Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7219333)

Howard has never been worth a dogs shaved ass. Producing how? Because he made tackles 7 yards down field? You flat out did not watch the guy play if you say he was producing and that isn't even a ****ing argument. The guy sucked. He's riding pine for a reason now.

Furthermore, Hali is still the only pass rush threat we have. If we get someone on the otherside of the him, he's going to be a 10+ sack a year guy. I think everyone should ****ing know that by now.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7219359)

Thomas Howard was never Ray Lewis, but he was an effective weakside cover backer, which is one of the reasons why he snagged a fair number of picks, and made some big plays for the Fade on occasion.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7219375)

Dude seriously, grabbing a few picks doesn't make him worth shit. He never was. He got blowed up (to quote Emmitt Smiff) regularly, and was a big reason why that run defense was so putrid. I'm not even going to debate it anymore. The guy is, and was garbage. Period. He's riding the pine behind a guy that isn't much better. He wasn't Ray Lewis when Ray was on injured reserve. He wasn't even a poor mans Derrick Brooks. He just sucked. I don't care what his tackles were. Donnie Edwards made a shit load of tackle.....19 yards past the line. But even Donnie was a better player than Thomas Howard. Don't even try to argue this one Hamas. That guy is garbage.



Playing with his hand in the dirt against left tackles with no one else around him. Obviously the guy is lot better than Thomas ****ing Howard. I don't throw the baby out with the bath water, which is what you do. Tamba had a bad year so hey, **** him. It's dumb Hamas. Lots of guys have down seasons.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7219242)

Mecca drafted Sam Bradford in the mock.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 7219397)

He didn't draft him someone else drafted him because Mecca was too busy to make his pick.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7219393)

No one said that Thomas Howard was great or even that good. However, a poor man's Donnie Edwards (and that's exactly what he was) was a far more productive player in 2008 than Tamba Hali. Do you remember how ****ing bad he was? How he was absolutely annihilated against the run? You talk about Howard getting killed against the run, Hali was the worst run defending DE in the league not named Dwight Freeney.

Essentially everyone had given up on Tamba Hali before halfway through 2009. You weren't here, so you have the benefit of claiming that you didn't. Congrats. I was here, I read the ****ing posts and posted in the thread. The guy was a massive target of vitriol. He was viewed as a situational, complementary pass rusher who was horrible against the run.

And expecting a first round draft pick to beat a LT when single covered is not a Herculean task.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7219393)

No one said that Thomas Howard was great or even that good. However, a poor man's Donnie Edwards (and that's exactly what he was) was a far more productive player in 2008 than Tamba Hali. Do you remember how ****ing bad he was? How he was absolutely annihilated against the run? You talk about Howard getting killed against the run, Hali was the worst run defending DE in the league not named Dwight Freeney.

Essentially everyone had given up on Tamba Hali before halfway through 2009. You weren't here, so you have the benefit of claiming that you didn't. Congrats. I was here, I read the ****ing posts and posted in the thread. The guy was a massive target of vitriol. He was viewed as a situational, complementary pass rusher who was horrible against the run.

And expecting a first round draft pick to beat a LT when single covered is not a Herculean task.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7218865)

Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 7219532)

ahem...excuse me.... I called that this was the best defense for him and that he would do well. I really didn't have any doubts that he would. Frankly, it was a very, very good fit given his athletic ability.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7219551)

Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7219242)

Mecca drafted Sam Bradford in the mock.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7219973)

Is that supposed to mean he liked Bradford? Cuz there's about 200 posts of evidence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 3176571)

We need help at DE. Hali was the #2 DE on the Chiefs draft board. I'm not upset by the pick at all.