Even with this pitiful game Mahomes is still third in the NFL in TD passes with 11. 0 INTs as well

I see my Patriots winning about 10-11 games.

I don't think it will be enough for the division though. We'll probably slip in at 6th or 7th seed, but I'm guessing 6th.

With that said, good game guys. Hopefully we meet again come playoffs. You'll definitely get there, but now I need to hope we do!

I'm guessing the afc teams will be:

1st: Chiefs
2nd: Bills/Ravens
3rd: Bills/Ravens
4th: Titans
5th: Steelers
6th: Patriots
7th: Colts

Somebody else posted that and I kinda agree with it

Nah. We have Mahomes. He would've found a way to do whatever he needed to do to win the game if necessary..

I'm betting my entire winnings this year on Patriots moneyline if you are the underdog against Buffalo Nov 1.

Doubt it. This team has a tendency to play down to the competition. Hence the struggle vs the Chargers, followed by a game in which they made Baltimore look like the worst team in the league.

You could tell they were going through the motions.

As he should be. They asked him if coverage was more similar to Houston or Chargers. He said Houston. I don’t get why he didn’t apply a strategy similar to Houston game and use a lot of checkdown throws. He seemed to be forcing it downfield in this game.

That's a bad habit that we don't want to develope. The Steelers had that same problem and it ****ed them in a lot of games.

Agreed. Even when he had guys open short, he flat out missed them.
Part of that was due to being harassed by the Patriots D-line on numerous occasions.
But , in general, he just had a poor game.

Fox News has story accusing Mahomes of flopping. Unreal. We are the new Patriots.

I bet we beat Buffalo honestly, but still lose the division to them.

They're an overall better team atm, but I have a gut feeling. If we're underdogs, I don't blame you for taking that bet.

That is pretty ridiculous.

Haha, Mahomes did oversell it a bit.

Exactly.

Yep.

Maybe because it was the Patriots? It looked a bit like he was forcing it.

link?

My theory right now on ways you can effectively defend the Chiefs are this.

1) Be the Patriots, coached by Bill Belichick with an elite secondary, dropping 8 into coverage and forcing Mahomes to throw in tight windows often.

2) 49ers/Chargers cover 3/6 scheme with an elite front 4 that can get home on their own often.

But even still, neither of these two defensive strategies have ever worked for a full 4 quarters. We just have to be better about taking what they give underneath early on to set everything else up...

I'm convinced of this. That doesn't mean he is never going to lose a game, just that we are always going to be in the game, have a chance to win.


Had a conversation with a San Fran fan a couple of weeks ago, He was still talking that if Grapo had hit Sanders on that bomb they would have won. 1:33 left in the game. 2 time outs left. Field goal wins it. You don't think Mahomes would have led the team down and won the game? He finally admitted probably.

I would too just for the sake of sleeping a little better at night.

I still contend that Fenton ended up in decent position on that play and might have gotten a hand on it even if it was a decent throw.

Yep. I think Pat was trying too hard to make a statement on the Patriots defense instead of just taking it more cautious.

They need to involve CEH in the passing game more. He really looked good on the edges last night but they didn't use it a lot, running or passing.

I have to wonder if they weren't just trying to get out of there with a win and kind of shut things down.

Andy was a lot more conservative than usual. Maybe he didn't want to break out new plays until the Bills, put more on film? Which would be totally understandable.
Even with Romo calling the Hill and Mecole runs "trick plays", the WR coming across has been in the playbook and used frequently since Mahomes became starter. It's not new and its not a trick play/

Playcalling felt pretty vanilla compared to Baltimore game. Still would like to see Mahomes grow more on the game manager aspect. This felt like a step backwards on that front. The checkdown throws are there and he needs to take them like he did in Houston game. Still only 25 years old with a lot of room for improvement.

There’s a method to Andy’s madness, I do like to think. They had to know that 20 points would win the game entering last night.

I mean, it’s been obvious that we are running the ball better off the edges with Clyde and the jet sweeps, yet they seem to be rarely used. We kept running inside zone plays behind Wylie to the right last night and seemingly never behind Osemele to the left, which was odd to me too. Perhaps Andy is just wanting to get them a bunch of game reps to work on the blocking aspect, letting Clyde read those blocks too.

My plan to stop the Chiefs:

Rush 2 & drop 9 into coverage. Chiefs have no answers. OL can’t block well enough to get a running game working.

Offense runs the ball on 1st & 2nd down. Throw a check down pass to a RB on any 3rd down. Use the whole play clock to eat up time. Keep the chains moving & the clock running.

Also it would help if the refs cooperated by not blowing a play dead when we sack the QB. & hold onto Mahomes interceptions he throws.

Win

I'm sure he's also putting tendencies on tape for some of our upcoming opponents to see.

One issue seemed to be that Watkins is a primary underneath option for him and Mahomes never gave him another chance after the fumble. I thought that was a mistake, Gilmore just made a spectacular play there.

Against Houston and Baltimore, Watkins for 7+ yards seemed automatic.

I agree with this. I think that first AFCCG still sticks in his craw a bit.

Also, remember the critical personal foul we got in that game for brushing Brady's helmet? Maybe Fox can run a story about that. 4321

Yep, like I said before, Pat seemed to be forcing it a bit. Looking for stuff that wasn't really there.

I think 2nd down draw play to CEH with Kelce on the sidelines has been run enough to achieve full "tendencies" level.

It's nice that we can get by with random castoffs at guard, center, guard but it does show from time to time.

I thought we moved the ball well to start but we kept kicking FG's and then the Watkins fumble just kept us from getting to another gear.

Happy that the defense got to win one for us and that's fine. It's early in the year, we don't need to peak yet. Just keep winning.

Not to mention the NFL created a rule just to protect their golden boy after he was taken out on a clean hit by Bernard Pollard. I used to think donkey tears were delicious, but patsy tears are twice as good.

Pretty impressive really that Belicheck kept it that close all things considered. Players are such creatures of habit, this had to throw the whole thing out of whack for them.

I'm glad Chiefs came out with the win. I think the Pats end up being the team to come to KC for the AFC champ game.

It looked like the Chiefs weren't really there mentally. They aren't robots and this isn't a video game. I have to believe the thought of Covid-19 was on their minds and a distraction.

As others have said, please get rid of the second down delayed handoff. It doesn't seem to work and even I can see it coming from halfway across the city.

Offensive line didn't protect well and the defensive line had trouble getting pressure. If they had put the first two possessions into the end zone to make it 14-3, I think the rest of the game would have played out very differently.

Mahomes did look like he was pressing; got lucky two passes weren't picked off.

So you agree it was a BS penalty? lol

**** em. Pats fans have had the ref calls for almost 2 decades. They don't know how to act anymore.
Remember the face of the nfl gets those calls and you don't have brady anymore.

My main gripe last night was some of the playcalling. Ceh should not be taking draws up the middle. We telegraphed those. Put him outside with a toss and let him be one on one.

So much this. Was a weird game in general all the way around.

I do enjoy the fact that our QB had an "off" game, but stat line is 66% comp, 239yds, 2TDs, 0INTs. :D

Patrick did a soccer flop but guess what? Tompa Bay boy got calls like that for 20 years. Playback is hell.

I find it amazing that everyone is complaining about the 'in the grasp' call when Brady and Farve got those calls ALL THE TIME.

PM is the face of the league. The Highest paid player. The MAN.
Protect him.


I also could not believe the official made the statement after the game. I did not think that was allowed.

F belichick.

Chiefs have 3 games in 10 days... would imagine once they found out Hoyer was starting, they conserved the playbook.

They might need those plays on a short week in Buffalo....

Patriots had been planning all week to go against the SB champs...so their energy was there. KC seemed like they were going through the motions...

I guess that could be one detrimental thing about having a QB like Mahomes...the players might not always give 100% against lesser teams....thinking Mahomes will win it.

good points

also think the changes and uncertainty killed the MOJO

Frank owns the Pats.

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Predictably, Patriots fans all think they’d have waltzed to a win with Newton. One fan said that they’d have won with Matt Cassel.

Admittedly, it’s possible. But it’s highly likely that Andy calls a very different game in that circumstance, and that the team elevates their play.

I don’t see anyone beating the Chiefs when they’re motivated and focused.

I think almost all of the criticisms in this thread this morning are unwarranted. I definitely didn't see the game the way some of you did.

I thought the Patriots played valiantly and our guys simply struggled to get open consistently against man coverage. They took Kelce away and beat the absolute shit out of him, put Gilmore on Watkins (that's a helluva matchup) and at times, doubled Tyreek. The run game was getting stuffed against 4 man fronts.

Despite that, Mahomes managed the game well. I mean, damn he finished with a QBR of 114 and completed nearly 66% of his passes despite the Patriots clogging up the run game most of the night and dropping 8 into coverage on most passing downs.

The Patriots played a defensively sound game, as expected, and the Chiefs took their best shot and still beat them by 16.

I didn't see a vanilla game plan, I didn't see the Chiefs as "lethargic" or playing down to their competition, I didn't see Mahomes as having an off-night and I didn't see Andy holding back the play calling (That take is ridiculous, the game was in doubt for the first 3 quarters).

I saw a Patriots team that BB had well prepared, and had worked on a game plan all offseason for.

Some of ya'll are moping over a 16 point win against a BB coached football team that brought the best they could.

Now fight me. I'll take you all on.

Now fight me, i'll take you all on.

Ok that's fair. I just want it acknowledged is all lol. I think the Pats lose that game 95% of the time anyway so I'm not too bent outta shape about it. Next time Wise will known to just let Mahomes fall on his own ass instead of trying to keep him up outside the sidelines

And if Chris Jones played, their pass protection wouldn't have held up as well and Cam would be getting blasted. Their running game wouldn't have been prioritized like it was also. I doubt their offensive production changes enough to sway the outcome of the game.

And guess what you salty patriot bitches, beating Covid is part of winning in the NFL. You went with an immature QB who allowed himself to catch it, now you deal with the consequences mother****ers.

Any time a QB takes a violent fall while a defender has his hands on him OUT OF BOUNDS, the QB is going to get the call.

Mahomes didn't flop shit. His momentum carried him out and your boy turned his momentum into a slip and fall.

Don't touch our QB when he's going out of bounds, like that bullshit-non call earlier in the game when one of your boys shoved him on his way out.

THAT should be the lesson you learned. Stop being cheap shotters.

Motivation and disrespect are real things. KC felt slighted last week and took it out on Baltimore. I bet NE felt the same way being eight point underdogs even with Cam, that is a lot in the NFL. They had this game circled since January.
But their fan argument that simply replacing their backup QBs would have won them the game is asinine. Do they really think the game would have unfolded in exactly the same manner play for play?

Below is some bulletin board material for the team. But given the ugly nature of 2/4 wins this year, it’s a very fair analysis.

https://www.nfl.com/news/now-it-feel...iefs-afc-crown

Now it feels like there is a list of contenders for Chiefs' AFC crown

No. I'm not even going to read it.

Your team should be 2-2.

No reason to fight you when you got it all right.

Last night really highlighted our amazing depth at DE. I don’t think any team is as good at the position overall as we are. 4 of our DE’s are on the board for a sack or half/combined sack through 4 weeks. And that’s with Okafor, Clark and Danna each missing time.

We are legitimately 5 deep there which is incredible. Okafor is out, Danna and Taco play well; Danna is out, Okafor and Taco play well.

WR is the best and deepest group on the team, but I think you could make a good case that DE is as good of a group.

LMAO Is this really how we looked in years prior, complaining about what woulda, coulda and shoulda happened?? Pathetic.

Literally no one thought that the Chiefs were in danger of losing that game last night. No one. We've got two convincing wins in weeks 1 and 3, a win in which we played like shit in week 4, and a grind-it-out, completely uncontroversial win in week 2.

We are 4-0. Meanwhile you've got two wins and two "moral victories" lol Deal with it, bitch.

:LOL:

PATS FANS ARE IRRELEVANT

Don't you have a woman to beat or a minority to berate, you Boston trash?

Does this mean your team should have less titles and a lot less wins then?

Yes. Yes we did.

Kraft should get off his massage table and petition the NFL to change 4-0 to 2-2.

Considering a team on his list is the Browns...

A week after teh Chiefs just beat the ever loving piss out of the "contender" for the Chiefs crown, we get this.

Nah. Sorry. It's the Chiefs, then the rest of the AFC until someone beats them.

The narrative today seems to be that Russell Wilson is a far superior QB than Mahomes because of how each played vs the Patriots.

Plus people seem to be missing that the call wasn't on 91, the DE that took Pat out of bounds. It was on 51, the LB that came over and first made contact with him while well out of bounds. It wasn't a vicious hit or anything but there was zero reason for 51 to make any contact at all.

If Mahomes gets a shot at Wilson in the SB then we know that Mahomes will elevate his game to another level, just look at the Bears and Ravens games.
Belichick plays Wilson only once in four years. He is much more familiar with KC. It is also a much more rewarding rivalry for Belichick going up against Reid.

Having a tough time adapting to the post-Brady reality...the entitlement of gift-wrapped wins is hard to shake.

It’s a fair enough assessment. Russell torched Belichick and Mahomes struggled. If both teams take care of business, Patrick will get his chance to prove people wrong in about 4 months.

Yep.

I never feel out of it with Mahomes

Mark Schlereth on the blueprint to beat the Chiefs.

https://player.fm/series/2387809/273825628

Yeah, every time we don't blow someone out, we're exposed.

LMAO

Stinky take.

Wow, that's embarrassing.

Juan Thornhill is playing like a beast. His range is much higher than last year and now Spags is just dicing people with him and Matthieu.

He had a really nice run stick last night in addition to that great INT.

He's almost all the way back now I think.

LOVE TO SEE IT

He doesn't have the name recognition yet but he's playing on a Pro Bowl level.

PATHETIC SCUM!!!!!!

Lol you'll probably never see the Chiefs at .500 as long as Reid and Pat are here. The real question for your turd team is do they even finish .500? This ass whooping might just be the last time you're there all season.

Patriots tears are the best. Keep them coming please and thanks in advance.

I just checked. We’re still 4-0. Have you tried complaining more?