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O.city 03-26-2014 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10518027)
All I'm saying is that if Fischer came out in this years draft instead of last, what round would he fall to? 2nd? 3rd? I don't have any idea... I just know that had he come out this year, he wouldn't have near the expectation on his shoulders that he has now. So the expectation really has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the year that he was drafted.

I don't care If it's the worst draft ever, if a guy taken at 1.1 would go in the 2 or 3 round a year later, it was a god awful pick

temper11 03-26-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10518033)
So Dorsey just sucks at talent evaluation then. Got it.

Why does that mean Dorsey sucks at talent evaluation? (maybe he does... I don't really know, but I don't think this one draft pick after one year can be an indication of anything at this point). The offensive line is one of the hardest positions to play well in football. Making the jump from college to the pros is difficult to do at the tackle position. Fischer may still be a great right tackle. Just because he didn't come out as strong as you wanted him to, doesn't mean he won't.

temper11 03-26-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10518042)
I don't care If it's the worst draft ever, if a guy taken at 1.1 would go in the 2 or 3 round a year later, it was a god awful pick

But if that guy taken at 1.1 in 2013, that would have gone in 2nd or 3rd round in 2014, was the best available player in 2013, is that still a god awful pick?

RealSNR 03-26-2014 11:24 AM

"Fischer?" We're not talking about chess grandmasters, are we?

temper11 03-26-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10518039)
So all this "hope for next year" bullshit is just that...

Dorsey doesn't have a ****ing clue.

I hope you realize you've caught yourself in a catch 22 here.

How have I caught myself in a catch 22?

RealSNR 03-26-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10518053)
But if that guy taken at 1.1 in 2013, that would have gone in 2nd or 3rd round in 2014, was the best available player in 2013, is that still a god awful pick?

Take the next step. Come on. You can do it.

What's a more likely explanation?

O.city 03-26-2014 11:25 AM

Had we taken fisher at 23, I'd agree.

But he was touted as the best player in the entire draft.

Rausch 03-26-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10518053)
But if that guy taken at 1.1 in 2013, that would have gone in 2nd or 3rd round in 2014, was the best available player in 2013, is that still a god awful pick?

He wasn't though...

temper11 03-26-2014 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10518057)
"Fischer?" We're not talking about chess grandmasters, are we?

Yes... aren't we?

Pablo 03-26-2014 11:26 AM

Isn't there a thread hanging around here from NFLN or some-such with a 2013 Re-Draft; and our boy Fisher was at 31 or 32?

O.city 03-26-2014 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10518053)
But if that guy taken at 1.1 in 2013, that would have gone in 2nd or 3rd round in 2014, was the best available player in 2013, is that still a god awful pick?

Was he the best player available? Evidence isn't proving that very well

temper11 03-26-2014 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10518065)
He wasn't though...

Ok... I don't know that he was or wasn't. I don't follow college football much. I do know however that it wasn't a surprise to anyone that he was drafted there and Lineman were the hot commodity in last years draft. So a good many people who do follow college football thought that he was one of the best players available - wasn't Dorsey alone.

temper11 03-26-2014 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10518068)
Was he the best player available? Evidence isn't proving that very well

Well... Chiefs FO doesn't have the benefit of hindsight at the time of the draft.

O.city 03-26-2014 11:30 AM

We now have evidence of him playing at the nfl level, against nfl level competition.

O.city 03-26-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10518073)
Well... Chiefs FO doesn't have the benefit of hindsight at the time of the draft.

Good god.

Then they're shitty at their evaluation or the obviously messed up somewhere.


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