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pugsnotdrugs19 09-26-2018 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13765060)
Seattle might allow it as a bit of leverage. "Oh, you've worked an extension out? Great. Pay our price."

Exactly.

A lot more tempting to take their deal when you’re literally a “deal” away from having the best free safety in the league for a 4-5 year contract.

Mother****erJones 09-26-2018 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765050)
Well he originally said the 1st/3rd thing last night and then Terez said this morning that the Chiefs want the price to come down. So it’s not a copy I don’t believe.

Terez said it yesterday that they want it to come down

htismaqe 09-26-2018 03:06 PM

Get it done. Get it done.

Get it done.

Sassy Squatch 09-26-2018 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765066)
Exactly.

A lot more tempting to take their deal when you’re literally a “deal” away from having the best free safety in the league for a 4-5 year contract.

Flipside, though, is if the trade doesn't go through ultimately Seattle is left with a seething extensionless Thomas.

BleedingRed 09-26-2018 03:06 PM

Eric Berry and Earl Thomas................

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htismaqe 09-26-2018 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13765073)
Flipside, though, is if the trade doesn't go through ultimately Seattle is left with a seething extensionless Thomas.

Which should drive the price down.

Creates more of a "meet in the middle" solution, which ends up being better for everyone...

Imon Yourside 09-26-2018 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13765059)
I haven't heard back from the Facebook message to Earl yet, I'll let you all know if i do.

Simpred! Gettang er dun!

pugsnotdrugs19 09-26-2018 03:07 PM

I think the 1st round pick is a great deal for both teams.

Odds are they don’t get another Earl Thomas, better odds are that the player they get will suck... but he’s 29 and needs paid. Gotta give a little bit.

Sassy Squatch 09-26-2018 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765080)
I think the 1st round pick is a great deal for both teams.

Odds are they don’t get another Earl Thomas, better odds are that the player they get will suck... but he’s 29 and needs paid. Gotta give a little bit.

Nope. Been made abundantly clear it's not happening for a 1st.

WelshCheif71 09-26-2018 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13752944)
They just said on ESPN we were on the list of teams that he could be dealt to.

Hope we get him let him smash all Denver's receivers would be a wonderful sight
Get it done Veach

O.city 09-26-2018 03:11 PM

They'd never let it get to contract terms before the teams were good on terms of the trade.

The Chiefs could **** them over by saying they'd give him some huge crazy deal then not go thru with the trade. Good luck to Seattle ever getting the deal done if Thomas thinks whatever else is out there.

htismaqe 09-26-2018 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13765087)
Nope. Been made abundantly clear it's not happening for a 1st.

That we know of. The Chiefs actually haven't said anything and we have no idea if these talking heads are right, even Terez.

O.city 09-26-2018 03:14 PM

And yeah, I'd say with the talk of the Chiefs wanting the price to come down, it won't be for a first rounder.

And I've come around on this more so today. He can play for 3 or 4 more years at a high level hopefully. That's worth it.

Sassy Squatch 09-26-2018 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13765097)
That we know of. The Chiefs actually haven't said anything and we have no idea if these talking heads are right, even Terez.

So why isn't the deal done then? If they actually want MORE than a 1st rounder you say thanks but no thanks and hang up.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-26-2018 03:25 PM

KC may just be playing games right now, wanting to see if Seattle will budge.

But make no mistake, they should not let their pride get in the way of giving up that 1st round choice. We saw the names that have been picked in the late 1st round over the past several years. The vast majority of those guys turn out to not only be worse than ET, but to suck altogether.

RunKC 09-26-2018 03:28 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Plenty of room to sign a top 15 defensive player and game changing safety long term, despite guys to extend. PLENTY. <a href="https://t.co/DzuWXwJQ4M">https://t.co/DzuWXwJQ4M</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1045031272307982341?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 26, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kiimo 09-26-2018 03:29 PM

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You guys I just got this email. SAFETY AWARENESS

You can trust this source, I work at FOX. Colin Cowherd is just across the lot.

printem

Sassy Squatch 09-26-2018 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765125)
KC may just be playing games right now, wanting to see if Seattle will budge.

But make no mistake, they should not let their pride get in the way of giving up that 1st round choice. We saw the names that have been picked in the late 1st round over the past several years. The vast majority of those guys turn out to not only be worse than ET, but to suck altogether.

I'm pretty sure Veach and co. aren't sitting in their offices thinking "well, we're going to blow these picks anyway so might as well give it to Seattle for Thomas." ****ing quit if that's your attitude.

Naptown Chief 09-26-2018 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13765134)
https://i.imgur.com/X6z3FoS.png


You guys I just got this email. SAFETY AWARENESS

You can trust this source, I work at FOX. Colin Cowherd is just across the lot.

printem

I also got that email. Well, that and stop touching Debbie's ass. I think it's a wrap

pugsnotdrugs19 09-26-2018 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13765135)
I'm pretty sure Veach and co. aren't sitting in their offices thinking "well, we're going to blow these picks anyway so might as well give it to Seattle for Thomas." ****ing quit if that's your additude.

So you’d rather them sit there and say, “We’re gonna turn that first round pick into Earl Thomas 2.0 anyways, so to hell with giving that up”...?

Cause that’d be just as dumb as saying that they think they’ll blow the pick.

But one is much more likely than the other, and we all know which one.

RunKC 09-26-2018 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765139)
So you’d rather them sit there and say, “We’re gonna turn that first round pick into Earl Thomas 2.0 anyways, so to hell with giving that up”...?

Cause that’d be just as dumb as saying that they think they’ll blow the pick.

But one is much more likely than the other, and we all know which one.

I think they don’t want to give up a 1st rd pick and will wait this out until 10/30 to try to do that.

Sassy Squatch 09-26-2018 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765139)
So you’d rather them sit there and say, “We’re gonna turn that first round pick into Earl Thomas 2.0 anyways, so to hell with giving that up”...?

Cause that’d be just as dumb as saying that they think they’ll blow the pick.

But one is much more likely than the other, and we all know which one.

No. I'd rather them do what they're doing now and let it play out a bit more. Thomas isn't a win now move. It's a win in January move. We don't need him to win right now.

Hydrae 09-26-2018 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwwataz (Post 13765136)
I also got that email. Well, that and stop touching Debbie's ass. I think it's a wrap

Debbie likes it, don't listen to "them".

Simply Red 09-26-2018 03:38 PM

I saw a video - Seth mentioned we have plenty w/ some rearranging. So yeah, get him you son of a Veach!

pugsnotdrugs19 09-26-2018 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13765145)
I think they don’t want to give up a 1st rd pick and will wait this out until 10/30 to try to do that.

Understandable, but when 10/30 comes, they’d better give that 1st up.

Let’s just lay it out there in simple terms:

Player A: 2019 first round draft choice, let’s say he’s pick 28 after the Chiefs have lost a playoff game (just a random guess).

Player B: Earl Thomas with a 4-year contract extension

Which guy is going to give you the best chance to win the championship with a roster that’s locked and loaded right now? It’s not even a debate.

If that pick even turns out to be a good player, he still likely won’t give you Earl’s production for the next several years.

Spent the last year and a half talking about how we needed to take advantage of Mahomes’ rookie deal. This move is a prime example of that.

SAUTO 09-26-2018 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13764855)
I don't mind PFF, but if Khalil Mack isn't on your best D list, no thatnks.

DefinitelyROFL

RunKC 09-26-2018 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765155)
Understandable, but when 10/30 comes, they’d better give that 1st up.

Let’s just lay it out there in simple terms:

Player A: 2019 first round draft choice, let’s say he’s pick 28 after the Chiefs have lost a playoff game (just a random guess).

Player B: Earl Thomas with a 4-year contract extension

Which guy is going to give you the best chance to win the championship with a roster that’s locked and loaded right now? It’s not even a debate.

If that pick even turns out to be a good player, he still likely won’t give you Earl’s production for the next several years.

Spent the last year and a half talking about how we needed to take advantage of Mahomes’ rookie deal. This move is a prime example of that.

I’m warming up to it, especially if we have two 2nd rd picks.

Hoping it’s for a 2nd and future 3rd.

Simply Red 09-26-2018 03:42 PM

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Simply Red 09-26-2018 03:43 PM

IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN - THING POSITIVE!

SAUTO 09-26-2018 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13764968)
Yeah something interesting happened last night as I was getting a drink at Buddies. Was talking to someone who worked for the Chiefs said there was alot of activity more than usual. I asked if it were a trade? He smiled and said "safety"

He was telling you to use lube

Mother****erJones 09-26-2018 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765139)
So you’d rather them sit there and say, “We’re gonna turn that first round pick into Earl Thomas 2.0 anyways, so to hell with giving that up”...?

Cause that’d be just as dumb as saying that they think they’ll blow the pick.

But one is much more likely than the other, and we all know which one.

That thought process is flawed as the Raiders saying we don’t want to pay Mack so we’ll trade him and hope we get Bosa who could be Mack

Mother****erJones 09-26-2018 03:44 PM

I’m not keen on giving up a first round pick though, especially since he could be a rental. I’d do a 2nd rounder and try to sign him long term.

New World Order 09-26-2018 03:44 PM


ROFL

The Franchise 09-26-2018 03:45 PM

My guess is that Seattle wants our first because they’re looking at this offense and figuring out that there is no way in hell that our 2nd round pick is going to be high at all. Add in Earl Thomas and it gets lower.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-26-2018 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13765175)
I’m not keen on giving up a first round pick though, especially since he could be a rental. I’d do a 2nd rounder and try to sign him long term.

You don’t make the trade unless it comes with a contract extension, and that’s what Earl will want anyways

The Franchise 09-26-2018 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13765175)
I’m not keen on giving up a first round pick though, especially since he could be a rental. I’d do a 2nd rounder and try to sign him long term.

WE ARE NOT TRADING FOR EARL THOMAS AND NOT SIGNING HIM TO A NEW CONTRACT.

SAUTO 09-26-2018 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765012)
The twitter account that reported they were working on a contract last night says that Seattle wants a 1st (2019) and 3rd (2020) and that the Chiefs want the price to come down.

Makes sense cause that’s essentially what Terez has been saying too.

Then we aren't working on a contract yet imo.

I would imagine compensation would be agreed upon before they let us talk money with him.

But I could be way wrong

Simply Red 09-26-2018 03:46 PM

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Imon Yourside 09-26-2018 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13765179)
My guess is that Seattle wants our first because they’re looking at this offense and figuring out that there is no way in hell that our 2nd round pick is going to be high at all. Add in Earl Thomas and it gets lower.

Well according to the media pundits we always start out 5 or 6 and 0 and die from there.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-26-2018 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13765179)
My guess is that Seattle wants our first because they’re looking at this offense and figuring out that there is no way in hell that our 2nd round pick is going to be high at all. Add in Earl Thomas and it gets lower.

If we’re being realistic—the best case scenario for that 1st round pick if the Chiefs keep it is a Chris Jones level player. BEST case.

Even in that scenario, I think I’d rather have Earl because this team’s window is so open.

Mother****erJones 09-26-2018 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765181)
You don’t make the trade unless it comes with a contract extension, and that’s what Earl will want anyways

I’m good with paying with him. He’s the impact safety that could help turn this defense around and if Berry comes back ok, watch out. They’ll be tough and force some turnovers because Berry and Thomas are ballhawks

Simply Red 09-26-2018 03:49 PM

i feel like we have some momentum now - Billay saw a FO member at that gay bar and Seth is saying we have money - we have a message out there on FB for him. This is happening folks - buy your Earl Thomas pillow-cases now!

SAUTO 09-26-2018 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13765049)
You'd pretty much have to before the team allowed you to talk contract with his agent I'd think .

Exactly, because if you work out a deal and the trade doesn't go through the player is even more pissed off

Naptown Chief 09-26-2018 03:51 PM

Did we win yet?

Naptown Chief 09-26-2018 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13765195)
i feel like we have some momentum now - Billay saw a FO member at that gay bar and Seth is saying we have money - we have a message out there on FB for him. This is happening folks - buy your Earl Thomas pillow-cases now!

Yes

SAUTO 09-26-2018 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765054)
They can give them permission to talk contracts ahead of time, that way as soon as a trade is agreed to then it’s just done right there.

And then if it doesn't go down the player blames the team for costing them 30-50 million?

Doubtful

Simply Red 09-26-2018 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwwataz (Post 13765197)
Did we win yet?

we are all getting more confident by the minute.

The Franchise 09-26-2018 03:54 PM

You're going to hear first that the Chiefs and Seahawks have come to an agreement on the perimeters of a trade and then you'll hear that the Chiefs are in discussions with Thomas and his agent on an extension.

SAUTO 09-26-2018 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13765073)
Flipside, though, is if the trade doesn't go through ultimately Seattle is left with a seething extensionless Thomas.

Who knows EXACTLY what the team cost him at that point.

Simply Red 09-26-2018 03:55 PM

let me check facebook to see if this sweet dark chocolate man messaged me back! I DO like that heart accented photo!

Simply Red 09-26-2018 03:55 PM

BRB!

New World Order 09-26-2018 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13765210)
let me check facebook to see if this sweet dark chocolate man messaged me back! I DO like that heart accented photo!

Did you include that in the message?

Simply Red 09-26-2018 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 13765214)
Did you include that in the message?

No - I guess I should have.

dlphg9 09-26-2018 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13765155)
Understandable, but when 10/30 comes, they’d better give that 1st up.

Let’s just lay it out there in simple terms:

Player A: 2019 first round draft choice, let’s say he’s pick 28 after the Chiefs have lost a playoff game (just a random guess).

Player B: Earl Thomas with a 4-year contract extension

Which guy is going to give you the best chance to win the championship with a roster that’s locked and loaded right now? It’s not even a debate.

If that pick even turns out to be a good player, he still likely won’t give you Earl’s production for the next several years.

Spent the last year and a half talking about how we needed to take advantage of Mahomes’ rookie deal. This move is a prime example of that.

Also you get a player in his prime at a position of need for say 4-5 years. That player is also top 2 at his position. Yeah you'll pay him alot, but it's worth it. Even if you draft a guy thats a stud you'll have him 5 years cheap but if he is the best at his position then you'll be paying him alot more than you're paying ET. Safety is position that is easier to play at a high level when you get older, so ET should be still be playing fairly well at the end of his contract.

Mother****erJones 09-26-2018 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13765205)
You're going to hear first that the Chiefs and Seahawks have come to an agreement on the perimeters of a trade and then you'll hear that the Chiefs are in discussions with Thomas and his agent on an extension.

This 100%

T-post Tom 09-26-2018 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13765195)
i feel like we have some momentum now - Billay saw a FO member at that gay bar and Seth is saying we have money - we have a message out there on FB for him. This is happening folks - buy your Earl Thomas pillow-cases now!

yes, Yes, YEs, YES, YES!

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ToxSocks 09-26-2018 04:17 PM

OMFG why is he not a Chief yet???

T-post Tom 09-26-2018 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13765254)
OMFG why is he not a Chief yet???

It will happen at the exact time this thread hits 3000 posts.

Strongside 09-26-2018 04:28 PM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Penis.

MahiMike 09-26-2018 04:29 PM

I'm seeing talk here as if there's some inside info?

Warrick 09-26-2018 04:30 PM

Wishful thinking, along the same lines as Berry playing in the Broncos game.

arrowheadnation 09-26-2018 04:32 PM

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Simply Red 09-26-2018 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrick (Post 13765284)
Wishful thinking, along the same lines as Berry playing in the Broncos game.

No I think most know it'll be JAX home game.

Sassy Squatch 09-26-2018 04:41 PM

I haven't seen philosoraptor in a long time.

Three7s 09-26-2018 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 13765279)
I'm seeing talk here as if there's some inside info?

Nope, this is Bashaud Breeland v2.

Warrick 09-26-2018 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13765305)
No I think most know it'll be JAX home game.

Simply put, they're both not happening.

rabblerouser 09-26-2018 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13765106)
So why isn't the deal done then? If they actually want MORE than a 1st rounder you say thanks but no thanks and hang up.

Earl wants more money if he's not going to Dallas.

Sassy Squatch 09-26-2018 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13765324)
Earl wants more money if he's not going to Dallas.

Then I'd just let Dallas trade for him.

ToxSocks 09-26-2018 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13765324)
Earl wants more money if he's not going to Dallas.

Earl wants more money period. Dallas or not.

TwistedChief 09-26-2018 04:58 PM

Another cocktease thread.

Just go buy a lotto ticket and walk back to your car slowly and relish the dream of winning.

Same feeling.

Naptown Chief 09-26-2018 05:03 PM

Earl wants a minimum of 6 crunchy tacos from Taco Bell and 3000 posts. Sources tell me he'd take a huge pay cut if we hit 5000

Eleazar 09-26-2018 05:04 PM

How many times has there been a blockbuster trade like this in the NFL at midseason? Really. It's not going to happen. We are going to lie in the bed that Reid and Veach have made for this year. Watch Pat and be happy we have that for the next 10 years.

rabblerouser 09-26-2018 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13765328)
Then I'd just let Dallas trade for him.

They won't pay what Seattle is asking (because NO ONE will pay what Seattle is asking.)

Seattle needs to take the low 2nd rounder and Veach needs to give Thomas Chunt's $$.

All 3 sides want the deal to happen, but everyone needs to quit directly stepping on each other's dicks.

Sassy Squatch 09-26-2018 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13765350)
They won't pay what Seattle is asking (because NO ONE will pay what Seattle is asking.)

Seattle needs to take the low 2nd rounder and Veach needs to give Thomas Chunt's $$.

All 3 sides want the deal to happen, but everyone needs to quit directly stepping on each other's dicks.

If a 2nd rounder was enough the trade with Dallas is already done.

rabblerouser 09-26-2018 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13765073)
Flipside, though, is if the trade doesn't go through ultimately Seattle is left with a seething extensionless Thomas.

Who is leaving Seattle anyway.

Either deal him to KC and get a low 2nd...

Or let him sign with LA or SF, get a 3rd, and play him twice a year.

Seattle is ****ing stupid for still having him on their roster during week 4.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-26-2018 05:09 PM

This isn't MLB. When's the last time a trade like this happened during the season? Never does...

OnTheWarpath15 09-26-2018 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13765101)
And yeah, I'd say with the talk of the Chiefs wanting the price to come down, it won't be for a first rounder.

And I've come around on this more so today. He can play for 3 or 4 more years at a high level hopefully. That's worth it.

I think that references to "price" not only apply to the compensation Seattle is looking for, but also what Thomas is set to make for the rest of the year.

Every week that goes by, his pro-rated salary for the rest of the season goes down like a half million dollars.

The longer we wait, the more likely the asking price goes down as Seattle gets desperate, and the lower his pro-rated salary is for the rest of the season - getting us under the cap this year without any major moves or restructures.

rabblerouser 09-26-2018 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13765355)
If a 2nd rounder was enough the trade with Dallas is already done.

Well, obviously it's not, but a first and a 3rd is too much, so is a 2nd and 3rd in the same draft.


A 2nd next year and a 3rd in 2020?

I'd be willing to part with that to make it happen...

The Franchise 09-26-2018 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 13765365)
I think that references to "price" not only apply to the compensation Seattle is looking for, but also what Thomas is set to make for the rest of the year.

Every week that goes by, his pro-rated salary for the rest of the season goes down like a half million dollars.

The longer we wait, the more likely the asking price goes down as Seattle gets desperate, and the lower his pro-rated salary is for the rest of the season - getting us under the cap this year without any major moves or restructures.

And the longer that we keep winning.....the less urgency there is to make the trade this very instant. If we were 0-3 with this offense.....then we'd see a trade by now because they'd make it happen.


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