Well his name is right there. LMAO

The Combine is such a minuscule piece of the evaluation puzzle that I think it will have a relatively minimal effect. Primarily, it's a chance for teams to do medicals and interviews. They are getting the interview segment remotely.

I think the most critical portion is that players with medical issues won't be thoroughly evaluated and this will cause them to fall much further than they otherwise would.

The underwear Olympics segment doesn't matter that much, it generally just confirms what their trained eyes see on tape and makes a very modest impact on overall evaluation. Sure, you get the occasional surprise one way or the other but not to the extent it will send many players up or down the board.

True haha. Well, Mr. Matt Lane needs to reconfigure his ****ing table.

Not posting because I want the guy. Posting for the statement.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Chargers are "actively shopping" G Trai Turner.
There's a terrific chance he's simply released if the team can't find a suitor. Turner, 27, was acquired from the Panthers in exchange for OT Russell Okung last offseason but mustered only nine appearances with the Chargers (after previously playing 84 games in Carolina) due to a number of significant injuries experienced mid-year. With Kevin Zeitler's and Andrew Norwell's names recently cropping up as additional available options, the market is expected to be flooded with talented offensive linemen seeking fresh starts. Turner is due $11 million in base salary in 2021.

I disagree.

Not only do teams get to measure each player accurately in terms of height, weight, vision and health, they're also allowed to spend time with these players, which is extremely valuable in determining who's a fit for the lockerroom while eliminating guys that aren't a fit.

Also, the 40 time is extremely important, especially for guys that played in weak conference or FCS schools, which is why we see guys rise up the draft board every single year.

Sure, they can make some evaluations on Pro Days but the most important aspect of The Combine is the level playing field. No one player has an advantage over another like they would at Pro Days, where guys are in a familiar environment. The on field drills are also important, especially for Wide Receivers, because they're all being tested by the same guy throwing the ball, as well as doing it on the same exact field.

You spoke to exactly what I stated.

1) I mentioned medical evaluation as the critical component of the combine.

2) Interviews are still happening, they just are happening via Zoom/WebEx and the like, so that component doesn't get erased.

3) Only a handful of players rise up boards due to running well in underwear. It's not that critical. Are teams going to somehow miss out on the next great player in the NFL because a guy couldn't run at a combine? Doubtful.

4) Your argument that 40-time is important doesn't hold up against what is said by a lot of people in the field. It's one of the least important tests at the combine. That and the bench press. Teams are more concerned with agility drills and jumps to show change of direction and explosive power. The 40 generally proves a guy is fast or slow, and not that they are marginally faster or slower than thought.

When you do get those surprises, the handful a year where you thought they were a 4.5 guy and they are a 4.3 guy, then you have to go back to the tape. That said, if a guy looks 4.5 on tape and runs a 4.3, then you have to question his mental processing speed as the issue of why he plays slower than he times.

5) Drills are not case critical either. While they serve as an additional verification tool, you still have done the primary evaluation. The primary evaluation is always done by the scouts 1st and re-watching tape 2nd. I'd argue in your favor for players that were injured. The drills walk hand-in-hand with medicals for players coming back from injury. I'd sure want to see how Walker Little moves at this point, for example. Not that I still wouldn't draft him, but it might mean a difference in 2-3 rounds.

No, I did not. You stated that the Combine was a "miniscule part", which is false.

Zoom interviews will never replace face-to-face meetings. We're not talking about colleagues that are using Zoom for their job, we're talking about 40+ year old men interviewing 21 year old kids.

It's not the same.

That is completely false. There are always players that were initially pegged as Priority Free Agents that end up sneaking into the 5th, 6th and 7th rounds as well as guys that move up from being projected in the latter rounds to Day 2.

The reverse is also true.

You must be watching a different Combine each year than I am because each and every year, there are guys that run waaaaaaaay faster 40 times than expected and move up the boards, especially the small school guys, and there are guys that can't bench worth a shit that fall because they don't have the necessary strength to play in the NFL immediately.

Well, the dude said half of Chiefs Kingdom is shedding a "tier" so he's obviously pretty smart.

Veach offseason better be extending Tyreek

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There were quite a few people here that felt Justin Britt had either signed with the Chiefs or would sign with the Chiefs but he sign with the Texans today.

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I know what you're saying, I just don't think it's 'chasing positions' when the depth of the draft seems to line up perfectly with needs in 2021 and 2022 forward.

I guess Veach and Reid weren't impressed. That's awful damned cheap.

I’m surprised - he didn’t play at all in 2020 and is coming off an ACL.

I thought he’d sign for $1-2m personally.

I think it's a huge advantage for The Chiefs this offseason. Front office in place, coaching staff in place, schemes well established. More importantly, scouting all experienced and already in place.

With a weird combine and whatnot, the established teams are going to have a big advantage. I bet we get some real gems out of this draft.

They obviously want to upgrade the position.

I hate that I’m setting myself up thinking there’s a chance we actually end up signing Linsley, but I do think there’s a realistic shot at that happening.

Britt was probably never an option.

How would that look?

LT coming back from Achilles
Center coming back from major injury and a missed year????????
Niang coming off major injury and a missed year
Schwartz coming off major back injury that caused him to miss the majority of the year.
LDT...lol
Osemele hahaha

If Justin Britt, who has not played a down since October 2019, is getting $3.2 million then Reiter is probably going to get paid some pretty good money. I’m guessing at least $7 million as a starting point.

Go back and think about all these players that shoot up and down the boards. Do you need more than your 2 hands to count them in any given year?

The answer is no.

You're grossly overplaying the meaningfulness of it on the whole.

I'm not saying it isn't useful but it's not as useful as everything else prior to it. I'm also not saying you're wrong in that some players shoot up or down because of it.

The point is, really, that teams aren't going to miss out on too many players by not having a combine. They'll miss some. They'll get some UDFAs that maybe should have been drafted. They might get some steals on injured players. But as a whole, it's not going to make some monumental difference.

Teams have already set their boards. At this point, it's relatively minor shuffling and capturing a few outliers.

It will be higher than that even.

That’s fine as long as it’s not from us.

Yep. You dont protect Mahomes with a MASH unit.

Also think that these teams dumping good OL shows how good this OL class truly is

Thought this was interesting data

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Aggressive AND smart, that sounds just like Brett Veach to me... 90% of us are going to be pleased as punch with his moves

Might as well get prepared for it because by the middle of October or so, the starting line is going to be Fisher - Wylie - new center - LDT - Schwartz.

LMAO If Niang can't beat out Wylie for a starting job then he's hopeless.

Niang isn't going to play LG.

Based on what? When he was drafted the plan was to play him inside to start. Nothing has changed.

Can’t wait. If that O line is healthy this team can get fitted for another ring. Pass pro would be elite level. Lots of quality depth as well. I’m excited to see what Veach can find at center.

Why do people continue to state this as fact?

There is no ****in' way Wylie plays in front of Allegretti.

Because that's what Veach said....?

”Well I think right off the bat he’ll have a chance to kick in there and compete at guard,” Veach said of Niang in a conference call with the Kansas City media. “This will be a challenge when you have a virtual offseason and how much training camp do we have? So that will be a little bit of a challenge, but you do like the fact that this guy is extremely smart, intelligent. Let’s just play it out, we’ll play best-case scenario that we’re able to start training camp on time, I think you’ll see him pop right in there at guard and compete inside at guard.”

Allegretti will be starting at LG. He was the only offensive lineman worth a shit in the super bowl

Wouldn't be surprised if he was in play to be the starting C.

I see B.J. Finney was released. Any chance that the Chiefs might look around at him for a center or at least depth?

Can't imagine Finney would cost a lot, and a 1 year deal would probably be good for him.

and you can actually run behind him too.

I honestly don't see any reason at all to just assume Fisher and Schwartz are back in there and ready roll that soon, or maybe ever

You like to tamp down expectations too much about the possibility of serious moves being made to shore that unit up for the long term... we'll know for sure in the coming weeks, but you often act like your view is a done deal

I fully admit to being a bit frustrated with the 'MOAR WEAPONS' crowd, when it's clear that it's time to restock the offensive line.

Sammy Watkins caught 37 balls for us in 2020. That's it. 37. And he played in the Super Bowl, and didn't do shit.

But we were 14-1 in games where the starters played.

This thing where we just throw our hands up and say Reiter and Wylie are the best we can do?

**** that.

They're below average.

Both tackles are over 30 and have back problems with one coming off an achilles.

Meanwhile, Tyreek Hill is 27. Kelce is the old man at 31.

And we're supposed to be terrified because we need to replace Sammy Watkins' lousy 37 catches?

Naw, man. You can bring back Drob or Pringle cheap. Draft a kid. Or sign a FA that might stay healthy.

I'm not saying we need to draft all offensive linemen, but it's time to restock and get younger not only for 2021, but 2022 and forward as well.

I'm just as concerned with the DE situation, but you can bring back Charlton and draft a kid there too.

Yeah, we can and should add a WR or TE or just a general offensive weapon.

We might want to make it so that we can actually use our first round pick from last year while we're at it, and get some ****ing blocking.

Just wait for it.

What are the options? Replace Fisher, Schwartz, AND find a new center?

There's not a chance in hell they're replacing 3 or more offensive linemen in one offseason.

Veach said they expect Fisher back. They're going to extend him, you can bank on it. They have to move his salary and they're not going to cut him.

We were all hoping Schwartz would retire - as evidenced by his Twitter feed, he has no intention of doing that. So he's coming back too.

I'm not saying they won't make moves - they certainly will. But I can almost guarantee that the majority of CP isn't going to like them. More than likely, anybody they acquire in the draft won't be in play until 2022. Next year's line is going to look a lot like last year's (2019, not 2020). unless something really dramatic happens.

Everything you said about weapons applies equally to the offensive line.

There's absolutely no reason to panic and over-invest.

YOU CAN ADD WEAPONS AND MAKE THE OFFENSIVE LINE BETTER AT THE SAME TIME.

You can't. Offensive line or bust!

absolutely.

Not at all.

Some people act like it's either or.

And some people want to roll with Reiter and Wylie and act like we can't do better.

I say bullshit.

Veach remade a defense in one offseason.

I don't for a second think he can't get an offensive weapon and restock an offensive line.

Good ****ing grief, people.

The Chiefs signed Remmers early last offseason, signed Kilgore just before Training Camp and Osemele during.

The Chiefs won 14 games during the regular season.

Stop stressing about the offensive line. There will be plenty of talented guys willing to play on the cheap for a ring.

We can convert some of those signing bonuses into salary down the road right to help create some cap space?

Yeah I think some of that is overreaction to the super bowl. The dirty little secret that folks seem to be overlooking is if you rewatch that game vs the Bucs in the regular season they got some pressure on us with Fisher and pretty much shut us down that second half. No doubt we have some issues to address on the offensive line but Andy is going to have to do a better job at making some in game adjustments

Some.

Every ****ing year, this place goes ****ing nuts over offensive lineman. Last year, it was Ruiz, who ****ing sucked ass last season, the year before, it was Center and on and on and on.

The Chiefs under Reid do not place the same value on interior offensive lineman as they do other offensive and defensive positions. That's just the reality of the situation yet threads like these are just ****ing non-stop until the season begins.

If Brett Veach says that Fisher, Schwartz and Mahomes will be ready by Training Camp, why in the **** is everyone questioning Fisher and Schwartz availability but not Mahomes?

It's just a gigantic, never-ending circle jerk.

I think it's the severity of the injuries.

Anyway you'll have LDT and Niang coming in next year so theres already 2 upgrades to the line. Grab a center in the 2nd or 3rd round with Fisher/Schwartz in some capacity that's a pretty solid offensive line.

Hopefully a pass rusher is there at 31 if not BPA

All though I'll throw this out here to drive you crazy Dane. What if Veach is saying that to play games to make teams think tackle isnt a priority so a team wont try and jump in front of us to take a tackle in the draft

People on Chiefsplanet used to say "Wow, wouldn't it be great to have a QB like Tom Brady so that the team wouldn't have to continually spend high draft picks on Offensive Lineman?".

And now that the Chiefs have an MVP, Super Bowl QB it's "Oh!!! FATTIES! Gotta protect the MVP!!!!@!@@@(@@()@(&)@".

It. Never. ****ing. Ends.

The guys available at #31 won't be ready to start Week 1, especially if there's a restricted offseason again, so I just don't foresee that happening.

Having a "chance" to compete for a guard spot, because both tackle spots have been filled, doesn't mean that Niang's career is absolutely, positively going to be at an inside position.

Furthermore, that was one year ago, not last week.

Reid's entire philosophy in regards to offensive lineman is that the "Best 5 guys will play".

That doesn't mean that Niang will spend his career at guard.

I dont know if I agree with that strategy though. The Seahawks line with Wilson has been trash for awhile, Until recently there were a few years where Rodgers line was trash and he got hurt, CP would lose its mind if we drafted a RT in the first the Bucs did that for Brady. Wirffs is a stud.

I’m interested to see what veteran receivers are going to be cut. There’s a good chance that at least one of those guys decides to improve his value with us on a short deal.

I think the market for WR is about to get flooded next week.

Which is why chiefsplanet shouldn't be surprised when Wiley is starting next year. Reid loves the guy and he fits the prototype for a guard in this system.


Niang gave the Chiefs a ton of flexibility and for some reason lil chiefy is still acting like Veach didn't give himself plenty of room to operate.

Since 2016, the Seahawks have taken five guards and two centers.

Their first rounder is no longer with the team. 4 of them are out of the league and two are still in the league.

Their drafts have been awful and they've barely invested in their offensive line, so I don't see that as being anywhere similar to what the Chiefs have done under Reid, especially given that he's taken so many late round picks and turned them into average to above-average players.

Well yeah that's part of it Schnieder/Carroll suck now and Wilson is on pace to be the most sacked QB in NFL history. So yeah a little different situation here but I dont think the line overall was that good and thats before Schwartz went out. Let's be honest he was ass all year. The Buccaneer games come to mind also the game in Denver I think there were 3 straight plays where Mahomes was engulfed.

Another thing to consider as Mahomes cap goes up there will be some decisions to be made in 2022 some key guys contracts expire. IIRC Fisher is one of those guys. You pointed out there might not be a day 1 starter at LT year 1 but years 2 or 3? Gives you some flexibility from that standpoint.

At the end of the day theres alot of ways Veach can go it's great to have options. I'm not really worried about it. I just want someone opposite of Clark as hes too up and down for my liking and think he should probably be shown the door with another season performance like last years.

Point out where I said Niang would spend his entire career at G.

:facepalm:

You need to reread your posts.

"When he was drafted the plan was to play him inside to start."

Don't know how you got him playing at G his whole career out of that statement but alright then.

Schwartz wasn't available for either the Bucs game or the Denver game.

If the line was "ass", the Chiefs wouldn't have won 14 regular season games and made it to the Super Bowl.

When the Chiefs need a starting Left Tackle, I fully expect them to do whatever's necessary to procure one, whether it's trading up in the draft or signing a guy in free agency.

Starting Caliber Left Tackles don't sit on the bench for 2 or 3 years. They're generally drafted in the Top Half of the 1st round or signed in Free Agency.

I think the decision will to sign or draft a guy will be determined by whether or not the Chiefs are in a Championship Window at the time of need.

JFC, you can't even remember what you posted an hour ago.

Again. How did you extrapolate Niang playing at G his entire career out of that statement? I even posted the context of what Veach said and you turned it into this.

The talk of Niang starting at G was obviously when Fisher and Schwartz were healthy in a way to get your best 5 on the field.

Given the current situation, I don’t think he’s starting off at G coming into camp.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see Niang win the starting LT job while Fisher is out.

While I agree with Dane’s points, I think the SB did something to motivate Veach that he is now willing to spend high draft picks on fatties.

It could all happen. We spend high draft picks on fatties, pick up offensive weapons and pick up OL depth right before training camp.

I was saying overall the line especially Schwartz and the interior underperformed most of the year IMO.

As far as your comment regarding not sitting a guy for a year we essentially did that with Fisher yes I know he played RT which IMO is a mistake. I think the Chiefs title window expands more than just this year which while I wouldnt agree with the decision to take a LT 1.31 I would understand the reasoning.

I never said that.

I just want good football players, as many of them as possible.

Now, when your QB scrambles for 500 ****ing yards in a SB and can't get the ball to any of his weapons, maybe you might want to think about the fact that both tackles that were out are north of 30, with back problems, and an achilles. That your center sucks balls and your RG is also lousy.

Now, you've got a draftee coming in; and you get LDT back, and that's cool. and if Fisher and Schwartz are really ready to go that's great. But I don't think it's a bad idea to move up the offensive line from afterthought to medium priority.

we're all so worried about replacing Sammy ****ing Watkins and his 37 ****ing receptions. (421 yards).

Do you realize that Drob had more catches for more yards? (45 receptions, 466 yards)And Mecole Hardman had more than that even.(41 receptions, 560 yards.)

We don't have a weapons problem.

We have a line that can't run block well. Once Osemele went out, our running yardage dropped. It shot up in the first Bills game because we committed to the run with Kilgore and Alegretti. We could run center-left all day, and we did. Kilgore can't pass block, so back comes Reiter and we can't run the ball again.

We're the ****ing best team in football, with the best QB in football, and we've got bullshit in front of him.

For two years I kept hearing about how we needed a better RB. So we take one #31-and yeah, we still can't run the ball effectively.

We haven't run the ball well since Morse got injured, really. Not consistently.

Reiter sucks. Wylie sucks. These are not guys that should be starting on a Super Bowl quality team.

By all means, we should draft an 'X' receiver. We should draft a DE, and we should do so high. Maybe take another of each as developmental players later.

But it's time to devote some legitimate draft capital to the offensive line.

I have no doubt at all that Veach will do so.

What I don't get is-

Dane- if we were 14-1 with this line, so we don't have a problem-

Well, we were 14-1 with Drob and Hardman outperforming Watkins.

So what's the problem? Why is it so desperate that we find MOAR WEAPONS?

Whoever is still going to be option #3. Maybe #4 after Clyde has an actual offseason to be integrated.

I really don't understand why anyone would willingly go into another season content with Reiter and Wylie as your starters and think that's acceptable.

**** that.

I guess what really frustrates me is this idea that-

We can't improve the line and add a weapon. And really, there's only room for maybe one more day one weapon. I mean legitimately, that's what we're talking about. There's really only room for a legit #2, and the rest of the skill position set is stacked. (yes I know Drob is a FA, and Pringle a FA, these are pieces you can afford if you want to.)

And somehow, if you want to improve the line, you're some neanderthal Martyball hold-over that's pining for the days of Okoye and three yards and a cloud of dust.

I'm pretty sure Veach, Reid, and Spags and walk and chew gum.

I wouldn't either, and I would be thrilled with that development.

I also don't think we should stand pat and expect that result.

whatever. I spent the day tearing out and rebuilding my master bathroom with a box of wine.

I'm half in my cups.

It's pretty cool to have the best QB in football and argue about whether he needs more weapons or more blocking.

It's all good.

Nobody WANTS to roll with Reiter and Wylie. But what are you going to do if they do?

I for one am not looking forward to BitchPlanet again. We won a ****ing Super Bowl and the honeymoon lasted a handful of months. Miserable mother****ers.

The hell we don't.

There were plenty of plays where the line held off pressure and Patrick had nowhere to go with the ball.

Reek and Kelce were blanketed and the other shitstains couldn't get open.

You saying we don't have a weapons problem is like me saying the offensive line is fine.

Neither is true.

You're going to have to give up the Reiter thing. He's not that bad. According to NGS and PFF, he was one of the best centers in football.

He's about to get paid by somebody.

And as for "willingly" going into next season and thinking that's "acceptable", once again, you're conflating what I WANT with what I think will happen.

I don't think they're going to do nearly enough to placate the people here.

:)

It's actually been great fun away from this board.

Here's the thing-I'm a college drop-out flunkie guitar player. (I've acquired other skillsets too, but that's what I identify as, in a tongue in cheek way) I was a mediocre high school TE/DE. (too skinny, not fast enough).

I know a little about football. I also know enough to know that I don't know nearly as much as Bret Veach and Andy Reid.

So if I see something, I know they saw it too and know better than I do what to do about it. Sometimes with guys like Carl Peterson, I think egos got in the way to where they refused to see what was plain.

I trust Veach and Reid. I know Andy's got to be pissed that all of his glorious plays he spends so much time drawing up get thrashed in a second and a half because his line sucks. Yeah, Mahomes bails it out a lot, but I mean...that ain't the way the offense is designed. It's a nice thing to go to in a pinch when you have to, but it's been a problem for a while now, it just got amplified in the Super Bowl.

It's all going to be okay, and as long as number 15 is standing, we'll be in the hunt.

And I expect whatever problems the team has in 2021, they won't be the same ones we had in 2020. I just think Veach and Reid are too smart for that.

well, you know, the other guys get paid too.

I mean sometimes that's the way it goes. The best offenses in football history have punted on occasion.

We legitimately have room for ONE offensive weapon to be added that would be of any real impact, to be a healthy Sammy Watkins role in this offense. I mean there's only one football. That's really it. ONE.

We have two of the most potent weapons in the league. We have another so far underutilized weapon in CEH. I think a regular offseason makes a difference there. (oh, and maybe some better blocking.)

Yeah, I mean, we could use a legit #2 that could actually play every week. But it's not like we're hurting for weapons.

We're literally trotting out trash at 40% of our offensive line to START WITH. Before injuries.

and yeah, Reiter SUCKS. I don't care what PFF says. Wylie BLOWS. They're bad. They're back-up level guys and shouldn't be starting on a Super Bowl caliber team.

and I won't give up on the Reiter thing. I think he's shite, and someone's going to overpay him, and they're going to be really bummed out.

Because he's shite.

:)

and again, I'm half crocked, but my master bathroom shower was leaking into my kitchen, and I had to demo the walls around it because the drywall was ruined, and I'm re-tiling the whole thing and while it's going to look really great when I'm done...

yeah, I'm a box of wine down, 'cuz I'm classy. :)