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OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5477915)
Regardless of that, he has football experience and despite what people have said to knock him down, he was at least average on the pro level. I would say that even considering the offense, he has already far outperformed guys like Kyle Boller, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith, and Tim Couch. I think too many are assuming that Thigpen's performance in 2008 was easily replicable. Even if it was a college-form offense, it was still a pro style offense simply because it showed some effectiveness on the pro level.
No, it didn't. It showed effectiveness for half of each game.

You can't compare Thigpen to guys that play in a real offense, they are being asked to do way more than Thigpen is.

Considering he was running the spread, his numbers aren't really that great.

Like I said before:

Tyler Thigpen wouldn't start on any of the other 31 teams in the league.

Why?

None of them would be willing to scrap their current offensive philosophy to install the Pistol so he can be somewhat effective.

RealSNR 02-10-2009 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5477923)
Please don't tell me Kiper thinks the Chiefs will draft Cullen Harper instead of Sanchez or Stafford.
They left that open as an option. They think if the Chiefs pass on Sanchez, that Sanchez will fall pretty far down the board, which would leave the Chiefs in a position to take Nate Davis/whomever as the 3rd QB taken with their 2nd round pick.

I would be extremely lukewarm towards that. We may as well throw our 1st rounder at Cassell if we're going to do that.

DaneMcCloud 02-10-2009 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477741)
I want a guy like Manning, Brady, Brees.
Who doesn't?

Though Brees has yet to won anything of significance.

Numbers aren't important to me. WINNING is important to me. Ben Rothlisberger isn't going to win any style points but he already has TWO Super Championships in only 4 seasons in the league.

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5477936)
They left that open as an option. They think if the Chiefs pass on Sanchez, that Sanchez will fall pretty far down the board, which would leave the Chiefs in a position to take Nate Davis/whomever as the 3rd QB taken with their 2nd round pick.

I would be extremely lukewarm towards that. We may as well throw our 1st rounder at Cassell if we're going to do that.
I'm curious as to what they think is "pretty far down the board."

If we pass on him, there's no way he falls past 22, and he realistically still goes in the Top 10, IMO.

8 - Jaguars

10 - Niners

17 - Jets

18 - Bears

19 - Bucs

20 - Detroit

22 - Vikings

RealSNR 02-10-2009 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5477943)
Who doesn't?

Though Brees has yet to won anything of significance.

Numbers aren't important to me. WINNING is important to me. Ben Rothlisberger isn't going to win any style points but he already has TWO Super Championships in only 4 seasons in the league.
I don't understand this argument.

Please tell me what Drew Brees can do to improve his play to put his team over the hump. The reason why the Saints did poorly this year is obviously his fault. 5000 yards, eh? I'd rather have wins.

Seriously, the man throws for 5000 ****ing yards. At some point you have to acknowledge that there's not that much he can do, besides put up points. His team has to play well around him, which they didn't.

Sam Hall 02-10-2009 09:41 PM
My problem with Cassell is I wouldn't throw those draft picks and that kind of contract at the next Matt Schaub.

As for Cullen Harper, he ripped Tommy Bowden after he was fired. He isn't the character player Pioli wants. I saw him lose his cool when Nebraska pressured him throughout the second half of the Gator Bowl. He went into the tank emotionally.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5477849)
. Those who believe that Thigpen should be the outright starter and that no competition should be brought in,
I have seen literally nobody advocate this.

Smed1065 02-10-2009 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5477904)
Here's a scenario I don't think the Thigpen supporters can defend: Thigpen keeps it on the option, gets hit in the ribs by a linebacker and is taken off on a stretcher. Croyle is our backup quarterback.
Versus Sanchez starts, the O-line sucks and NFL speed plus experience as QB is too much and we have to revert to the back up because the O-line still sucks 3 years in a row.

Now we have 20 million guaranteed tied up and have to draft offensive players in a defensive draft year?

Mama Hip Rockets 02-10-2009 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5477943)
Who doesn't?

Though Brees has yet to won anything of significance.

Numbers aren't important to me. WINNING is important to me. Ben Rothlisberger isn't going to win any style points but he already has TWO Super Championships in only 4 seasons in the league.
contrary to popular belief, football is a team sport, not a one-man sport.

brees could have easily won the super bowl with that team. similarly, roethlisberger would not have won it with the saints.

Smed1065 02-10-2009 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5477943)
Who doesn't?

Though Brees has yet to won anything of significance.

Numbers aren't important to me. WINNING is important to me. Ben Rothlisberger isn't going to win any style points but he already has TWO Super Championships in only 4 seasons in the league.
Lets compare the defensive units both years them for both?

Sam Hall 02-10-2009 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477794)
You all do know we could pick a QB first and still greatly improve the line right?
This

Sign Jason Brown to play center and draft a guard or right tackle.

RealSNR 02-10-2009 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 5477972)
contrary to popular belief, football is a team sport, not a one-man sport.

brees could have easily won the super bowl with that team. similarly, roethlisberger would not have won it with the saints.
Clearly you don't understand that Roethlisberger is a jedi knight who is able to summon The Force with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter for every game he plays.

Well, if it's not that, how else do you justify not wanting Brees on your team? Seriously... 5000 yards? That's more yards than some starting QBs manage in 2 seasons.

doomy3 02-10-2009 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5477943)
Who doesn't?

Though Brees has yet to won anything of significance.

Numbers aren't important to me. WINNING is important to me. Ben Rothlisberger isn't going to win any style points but he already has TWO Super Championships in only 4 seasons in the league.
You must be kidding.

DaneMcCloud 02-10-2009 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5477954)
I don't understand this argument.

Please tell me what Drew Brees can do to improve his play to put his team over the hump. The reason why the Saints did poorly this year is obviously his fault. 5000 yards, eh? I'd rather have wins.

Seriously, the man throws for 5000 ****ing yards. At some point you have to acknowledge that there's not that much he can do, besides put up points. His team has to play well around him, which they didn't.
There is no argument. It was a factual statement.

doomy3 02-10-2009 09:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 5477972)
contrary to popular belief, football is a team sport, not a one-man sport.

brees could have easily won the super bowl with that team. similarly, roethlisberger would not have won it with the saints.
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5477980)
Clearly you don't understand that Roethlisberger is a jedi knight who is able to summon The Force with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter for every game he plays.

Well, if it's not that, how else do you justify not wanting Brees on your team? Seriously... 5000 yards? That's more yards than some starting QBs manage in 2 seasons.
This.


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