Ugly basketball but a win is a win. But hopefully we are just getting into shape for tougher conference games and the tournament.

Eh. I suppose. KU's better though. And from what I hear Jabari Parker is the second coming of Shabazz Muhommad. Completely overrated.

Where is that guy who likes Florida and claims to be a Chiefs fan? He told me the Heat were trying to trade Chamlers.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400278268

One thing you gotta like about Kansas over the past couple seasons is that they can win ugly games where they are just playing like absolute dogshit. It's almost like a lightbulb flashes off at the 2min mark left in the game and they think "oh shit" time to get our shit together and pull this win out of our asses.

I wouldn't doubt it....Chalmers is like the black sheep on that team LMAO

I wish Duke and Kansas would play non-con series.

I'd love to watch KU go into Cameron Indoor and wipe the floor w/ Duke.

They punked us last year. And I think it was even neutral court.

That's the game that TT had like 4,327,835,388,323 turnovers and it is my estimation, that's when he started to turn the corner to lead us to a national championship.

That was a close game until Duke nailed a ****ing three that led to KU fouling at the end...and even then it was only a 7pt game.

Kansas never plays well at the Maui invitational anyways....been forever since they won the damn thing and they play in it every other year it seems.

I just wanna see Duke play at the Phog, and I wanna see KU play at Cameron Indoor...because I can't remember the last time either had occurred.

How is KU better than Duke?


How is Shabazz "completely overrated"?


Do you even watch college basketball games outside of KU?

The only true road games Duke plays is in the ACC/Big 10 Challenge and I believe that's every other year. If they came out this way they would insist on playing in KC.

No, they won't even do that. They don't avoid Allen Fieldhouse because it's Allen Fieldhouse. They avoid it because they get no cut of the $$$ and the KC area is a black hole for their recruiting base, which is mostly Eastern seaboard.

Average KenPom position of programs over last decade:

KU: 6.1
Duke: 6.5

Wisconsin: 14.7
North Carolina: 15.2 (three #1 ratings over this time, but 2010 season where they missed the tournament and 2013 season holding them back from KU/Duke).
Louisville: 16.0
Pittsburgh: 18.4
Florida: 18.5
Kentucky: 18.7 (blame Gillespie, they're 6.7 in four years under Cal)
Michigan St.: 19.1
Syracuse: 21.5
Texas: 22.7
UConn: 23.9
Ohio St.: 25.4 (13.7 under Matta)

Gonzaga: 30.1
Georgetown: 33.1
Arizona: 34.9
West Virginia: 36.9
KSU: 41.5
UCLA: 44.3
Missouri: 48.6

Indiana: 71.2


I got bored this morning and added this up. It's obviously an inexact way to rate programs considering the changing in coaches over the last decade in many of them (and KenPom's system also seems to overrate Wisconsin consistently due to the way they play), but I think it is a pretty good measure of consistency. Only KU and Duke have been consistently elite over the last decade without any real significant down year. Everybody else is a step behind them.

They play next year in the Champion's Classic.

This is nice. Thanks for researching.

Excellent research. KU has always done phenomenally in KenPom. DOesn't surprise me that they and Duke are so far ahead of the pack. I would've figured Mich State and OSU woudl've been higher than they were in the raw data.

More traditionally, over last 10 years (including this year), KU has 283 wins and 54 losses, six S16s, four E8s, two FFs, 2 NC appearances, and 1 NC.

Over the same time, Duke has 278 wins and 58 losses, six S16s, two E8s, two FFs, 1 NC appearance, and 1 NC.

If there's a difference between these two programs, it's very slight and perhaps only a little bit in favor of KU. The only thing that's clear is that they are both in a league of their own in college basketball.

OSU is 13.7 in nine years under Thad Matta. The year before he got there they were terrible under Jim O'Brien (117) and that brought their average down significantly.

Call it luck, clutchness or Izzo coaching, but Michigan St. has a way of regularly outperforming what they do in the regular season in the NCAA tournament.

One more thing is that if you just averaged the schools that Calipari coached over the last 10 years (Memphis and Kentucky), the rating would be 12.1, firmly in third place over that time.

Which made the fact that they got every call in the game even more ridiculous.

I know....I'd just like for them to play at eachothers arenas

KU has managed to get Kentucky, Arizona, Michigan, Ohio State, UCLA, Michigan St., Villanova, Georgia Tech, Tennessee... Basically a lot of good programs into Allen over the last 10 years or so.

Duke and UNC would be nice but yes, those are difficult to schedule.

That's why Wicked's comment about KU being clearly better, was so odd to me. I wondered what he was reading or watching that would lead him to that conclusion.


Remember too that 10 years is a bit arbitrary. Duke was vastly superior the 5 years prior. So going back the last 15 years, it's not even a question. And if we do that, we pull in more UNC success, and more UK success at the end of Pitino/beginning of Tubby. Also, Florida and Mich State also have cases to make as equals.

The last 10 years are not arbitrary, they make up the Bill Self era at KU. We've been the best college basketball program over that time.

Bill Self is the epitome of consistency.

Bingo. Wouldn't make much sense to compare KU vs. Duke before Self got here.

Haven't we won 100 of our last 101 games at AFH? That's nasty.

Hey asshole.

You going to make it next Saturday?!

Michigan goes down at Ohio State. I can't wait until March.

That win at OSU looks a whole lot better now.

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Very likely.

****ing love Bill Self. We are so ****ing lucky that Roy wanted to get out of Lawrence and go back to Norf Cackalacky.

We are also lucky that Mizzou hired Quinn Snyder instead of him. :-P

<3

This time you better finish the beer I buy you.

n00b.

The story I've heard told is that Mizzou had a deal that was all but done, but wouldn't agree to let him out of his contract if Kansas ever came calling, which is what he was supposedly waiting for.

So it's not like we didn't try, but Quinn Snyder as the backup plan? :facepalm:

Well, I'll be buying YOU beer. I was honestly worried about the weather on the way back to KC and didn't want to be too impaired. Don't think I didn't appreciate the gesture, ass munch.

Okay, okay.

I will get you a Smirnoff instead.

So, you and Plow can be incahoots.

OK. I prefer the blackberry lemonade flavor.

You will drink what I buy you, bitch.

LMAO

I'm worried about tomorrow.

Except . . . Scott Drew.

Buy him a case of O'Doul's in case he has to leave early.

LMAO

I am too. If we don't come out with same intensity and energy that we did before the long time off we're gonna drop one. Hopefully Coach was on their asses.

Excellent.

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Yeah, that one move set MU bball back God knows how many years.

Now we are talking. It's going to be PARTY central on Saturday!!!

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

BIG MONDAY BITCHES!

One of my favorite things about conference season (besides all the winning) is the 2-games-in-3-days scheduling. Just like the tournament.

We really need to start KU game threads individually. I'll do it.

It's a helluva lot better than this one game a week for the past month. :(

I was wondering what Self was so pissed about after half time against Texas Tech. I saw on TV that he was going off on the officials. This appears to be the answer.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2013/j...ens_basketball

KU up to #4.


<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="4">AP Top 25</td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td>RK</td><td>TEAM</td><td align="center">RECORD</td><td align="center">PTS</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-97"><td>1</td><td>Louisville (36) </td><td align="center">15-1</td><td align="center">1,591</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-84"><td>2</td><td>Indiana (13) </td><td align="center">15-1</td><td align="center">1,527</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-150"><td>3</td><td>Duke (14) </td><td align="center">15-1</td><td align="center">1,501</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-2305"><td>4</td><td>Kansas (1) </td><td align="center">14-1</td><td align="center">1,416</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-130"><td>5</td><td>Michigan (1) </td><td align="center">16-1</td><td align="center">1,415</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-183"><td>6</td><td>Syracuse</td><td align="center">16-1</td><td align="center">1,284</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-12"><td>7</td><td>Arizona</td><td align="center">15-1</td><td align="center">1,205</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-2250"><td>8</td><td>Gonzaga</td><td align="center">16-1</td><td align="center">1,141</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-135"><td>9</td><td>Minnesota</td><td align="center">15-2</td><td align="center">1,041</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-57"><td>10</td><td>Florida</td><td align="center">12-2</td><td align="center">1,019</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-194"><td>11</td><td>Ohio State</td><td align="center">13-3</td><td align="center">939</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-156"><td>12</td><td>Creighton</td><td align="center">16-1</td><td align="center">896</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-2086"><td>13</td><td>Butler</td><td align="center">14-2</td><td align="center">855</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-152"><td>14</td><td>North Carolina State</td><td align="center">14-2</td><td align="center">836</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-21"><td>15</td><td>San Diego State</td><td align="center">14-2</td><td align="center">704</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-2306"><td>16</td><td>Kansas State</td><td align="center">13-2</td><td align="center">670</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-142"><td>17</td><td>Missouri</td><td align="center">12-3</td><td align="center">598</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-127"><td>18</td><td>Michigan State</td><td align="center">14-3</td><td align="center">426</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-167"><td>19</td><td>New Mexico</td><td align="center">15-2</td><td align="center">368</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-87"><td>20</td><td>Notre Dame</td><td align="center">14-2</td><td align="center">295</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-2483"><td>21</td><td>Oregon</td><td align="center">14-2</td><td align="center">238</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-2670"><td>22</td><td>Virginia Commonwealth</td><td align="center">14-3</td><td align="center">212</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-356"><td>23</td><td>Illinois</td><td align="center">14-4</td><td align="center">199</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-26"><td>24</td><td>UCLA</td><td align="center">14-3</td><td align="center">185</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-269"><td>25</td><td>Marquette</td><td align="center">12-3</td><td align="center">177</td></tr></tbody></table>

• Others receiving votes: Cincinnati 121, Connecticut 70, Georgetown 56, Ole Miss 55, UNLV 26, Wisconsin 25, Boise State 9, Miami (FL) 9, Wichita State 6, Temple 5, Pittsburgh 2, Baylor 1, Utah State 1, Wyoming 1

• Dropped from rankings: Georgetown 19, Cincinnati 21, Wichita State 23, UNLV 24

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="4">USA Today Coaches Poll</td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td>RK</td><td>TEAM</td><td align="center">RECORD</td><td align="center">PTS</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-97"><td>1</td><td>Louisville (18) </td><td align="center">15-1</td><td align="center">753</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-84"><td>2</td><td>Indiana (6) </td><td align="center">15-1</td><td align="center">718</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-150"><td>3</td><td>Duke (7) </td><td align="center">15-1</td><td align="center">707</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-2305"><td>4</td><td>Kansas</td><td align="center">14-1</td><td align="center">680</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-130"><td>5</td><td>Michigan</td><td align="center">16-1</td><td align="center">678</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-183"><td>6</td><td>Syracuse</td><td align="center">16-1</td><td align="center">619</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-12"><td>7</td><td>Arizona</td><td align="center">15-1</td><td align="center">574</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-2250"><td>8</td><td>Gonzaga</td><td align="center">16-1</td><td align="center">552</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-57"><td>9</td><td>Florida</td><td align="center">12-2</td><td align="center">526</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-156"><td>10</td><td>Creighton</td><td align="center">16-1</td><td align="center">489</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-194"><td>11</td><td>Ohio State</td><td align="center">13-3</td><td align="center">436</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-135"><td>12</td><td>Minnesota</td><td align="center">15-2</td><td align="center">433</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-2086"><td>13</td><td>Butler</td><td align="center">14-2</td><td align="center">370</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-21"><td>14</td><td>San Diego State</td><td align="center">14-2</td><td align="center">366</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-152"><td>15</td><td>North Carolina State</td><td align="center">14-2</td><td align="center">321</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-142"><td>16</td><td>Missouri</td><td align="center">12-3</td><td align="center">298</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-127"><td>17</td><td>Michigan State</td><td align="center">14-3</td><td align="center">286</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-2306"><td>18</td><td>Kansas State</td><td align="center">13-2</td><td align="center">243</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-2670"><td>19</td><td>Virginia Commonwealth</td><td align="center">14-3</td><td align="center">178</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-87"><td>20</td><td>Notre Dame</td><td align="center">14-2</td><td align="center">155</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-167"><td>21</td><td>New Mexico</td><td align="center">15-2</td><td align="center">147</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-356"><td>22</td><td>Illinois</td><td align="center">14-4</td><td align="center">125</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-2439"><td>23</td><td>UNLV</td><td align="center">14-3</td><td align="center">109</td></tr><tr class="evenrow team-41-2132"><td>24</td><td>Cincinnati</td><td align="center">14-3</td><td align="center">80</td></tr><tr class="oddrow team-41-26"><td>25</td><td>UCLA</td><td align="center">14-3</td><td align="center">38</td></tr></tbody></table>

• Others receiving votes: Oregon 37, Georgetown 32, Marquette 23, Wisconsin 23, Wichita State 19, Ole Miss 14, Wyoming 13, Connecticut 10, Miami (FL) 8, Oklahoma State 8, Boise State 2, Bucknell 2, Utah State 2, Iowa State 1

• Dropped from rankings: Georgetown 22, Wyoming 25

KansasSports ‏@KansasSports

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Are there any other Kansas fans like me who find conference play boring? I mean, KU wins all the time. I root for them obviously but it just isn't that satisfying going into every season knowing you'll win. The 1980s were great because there were good teams to compete with KU, and road games? Tough! Danny Manning never won in 4 trips to Ames (and Larry Brown went 0-5). Nowadays it's hard to spot many matchups where KU would be the underdog.


Think I read somewhere that KU has been an underdog something like 40 times in the last 15 years. That's just about 3 times per season. Since they play 35 games it would appear that KU is favored in over 90% of their games. Seems like the only interesting part about KU basketball any more, is the NCAA Tourney.

I love watching every game they played. I wish they played 30 more than they do.

You really didn't enjoy the Texas Tech game. Right?

Pretty much. I've wanted us to switch conferences for a longggg time. We haven't ever had a true rival really because we're so good. The KU/Mizzou "rivarly" (it's not a rivalry, but for the sake of this discussion we'll call it that loosely) is cute and all but nothing to be taken seriously by KU fans; some do but yeah, it's odd. I find it hard to hate a school you own. MU fans, yes, they loved it because they wanted to beat the best and if they won that was pretty much the best thing to happen to them all year in either sport because they don't compete for championships period.

I wanted us to move to the ACC along with UK. The blue bloods all together battling it out. Legends vs. legends. In a perfect world that'd happen. Not the case though obviously.

I love watching every game no matter what, but it'd make it a whole heck of a lot more interesting during conference time that's for sure.

Indiana goes down at home to Wisconsin. I can't wait until March, it's gonna be another crazy one.

FYP.

Ole Miss pulled at KU tonight as well. Much like BMac's three at the buzzer against ISU to go to OT and then roll... Ole Miss did the same against Vandy. Hit a three at the buzzer and then cruise to a 10 point win in OT.

We just need to load up with marquee games in the non-con. Our home schedule this year with CU and Temple was just dreadful. It's hard to get top-10 programs to come to Lawrence even when we do a home & home. I know Zenger thought we had Indiana committed to come in this year but they ended up not agreeing to it. Hopefully this changes and we get big games again.


I doubt Ohio State is up for more beatings. :)

LOL and now Wisconsin is in first place in the Big 10. Overrated much?

It's kinda funny reading Ole MIss & KU in the same sentence.

Hey!!!

The Big 10 was like the best conference preseason!

Indiana losing at home to Wisconsin is just a true testament to how deep the B10 is.





















LMAO LMAO LMAO

Winning regularly doesn't bore me. I follow literally no other teams that do, so I enjoy every conference season. For me, that's also the sign of real consistently/success of a program, not a team's record in a significant crapshoot like the NCAA tournament. It's also very interesting following the developmental curve of Self teams throughout a season. Watching them slowly reach their true potential by February/March is what college basketball is all about for KU fans.

I also should say that the B12 is generally one of the strongest conferences in college basketball (if not the strongest) and it routinely provides plenty of great conference matchups every year for KU. In recent history, Texas (with Durant), Missouri (the fantastic 2011-2012 team), Oklahoma (with Griffin), KSU (with Pullen/Clemente), and even Baylor have provided elite challenges and were real NC contenders. The fact that KU ended up beating those teams says more about how good Self's program is than any weakness in the conference.

Obviously this year is a down year for the B12 and there is no foreseeable threat to KU, but I doubt the conference will remain this weak for long.

Not sure Wisconsin is that shitty...they did just get the most impressive win of the entire college basketball season (surpassing KU's win at Ohio State). Although I think they definitely played above their heads today, that win could carry them into yet another NCAA tournament appearance.

Bo Ryan teams are boring and shitty. I can't remember the last Badger who could legitimately create his own shot. Jordan Taylor was close until he struggled HARD last year.

Boring, yes. Shitty, no. There's a reason they've made the tournament 11 consecutive times under him (and 14 times consecutively in total for the school, ranking only behind KU, Duke, and MSU).

Not really. The Big 10 is an unbelievable bball conference this year. Wisconsin would finish 2nd in the Big 12. Indiana is still very good. They may lose 8 games this yr and still be a great team.

I don't know about "unbelievable," but they're solidly better than the Big 12.

Like he said its unbelievable.

Meh. They're the best conference, but it's hardly "unbelievable."

This year isn't one of the most exciting seasons for KU thus far because like someone said the conference is down. Especially now that MU left and are still pretty good and we dont' get that great two games (at least). I still watch every game and such but the tournament seems the only time this year it will be truely exciting.

I've already admitted in the other college hoops thread that the B10 is the best conference in the country.

But, losing to a SHITTY Wisconsin team at home is a really bad loss.

I enjoyed the second half.

This isn't a testament to how good the BIG10 and Wisconsin is...

It shows how shitty the BIG12 is this year.

Yup. Kenpom's ratings for the Big Ten this year have them solidly in first, but their score this year is worse than 2009, when they were 5th on his ratings. Their score for this year would be good enough for 3rd to 6th in most other years.

I enjoy conference. Although this year may not be as competitive. Remember, last season KU had to beat MU at Allen Fieldhouse in order to secure the conference title. And KSU has beaten KU twice at Manhattan in the past 5 seasons. That ISU game the other night was a nail biter. If you find it boring, I suggest you go find another team/sport to watch.

I don't agree with this. "Great" teams don't lose 8 games.