken record, but Seuly Matias the last 10 games:

.059 average (2/34)
18 strikeouts

Too bad A ball doesn't really have anywhere to demote a player to. His only redeeming quality was his power, and that's slowed to a trickle as well.

Dude is 19 years old. You'd probably be best advised to slow down a bit before throwing him off the prospect list.

Worth noting: the Royals went as far over their bonus pool as they can without losing a pick, and paid 75 percent tax on overages from the singer signing(around an extra million bucks).

Maybe that affects some spending in Latin America? Don’t know.

Well at least we're not Baltimore. They apparently avoid IFA by choice. I still don't see an excuse for us to avoid it. We had the largest combined pool between the draft and international players and we're just throwing away half of that equation for nothing. But I guess it was to be expected when we weren't even associated with any of the top players leading up to yesterday.

You are such a whiny ****.

Royals had the 11th worst hitting month in history by RC+. So in a given year, there have been 20 teams playing 6 months each. By my estimation:

20 teams
6 months
118 years
= 14,160 "team months"



Yep. We just had the 11th worst of 14,160.

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Moose traded, or about to be traded?

They're just resting Moose. He's been out the last couple days because of back spasms.

PA keeps playing the instrumental of "America [**** Yeah]" during the half innings unless I'm not hearing things correctly.

Looks like Alex Gordon has changed his batting stance? I haven’t watched in weeks. Has it helped?

Absolutely. He's making a late push for a spot on the All-Star team.

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100 losses is a fore gone conclusion. The question is, what’s the bottom? 110? 115?......120? Worse? This is a really bad team that theoretically will get worse sans Moose

Alshittys

How much longer does this .191 Shithead get to play?


It's an insult to our fan base. Cut. Him. NOW

There simply are no words...

If there's a plan GMDM and Ned have working, it's a very illusive plan (to say the least).

The plan at this point is to suck, and suck some more. Get that first pick. FFS Esky has played CF and 3rd base.

#Embracethesuck

Is there a can't miss, once in a decade prospect in the draft?

Not my expertise. I do know that winning 72-84 games would probably mean jack and shit

There’s not a Harper or Strasbourg in this draft.

Bobby Witt, Jr. is the top guy right now and does have huge potential.

I would be shocked if they cut him but I can see him getting benched. If they are committed to the tank job, then they may as well let him keep playing.

Plus, they did the win the World Series as recently as 1948, so they've got THAT going for them.

They're absolutely killing the Royals. It would be so much BETTER to be a lifelong fan of the Cleveland Indians. :rolleyes:

Um, no.

Cleveland has 3 World Series APPEARANCES since 1985.

Their last World Series title was 70 years ago.

You might wanna re-read what you quoted. You're agreeing with him while typing, "Um, no"

Hey, i just looked and see the Royals have the worst record in baseball as well as the worst point differential by 40 runs.

I'm might just be a dumb ole retired pig farmer but I'd say it's time to clean house with the management. From Yost down at least.

That’s a shame but if Witt Jr is the top guy by a wide margin then it’s imperative that the Royals get the top pick.

You’re right. I mis-read his post.

My apologies to Best22.

Meanwhile, Herrera has a 4.05 ERA and a 5.35 FIP with the Nats...

Something worth keeping an eye on, for sure.

It really hasn't been a great year for a lot of former Royals. Wade Davis hasn't been good. I know Dodger fans haven't been thrilled with Scott Alexander. Hosmer is doing alright but he's not really putting up All-Star numbers fitting to his contract. He's on pace to hit about 16 HR with 60-70 RBI. Jason Vargas has been absolutely horrible.

The only guys doing well are Cain, who is currently hurt... and Soria, who is having a real nice season for the White Sox.

Not a Royal last year but Holland went to shit to.

Damn, you mean we didn't suck enough to make the Top10? :rolleyes:

Its almost like those former Royals players/team were better collectively together than they are are as singular players. a great TEAM

I'm watching Matt Strahm ball out against the Dbacks though

I didn't disagree on going for it but the fact we traded that guy for piñata Cahill and awful Maurer will never be cool.

It was another God awful DM trade

So how many games have you gone to lately? How many do you even watch?

If you love being a Royals fan so much, you'll watch their games

ERA now up to 4.70 after today's game.

Perhaps it's getting adjusted to the change in scenery.. but he was trending this way toward the end.

As much as I'd hate moose to be a Yankee, this is the team I'd want to trade with since they have good talent. Moose would rake at that park.

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That is the perfect type of team to trade with re: Moustakas. They have an embarrassment of riches in their farm system. Even though you won’t get a top, top guy, they have been stockpiling talent and if you dig into the lower levels could come away with a real gem.

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I don't know enough of how that works.
I assume if we can't sign he goes back into the draft next year and we get a comp pick?

Assume that is Milan Walla or Ty Madden. Too bad.

College for them!

HS guys go to college or juco. College guys go back to college.

They won’t get a comp pick - it just dissipates unless a first rounder.

I do wonder how these guys turn out after Florida abused them.

No Royals in the Futures Game?

Dude we just got 1 dude (lee) in the top 100 of BB America after a 2 year absence. #99 baby!


Good job Moore. Good job scouts

I'm not sure if that's a new rule but it didn't used to be the case.

When the Cardinals didn't get Trevor Megill signed at 104 in 2014 they were awarded the 105th overall pick in 2015 as compensation for losing him. They used that pick on Jordan Hicks.

It worked out okay...

My recollection is that it's the first three rounds and I believe they have to have declined a 'slot' offer. So teams can't lowball guys to pass a pick into the next season but if they take someone in the first 3 rounds, make them the slot offer and the player doesn't sign, they'll get a compensation pick the following season of approximately what they lost the season before.

EDIT: Looks like all the Royals top 10 players have signed so they didn't lose any slot but won't get any compensation for not getting anyone signed this year. As a draft eligible Sophomore, looks like Heasley has some runway still and could easily boost his stock past the $125K the Royals can offer him at this point. Of course any of the HS guys have an easy path forward as well.

Seuly Matias is playing for the World team.

and will be rivals. One is going to Oklahoma and the other to Texas.

Best way to look at that is that if you get all of your picks signed (through 42 or whatever) you've probably screwed up.

My position is always that somewhere in the 30s/40s you should grab 1 or 2 of the tough signs that way if you get through your first 10 for cheaper than you realized and a guy you took in the teens won't sign for less than 1st round money, you have some fallback options to use that 'buffer' overage that comes with only monetary penalties rather than a draft pick one. If you don't use that overage, you've effectively wasted a chance to add a guy with top 5 round value.

Dave Stewart managed to not even spend to his regular bonus pool a time or two and that was one of the things that got him fired. With the new slotting/bonus pool system, you have to have a couple of fallback plans that aren't just 'draft some college SRs and give them more than their leverage says they should get'.

Most of the time some top 100 pick gets drafted in the 33rd round, the team that takes him had no real intention of getting him signed. It was mostly done as an emergency measure should they be unable to come to terms with someone in the teens that doesn't cost them a draft pool penalty but then leaves them with more bonus pool money that they now can't find a good way to spend. If you took a tough sign in the 30s, now you can reallocate that money to that guy and maybe you change his mind. So few of those picks end up mattering anyway that I see no problems with taking 2 or 3 of them just to have in your back pocket if the rest of the signings don't go to script and you have money to burn.

I suspect the Royals knew that if they got Singer signed, they wouldn't be able to get all the rest. Those guys were there in case they needed a fallback for that $900K overage or in the event that Singer blinked and decided that going back to school as a SR could gut his negotiating leverage next season.

Truth be told, I'm surprised it took him that much to sign. That's a hell of a gamble on his part.

For the Mizzou fans, there's an interesting real time example.

Trey Dillard is a pretty exciting recruit coming to Columbia in the fall should he not sign. He was considered a top 3 round prospect but a little bit of a tough sign. The Dodgers have a pittance of a bonus pool ($5.3 million) but just lost damn near half of it by not getting JT Ginn signed. So their 'money' bonus overage is based on a pretty small figure; 4.99% of a mere $5.3 million. But when they lost the $2.275 allocated to Ginn, that amount got even smaller. now it's 4.99% of roughly $3 million.

So they had $150K in 'fun money' they could pay with no real penalties after the 10th round. They spent $25K on that by going over slot to get Julian Smith signed, so they're down to $125K. And the first $125K of any bonus after 10 doesn't count against those penalties so they could throw roughly $250K at Trey Dillard.

Meanwhile, had Ginn signed at slot that figure could've been nearer $375K. Mizzou's odds of getting their big shit prospect on campus now have to be seen as pretty good.

There are just a whole slew of moving parts in these drafts now so these GMs have to have guys littered throughout that are decent fallback plans. The Dodgers had one of those in Dillard but when Ginn didn't sign he tied their hands and then when they went way over slot to get Grove done (which was on odd pick when made and even stranger when signed), they effectively torpedoed any remaining flexibility they had.

The MLB draft is a fascinating look at strategy and if you want to see someone that's just murdered it over the years, your guy is Jeff Luhnow. He always seems to have a plan and executes it exceptionally well. Sure, the large pools have helped, but 2012 was a masterclass in using resources when he saved $2.4 million under slot by taking Correa instead of Buxton, then plowed that saved pool money into getting McCullers out of his FL commit.

In 2014 he refused to blink when a medical exam found something off in his #1 overall picks elbow. He offered something like 2/3 of slot value (the lowest he could offer to get a pick the following year) and Aiken balked. By losing the pick and the slot overage that would've come with it, Luhnow also lost Jacob Nix and he got blasted by the national media for it. But rather than knuckle under and pay too much for damaged goods, he took his comp pick the next season and used it on Alex Bregman.

He got BLASTED by the national media for that but it was smart and of course they came out well ahead for it.

Luhnow does the draft dance as well as anyone in the game.

Really though, Luhnow's success is a lot more indicative of the sports media not being the authorities that they often purport to be.

Lil' bit, yeah.

If you piss in an agents cheerios, you can bet Jon Heyman will come along to blast you for it at some point even if it was obviously in the best interests of your franchise to do so.

That dude's such a mouthpiece. If you look closely you can actually see Scott Boras and Casey Close's lips moving anytime Jon Heyman speaks.

I mean, he's not a Bob Nightengale "**** it, I have column inches to fill so I'll make stuff up" kind of hack, but his angle is predictable as can be every single time he puts something up. He has his sources so he often has useful information, but he gets those sources by kissing loads of agent ass.

Hammel looking great tonight.

I'm not sure why Yost would yank Hammel here, let him stay in there and take his lumps.

Reminds me of a few Luke Hochevar starts I watched before they figured out he was pretty good out of the pen.

Boston has hit three home runs in two innings. I bet we don't hit three home runs in the next three games combined.

This is a pretty good pants shitting by Hammel. It’s quite impressive to watch....

Fire Ned. Trade moustakis and Perez

Ned didn't build this shit roster. Blame Moore.

I was at the game tonight. Had great seats in the first row of seats that were right behind the Crown Seat section, six rows from the field. Bosox just came out and clubbed us like baby seals. Hammel was awful. Just frickin awful. Sale was cruising. Major mismatch. One nice Moose Bomb, and a couple nice plays on defense by Mondesi, but otherwise it was a total butt kicking. And Mauer at the end??? Why is this guy still on our roster???

Yes, but did you get those great seats at face value???

Just kidding.

How did the Royals get so shitty so quickly after back-to-back WS appearances, and winning it just two seasons ago???

Bad drafting my friend.

Poor trades, poor signings, poor contracts.. a lot of things have to happen to have this much suckage
.

Yep, but bad drafting is at the center of it.

I certainly don't disagree with the previous few posts, and there is certainly no acceptable reason for an MLB team to be on pace to win 47 games or whatever it is, but there are a few other factors as well.

A. Although it shouldn't be close to this bad, we knew they were in for a fall once some of the big guys left via free agency. The chances of having pipeline replacements right at the exact time was very slim(not having them anywhere near at all is a problem).

B. Ventura's death and the curious case of WTF happened to Danny Duffy?

C. I fear we may have seen the best of Salvador Perez come and gone. That guy was rode like a rented mule for years and it looks like that took a toll on him(this year could be an outlier)

Wish we could have traded Duffy in the off-season. Man has he went to complete shit.

Duffy should go the Hochevar route and just accept he's better suited for the long relief role in the pen (or a shutdown guy for an inning and a half). He's good for 3-4 innings generally speaking, but it's that one start in five where he dominates that keeps them thinking he close to "figuring it out". The problem is, who do you replace him with in the rotation right now?