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-King- 06-22-2015 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11561218)
If I'm not mistaken, you listed Andrew Luck in your elite tier 1 earlier. Now go ahead and post Luck's postseason stats.

They aren't great. They are about as good as Matt Ryans. But that's what happens when you have to carry your team and your defense is giving up 28+ points per game. What would happen if he didn't need to force passes and only needed 15 points to win instead of 30? How great would Wilson be if he needed 300+ yards and 3 TDs to win instead of 175 yards and 1 or 2 TDs?

Seattle is a QBs heaven. If you get 2 TDs, you're most likely going to win. Anything more and it's a blow out.

RunKC 06-22-2015 03:21 PM

Going into 2015..

Franchise QB's
Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Big Ben
Luck

2nd tier

Manning---don't trust him after seeing his arm give out. Think he's hit the wall.
Romo
Flacco
Wilson
Eli
Rivers
Ryan

Middle of the pack

Tannehill
Newton
Alex
Kaepernick
Stafford
Palmer
Bridgewater

Below average

Carr
Dalton
Cutler
Foles
Bradford

Hootie 06-22-2015 03:32 PM

His playoff games aren't great? Just lol. He honestly might have already played more GREAT playoff games than Aaron Rodgers. It's close. I'd have to go back and look.

Eleazar 06-22-2015 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11561243)
Going into 2015..

Truly Great
Rodgers
Brady
Luck
Manning
Brees

Middle of the pack
Rapistberger
Rivers
Eli Manning
Matt Ryan
Stafford
Wilson
Alex Smith
Bridgewater
Romo
Newton

Trash heap
Tannehill
Kaepernick
Stafford
Palmer
Carr
Dalton
Cutler
Foles
Bradford

Amnorix 06-22-2015 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11561201)
Romo outplayed Aaron in the postseason and got unlucky. Aaron didn't play well against Seattle. He's great, but man, I can't put him that far ahead of Tom after what Tom did last postseason. Tom looks every bit as good as he ever did. He's lost NOTHING.


Deep ball touch is all Tom has lost, really. His accuracy is ridiculous, still.

He's also a completly insane workout warrior. As silly as it sounds, he could still be playing at an elite level a few years into his 40s. Likely? Maybe not, but possible? Yep.

Amnorix 06-22-2015 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11561206)
And Flacco is one of the best post season QBs in the league right now. Shouldn't that make him elite? Yes he had a bad year, but the other years have been above average to really good and his playoff performances are pretty excellent. Why isn't he called elite?


Maybe he's an elite playoff QB, but that doesn't make him an elite QB.

-King- 06-22-2015 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11561262)
His playoff games aren't great? Just lol. He honestly might have already played more GREAT playoff games than Aaron Rodgers. It's close. I'd have to go back and look.

Sure. :rolleyes:

That 206 yard 2 TD superbowl game was a thing to witness. They might turn that playoff run into a disney movie. 524 yards in 3 games? Just magic stuff here.

And this latest one. 724 yards 6 touchdown 5 Int run. Just breathtaking. Im sure they've already sent his jersey to Canton for it.

O.city 06-22-2015 03:38 PM

Romo is better than Brees at this point, IMO and I think Tannehill is better than most here apparently

-King- 06-22-2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 11561267)
Maybe he's an elite playoff QB, but that doesn't make him an elite QB.

And that's pretty much my point. I don't think he's elite either. But if you're going to say Wilson is elite, then there are a few others that you could make legitimate arguments for. It's not like Wilson is exactly lighting the world on fire in the playoffs. Or in the regular season for that matter. He's just been a very good steady quarterback.

Saul Good 06-22-2015 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11561224)
And when he does reach his prime, he probably will be elite. But as of right now, he's a a guy who floats around the top 5-12 range depending on the game

Yeah. Maybe he's only the 12th best QB in the game. Good call.

-King- 06-22-2015 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11561284)
Yeah. Maybe he's only the 12th best QB in the game. Good call.

When he has those games of sub 150 yards, he's not playing like a top 5 QB is he? That's what the word range means. Some games he can play like a top 5 QB. Then there are games where even 12 is being generous.

But yeah, 9/18 for 103 yards in a playoff game. Top 5 shit right there baby.

Saul Good 06-22-2015 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11561270)
Sure. :rolleyes:

That 206 yard 2 TD superbowl game was a thing to witness. They might turn that playoff run into a disney movie. 524 yards in 3 games? Just magic stuff here.

And this latest one. 724 yards 6 touchdown 5 Int run. Just breathtaking. Im sure they've already sent his jersey to Canton for it.

Never scored fewer than 23 points in a postseason game...

Saul Good 06-22-2015 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11561287)
When he has those games of sub 150 yards, he's not playing like a top 5 QB is he? That's what the word range means. Some games he can play like a top 5 QB. Then there are games where even 12 is being generous.

But yeah, 9/18 for 103 yards in a playoff game. Top 5 shit right there baby.

Then every QB in the game is in the 1-100 range.

O.city 06-22-2015 03:49 PM

Looking back at that GB game,

damn, didn't realize it, but Rogers and the Pack chocked that one away. Wilson was bad mostly, good late sure.

But the Packers absolutely did everything necessary to lose that game.

O.city 06-22-2015 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11561310)
Looking back at that GB game,

damn, didn't realize it, but Rogers and the Pack chocked that one away. Wilson was bad mostly, good late sure.

But the Packers absolutely did everything necessary to lose that game.

Crazy how much narratives can change on stuff like this too.


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