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Mecca 04-09-2009 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5655829)
Is that your final answer as to why Sanchez has more upside than Cassel? If so, I don't think that I'm going to be winning the CP Stupidity prize any time soon. You are a virtual lock for that award - if this is why you think Sanchez has more upside than Cassel. Feel free to amend your post/answer if not.

I think you lost all credibility on this issue when you acted like Sam Bradford was a can't miss prospect...

But anyway the only thing Cassel has over Sanchez, is he's taller that's it.

SAUTO 04-09-2009 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5655821)
Sanchez has something those guys don't have and Cassel doesn't have either...the IT factor, all it takes is 1 time watching him or listening to his teammates to realize Sanchez has that thing about him that will make him a top player.

i would agree about sanchez having the IT factor and bradford/mccoy not.

i would disagree about you assesment of cassel's IT factor. he's got it. players that played with him have said it. coaches that work with him have said it. watch the end of the jets game you'll see IT. they lost in OT but he never got the ball in OT. he brought them back to tie with one of the BEST on the run throws in A LONG time

DaneMcCloud 04-09-2009 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5655829)
Is that your final answer as to why Sanchez has more upside than Cassel? If so, I don't think that I'm going to be winning the CP Stupidity prize any time soon. You are a virtual lock for that award - if this is why you think Sanchez has more upside than Cassel. Feel free to amend your post/answer if not.

Is this a real question?

For one, Sanchez is 5 years younger. That alone should be proof enough that he's got more "upside".

Besides that, he actually started 16 games at USC and won a bowl game. Cassel couldn't even get on the field.

Do I really need to continue?

Saccopoo 04-09-2009 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5655821)
Sam Bradford is not half the prospect Sanchez is, his pretty stats don't make him a great prospect same for Colt McCoy.

Sanchez has something those guys don't have and Cassel doesn't have either...the IT factor, all it takes is 1 time watching him or listening to his teammates to realize Sanchez has that thing about him that will make him a top player.

The "IT" factor? That's all you got? Yeesh.

Seems to me that the coaches and players who played with Cassel in the NFL seem to all praise his work ethic, smarts, knowledge of the game, his huddle demeanor, etc. What's the difference again?

Mecca 04-09-2009 05:54 PM

Guys with the IT factor don't go 7 years without playing.

Mecca 04-09-2009 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5655840)
The "IT" factor? That's all you got? Yeesh.

Seems to me that the coaches and players who played with Cassel in the NFL seem to all praise his work ethic, smarts, knowledge of the game, his huddle demeanor, etc. What's the difference again?

I love the idea that we're going to start developing our future QB at 27 years old, makes a ton of sense.

philfree 04-09-2009 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5655821)
Sam Bradford is not half the prospect Sanchez is, his pretty stats don't make him a great prospect same for Colt McCoy.

Sanchez has something those guys don't have and Cassel doesn't have either...the IT factor, all it takes is 1 time watching him or listening to his teammates to realize Sanchez has that thing about him that will make him a top player.

Which is as easily detectable from behind ones computer watching video as Aaron Curry's intensity.


PhilFree:arrow:

SAUTO 04-09-2009 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5655835)
I think you lost all credibility on this issue when you acted like Sam Bradford was a can't miss prospect...AGREED

But anyway the only thing Cassel has over Sanchez, is he's taller that's it.

i dont agree with the 2nd part, he's taller, weighs more, has PLAYED in the NFL, he throw sas good on the run, is every bit as fast(running) throws intermediate balls every bit as well, hits WRs on the run as well (or better remember sanchez has done everything against lesser competition)

DaneMcCloud 04-09-2009 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5655843)
Which is as easily detectable from behind ones computer watching video as Aaron Curry's intensity.


PhilFree:arrow:

Uh, no.

Saccopoo 04-09-2009 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5655839)
Is this a real question?

For one, Sanchez is 5 years younger. That alone should be proof enough that he's got more "upside".

Besides that, he actually started 16 games at USC and won a bowl game. Cassel couldn't even get on the field.

Do I really need to continue?

Yes please, as a home game against an overrated Penn State with the best defense in college doesn't necessarily sell it.

Saccopoo 04-09-2009 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5655841)
Guys with the IT factor don't go 7 years without playing.

They do if they are playing behind two Heisman trophy winners and Tom Brady.

Reaper16 04-09-2009 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5655829)
Is that your final answer as to why Sanchez has more upside than Cassel? If so, I don't think that I'm going to be winning the CP Stupidity prize any time soon. You are a virtual lock for that award - if this is why you think Sanchez has more upside than Cassel. Feel free to amend your post/answer if not.


I've already answered this question for you in another thread, and plenty of us have answered it on numerous, numerous occasions. But I'll give you a succinct answer that I agree with:

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5546677)
That aside, Sanchez has a better arm, elite intangibles, phenomenal footwork, he's four years younger, he operates very well under center (Cassel was far more effective from Shotgun), and he didn't have to have the best offense in the NFL in order to have slightly above average production.


philfree 04-09-2009 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5655842)
I love the idea that we're going to start developing our future QB at 27 years old, makes a ton of sense.

He's already had four years of developement in the NFL. He went 11-5 in the 16 games he played in. So Pioli and McDaniels wanted Cassel because he's not ready to be a starter? Sure.

PhilFree:arrow:

Mecca 04-09-2009 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5655846)
i dont agree with the 2nd part, he's taller, weighs more, has PLAYED in the NFL, he throw sas good on the run, is every bit as fast(running) throws intermediate balls every bit as well, hits WRs on the run as well (or better remember sanchez has done everything against lesser competition)

If you're going to use weight Sanchez is actually bigger because he's roughly 6lbs lighter while being shorter...

I will not give Cassel the throws on the run thing Sanchez is as good as they come at that. They're similar in their athletic ability and ability to escape the pocket, Sanchez is not fast but he's very savvy when he scrambles. He always manages to keep someone between him and a defender to get the ball out.

One huge thing Sanchez has over Cassel is when he drops back his feet are better. He sets up much quicker and his release is alot faster.

SAUTO 04-09-2009 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5655841)
Guys with the IT factor don't go 7 years without playing.

he's played behind tom brady... again TOM BRADY, and leinart at usc, oh and everyone's favorite palmer at usc. so he's played behind 3 guys that are MULTIPLE HEISMAN N.C. WINNING QB'S and a FIRST BALLOT HOFer multiple time MVP SUPER BOWL WINNING QB.

so yeah lets use that against him


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