Here's a question though:

How many of those guys wouldn't have been chosen after their first year? No one but Charles.

Now, how many of the dozens and dozens of players that Pioli has brought in would qualify?

JFC.

There isn't a player worth his salt on this team that could demand a trade.

No one's in a contract year, none of these guys have ANY leverage.

A second or third year player isn't going to demand a trade, especially given the weakness of the Chiefs roster. They aren't three deep (or even two deep) ANYWHERE.

For ****'s Sake, stop it.

Without Herm's boys the 2009 Chiefs are the worst offense and defense in league history.

That's a stretch to blame a 2-14 record on a draft 3 years before. Bitching about 4-12 now is kind of hypocritical isnt it?

Exactly. He drafted like shit and he left Herm a roster full of 30+ year olds nearing retirement. No team was set to sink more than the one Herm was handed.

Hate Herm or not, it's impossible to not see that the roster he inherited was in horrendous shape.

Probably true. You brought up the QB rating.

Not really. We hit rock bottom bc Vermeil was dumb son of a bitch drafting.

You have to be the dumbest mother****er to ever post on the 'Planet.

Seriously? Are you ****ing kidding ME?

Since when does leverage have to do with player discontent?

Everybody was all over it when Whitlock was writing about Waters crying.

No, I didn't.

When some of us have to defend Herm ****ing Edwards proves what a piss poor job Pioli did last year.

Waters is 33 years ****ing old.

He can demand a trade all he wants but the bottom line is that he's not worth ****ing shit.

Someone MIGHT give us a 7th round pick for him and he may not even make that team.

He's smart enough to collect his big paycheck from the Chiefs and keep his ****ing mouth SHUT.

It's not about a draft 3 years before. It's about drafts 3-10 years before. And the fact that everybody knew--that almost all the starters were over 30.

The roster Herm handed over to Haley was young, wasn't tied to a bunch of people under the cap, and had at least a core of foundational young players to build off of.

You can't even pretend that Haley and Herm inherited a similar situation. And by the way, Pioli pushed the process back only because he forced a 3-4 defense, even though Herm's defense was only a few pieces away from a pretty solid 4-3.

:) Seriously are you arguing the post or the poster? Why is it a stretch to ask that. We are going to say Herm was great but he went 2-14 because of Vermiel but we can bitch we went 4-12 after 1 Pioli draft.

I understand the change in philosophy with player acquisition in 2008 but damn man, 2-14?

We won 4 games with a reeruned head coach and a non contributing 2009 draft.

The Chiefs should have gutted the team in 2006 instead of 2008.