But I haven't had it with you!

I love both guys and would be really excited about both.

I think the primary thing that makes you a destination job is being consistently excellent as a program.

it's much more of a destination now, and I think that's due more to success than anything else.

Give Missouri 3-4 years of great success under Herman (who, by the way, would inherit a lot of talent at Mizzou), and it's going to be more of a destination then than it is now. And Odom is going to be a few years into his coaching career, likely at Memphis, and will have proven a little more/still be out there.

As I said on PM, if Rhoades hires Odom instead of Herman, that says an awful lot about Odom considering Rhoades' recent history at Houston (promoting a good assistant to replace a successful outgoing coach, having that guy fail to meet expectations, replacing him).

Odom is going to be a head coach somewhere next year. He'll be a prime candidate at Memphis if nothing else.

I always figured Odom was hired as the predecessor to pinkie anyway. Seems like an easy fit and high upside one.

I suspect being in the SEC would change things a bit, I just worry that if you get a guy and after 5 years he goes on to a bigger school, it sorta 'codifies' the pecking order a little, you know?

Perception is reality in college sports and even if you get some success with Herman, if he leaves, that's a loud signal to the rest of the NCAA that Mizzou is still something of a little brother program. It wouldn't take much to get stigmatized a bit there.

Then again, that's an attitude that would've had me hiring Kim Anderson over Bob Self back when we made the Snyder hire. The thought process that went into that hire was just spot on; that's what makes its failure so disappointing. It's like the Chiefs with Blackledge - a bad move based on a good thought process led to the thought process being abandoned (rather than it just being chalked up as bad luck or bad execution of a good plan).

Like I said - I'd like both of those hires because as you noted, they'd almost certainly have been made for the right reasons.

I'm not worried about Missouri football. This is a school that's committed to sustained success and I think GP will keep his fingerprints on the program for the foreseeable future. Despite the chaos of the 2015 season, I think things can go very well if we just do this right.

I'd be happy with Fuente or Herman.

Agreed.

And with a little shakeup and keeping the core group of players around, Mizzou is positioned to make a nice run in 2016 and 2017.

I think Odom would have to hire a new OC who brings some new thought and explosiveness to the offense (He and Henson have been rivals, though I'm starting to hear some people talk about them being really close friends - that's a new one) to make that happen, but it's possible.

Sell me on Fuente.

I'm not sure I dislike him, but I still think he's a bit green for my tastes and the AAC is a staggeringly awful conference. It's a re-badged conference USA. I guess that doesn't do much to separate him from Herman and Houston, but Herman's success as an OC came in the Big 10 whereas TCU was still in the Mountain West when Fuente was in charge.

I'm open to conversation on him. I'm guessing the fact that he has HC experience elevates him over Odom for you?

What is the fascination with Herman, by the way?

For me its his energy, his recruiting ties, his pedigree and familiarity with Rhoades.

Fuente built the Memphis football from nothing. He is coaching his own players & winning at a program he built from the ground up. Odom was there along for the ride & was a key contributor but Fuente was the master of the ship.

He is an offensive genius. He is still an unproven commodity but his background is top notch.

1) Pedigree. He's an innovative and highly successful offensive mind who was hand-picked by the best offensive mind of the past decade (Urban Meyer) to run his offense. He has succeeded in several environments.

2) Upside. In addition to his strong offensive profile, Herman also has been a top-notch recruiter at multiple stops. His first class at Houston is impressive. He's young and hungry, and has learned from some of the best.

AJ Ofodile on the coaching hire:

I think it gets overlooked that Herman inherited a UH team that was 8-5 a year ago with all the pieces already in place.

Fuente/Odom inherited a Memphis team that was one of the worst in the country. It was a total reclamation project and what they did to find players and restock that roster was pretty amazing. I met Herman during the recruiting process and he was an energetic likeable guy and Urban Meyer is probably the best at recruiting strategy so that experience had to be invaluable for him. Similarly Barry's experience in raising the Memphis program from the dead also can't be discounted.

When you're talking about proven commodities I don't know that Herman really qualifies as that yet until he has roster filled with his own recruits. It's also worth noting that Memphis' QB could be the top pick in the draft this spring so their results could be a little over inflated right now too.

All 3 guys are big time up and comers, you can't really call any of them proven yet, as there are circumstances that has the jury still out on all 3. That having been said, Barry will be a head coach somewhere in the future. No reasonable person should bet against him being extremely successful where ever that is. To me he would be the common sense hire for Mizzou. He is tremendously respected in Missouri, Oklahoma, East Texas, Atlanta and Memphis. When you look closely at his track record as a recruiter it shows how much credibility he has already established in those areas. He has a ton of respect in the coaching community which means he has the ability to identify and attract high level assistants when positions need to be filled. He's a smart guy and would make the right moves to situate the program favorably going forward.

Yes they paid a good share to Pinkel, but Pinkel was a certain proven commodity here and earned his keep.

Paying an unknown more than what Pinkel makes, which is what it might take to get someone like Herman, is something I'm not sure about.

So...what if Right is available?

Pinkel makes $4 million a year. I can't imagine any of the top candidates get more than that.

Herman currently makes $1.35 million/year. Even doubling that would still leave Mizzou at about 65 percent of Pinkel's salary.

Fuente makes $1.4 million. Doubling that would put him around 70 percent of Pinkel's current salary.

Even pushing into the $3 million range for those guys is still not outpaying Pinkel. And if South Carolina decides it wants to pay $5 million a year for Tom Herman or Justin Fuente, my interest dissipates. Too much cash for the risk.

No thanks.

I'm not a fan of hiring retreads who couldn't be successful at blue blood programs. Shades of Charlie Weis.

If you can't win at an elite level at Georgia (or Notre Dame, or Texas), why the hell would anyone think you could win at Mizzou?

Not surprising but..

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They might be too much cash. Just depends who all goes in for their services.

Not the biggest fan of Richt, but he would be an okay Plan B.

Oh, I think Barry Odom is Plan B (and maybe plan 1B, actually). Not sure there is much separation between he, Fuente and Herman for Mack Rhoades.

Honestly, of all the names mentioned, Richt is the only one I would dislike. Re-tread who wasn't successful at the level to which Mizzou hopes to climb, at a program with more advantages? Blecccch.

I'd be shocked to see any team exceeding a $3 million AAV for either of those guys, and, like I said, if the bidding gets crazy, I'm fine with moving on to the next guy. Some schools can absorb the risk of paying Tom Herman $28 million over 7 years and having it not work. Mizzou isn't one of them (And honestly, neither is South Carolina).

I say offer Bill Belichick an offer he can't refuse.

Speak for your damn self. :)

I'm not certain if Odom is prepared enough to cut his teeth as a coach in the SEC.

Richt can recruit well and put in a solid SEC plan. If he wants to bring Brian Schottenheimer with him than well **** no.

MU needs to make a progressive hire.

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What does everyone think about Matt Rhule?

The more I read the more intrigued I get...I like him if we miss out on Herman/Fuente.

Another guy I've been tossing around in my head is Rich Rodriguez...don't know if he'd leave Arizona but I've always been curious to see how he'd do in the SEC.

He will for the right price. Would pass.

I think the post game demonstration was outstanding and speaks well of the family-like relationship Pinkel develops with his team, but that alone doesn't justify Pinkel's decision. His action was instrumental in causing significant damage to the university beyond football. I'm sure he didn't intend to have that effect, but he did. I wish him the best in retirement though and he deserves a statue for what he did for Mizzou over the course of his career.

In fact, the statue should be him standing in the middle of a circle of his players whooping it up like he did that night.

Ok...explain this to me.

Dumbass on KTGR(Columbia sports station) was claiming that Mizzou would make a better bowl at 5-7 compared to 6-6 due to SEC tie-in's & that due to high graduation rates they'd get picked for a decent bowl. At 6-6 it would probably be the Independence Bowl but could be better at 5-7.

Is that possible?

I don't think anyone gives a **** about any of what you're wrapped up about, 365 days from now.

You're severely reaching.

Can you even go to a bowl at 5-7?

Thanks for your input. I'll mark you down as opposed to the whoop it up statue.

I don't think you can...but if you win 5 games in Lawrence they will throw you a parade!

If there are not enough .500 or better teams to fill bowl slots, they can fill them with 5-7 teams. They award it based upon grad rates, I believe.

Okay. Neat.

Forgot about that rule...but that does not happen too often does it?

No, but it is expected to happen this year.

TIL

This was a quality post and said what I was feeling better than I could have. He totally took the easy way out instead of what he always preaches - doing what's right for "his kids." If these kids learned anything about this it's that it's OK to strike over accusations that aren't true, aren't vetted, and/or are part of a changing landscape.

He might have served his kids better by sitting them down, telling them that not playing is a decision they alone would need to make, but what they're "not playing" about is goofy:

* A poopsika that nobody knows who put there, and that in this day-and-age, it might have been put there by the CS1950 kids to incite a reaction (that they're now part of). Then he might want to tell them the Tawana Brawley story. That's what a good parent would do.

* The evil red truck. Again, nobody knows who it is, so explain to them that there are measures to be taken to better-protect themselves, perhaps get pictures for the police, but with what they have to go on there's little they can expect from the university's leadership in an ACLU America. That's what a good parent would do.

* GAs losing their healthcare coverage in its previous form. Just show them a picture of Obama, then explain to them that college is a 4-year deal, maybe 5. Explain that after their undergrad work is done, if certain things are a priority (healthcare), well hanging around a college campus grading papers for a professor, teaching a class, or three, and "getting even smarter" might not be the best choice (based on those previously established priorities). Then, explain to them (again) that those career students actually DO still have coverage, and if anybody is to blame for the change it's Obama, and it's NOT the school's leadership. That's what a good parent would do.

* Systemic racism. Show them the make-up of the very team their on, and then the basketball team, then the make-up of the student leadership, and the make-up of the staff, then the national averages in terms demographics (after explaining what the big word means), graduation rates and then tell them their (CS1950's) arguments are bunk based on all that evidence. And if they still resist, hit them with the numbers of kids getting merit-based financial aid vs. supposed needs-based financial aid. Then tell them to chew on that before they decide to throw-away their careers.

But I agree, he sure did have his player's backs for a short-term feel-good story to be aired while he's walking away (just one week later).

Many people would say it was short-sighted, and self-serving... I certainly think it's exactly that.

Yeah, that's exactly what Gary just taught "his kids", don't look into things, just live in the moment and follow idiots like CS1950 like a lemming...

Great parenting right there...

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Sounds like Houston is getting nervous now that Mack Rhoades has a football coach to hire . . . . .

Bob Dole would drive the hour to watch the Independence Bowl if MIZZOU was playing.

Petro is really bringing me down in this coaching search.

Willie Fritz?

In case you didn't realize, he has cancer. Guess what? I don't think he gives two shits or a ****. He will support his players, although he may not agree with them. That's what good parents do.

Now shut up about this shit and take it to DC.

There is no ****ing hidden agenda or a secret message or some dumb shit leason that you and pat think there is. Any coach will support his players and that's all there is to it. This is the easiest concept in the world and you ****s miss it over and over.

Petro has no idea what he's talking about.

Missouri is likely going to hire one of Tom Herman, Justin Fuente or Barry Odom. Matt Campbell might also be involved. The Rhule guy at Temple is also a possibility.

Mack Rhoades has known for almost a month he needs to hire a coach. If he isn't already down to his short list of 3-4 coaches, I'd be shocked.

But I haven't seen ANYONE mention Fritz. No clue where he's getting that, other than making things up, but it isn't happening.

Matt Campbell is an interesting guy...could we hit lightning in a bottle twice?

I know he's seen as a big time up and comer in the CFB circles...

Campbell is interesting. Good record, and he played at Mount Union, so he knows how to do things the right way...

That's obvious....

Yeah, we see THOSE parents all too frequently claiming "not my kid, he's an angel..."

In the end, I'm not sure DBJ would agree...

Oh, hey "Bryan" - eat a bag of dicks!

May I get the present exchange rate for shits and ****s?

I mean, I guess we're still multiplying by zero if Gary gives zero of both things but for future reference, I might give something like one shit and at least a half a **** as to who we hire.

Would that be the rough equivalent of like, three dollars (or approximately eleventy billion pesos)?

I hate that fat POS, he brings nothing but bad news.

A shit equals a pesos and a **** is a euro. Convert from there

I'd like to see Fritz get a shot at a larger job...just not at Mizzou. The school can't have former Central Missouri head coaches at BOTH major sports.

I can always count on you. You're a reliable moron.

He thinks they'll go cheap like they did with Kim Anderson.

Your posting history is filled with moronic shit. You can go now, unless you'd like to discuss actual football.

I'm sure there is something involving brown people that you can be outraged by elsewhere.

He's a moron. They absolutely will not go cheap here. This is, however, another example of the ridiculous decision to hire Kim Anderson having negative consequences.

Different AD, and different leadership in place here. The old white guy contingent also doesn't have a former player/assistant of a former coaching great that it feels has been shit upon and deserves a shot "this time" to force on anyone. Wolfe and Loftin were both instrumental in guiding Alden to Anderson. Neither is a factor now.

And hiring Barry Odom from within would not be an example of going cheap.

Football is too much of a cash cow and too much of Mack Rhoades' list of goals is built on things that are untenable if football is not producing.

Really? Didn't trust Alden? Or just pandering to the blue hairs?

Both, from what I'm told.

Alden was given rein to go after his top candidate (Marshall). But was told if that didn't work, he was hiring Kim Anderson.

"Hey bro, if you don't land Kate Upton, you're going home with Kathy Bates. "

So what you are saying is if the coaching hire works out and the football Tigers are successful, we can thank Payton Head and Jonathan Butler?:D

It's a silver lining.

I think USCw goes after Herman. I think Odom is the best bet, personally, he would be my choice.

You mean USCe?

I think the Trojans will set their sites higher and likely pull a more proven coach.

Chip Kelly to USC makes a lot of sense.

I wouldn't be upset if it's Odom, but I do think Herman is just as big a star and a little more proven than Odom.

No, I think Cali USC goes after Herman, or atleast they should.

I don't think chip is leaving Philly, too much power there.

For me, Herman just hasn't done alot with his own guys at Houston, that gives me pause. Plus with Odom, I don't think you lose any recruits and he's well established.

So USCw will try and make a big splash hire to recreate the Carroll days, but it won't work and they should go after herman.

That's an interesting thought. I just don't see the fit, because Herman's connections are all midwest/Texas/Southeast, so that might be a real stretch for him (Kind of like Kiffin at Tennessee).

Herman is winning at Houston - and just beat the best team on his schedule, a legit top 10-type team - with a converted WR at QB. Yeah, not all his players, but he also has taken them to heights the previous coach wasn't coming close to touching.

He also has a great recruiting class lined up to HOUSTON, that includes a DT who is a top 10 national recruit on every service (except Rivals, where the UT site's influence is almost certainly dampening his ranking).

Whenever you're hiring a coach, especially for football, I think concerning yourself with one recruiting class is a dangerous trap to fall into. Especially when it's a class that doesn't have a program-changing player in it. The long-term health of the program will be more impacted by making the BEST hire rather than doing the best you can with one (small) recruiting class.

This is the perfect year to absorb a little hit to a class, IMO ... as they have taken very big ones the past two seasons, and this class was going to be small, anyway.

Plus, with the amount of young talent Mizzou has returning and Herman's proven ability to inject major life into an offense/shepherd a QB, I'd be very excited to see what he can do starting next season and especially in 2017.

I'd get behind Odom and be excited about him. I trust Mack Rhoades with this hire (even going back to his days at Akron, he has a strong track record for hiring EXCELLENT coaches). If he chooses him over Herman, I wont' complain a bit.

I can't lie, I'd be underwhelmed with Odom...to me just comes off as one of those guys meant to be a coordinator, like Christensen.

Jeremy Crabtree is a big-time Herman fan per Petro's show. He also think Mizzou is a 4/5 on the job scale below the big boys but better than most.

Am I the only one that sees some parallels between Herman and Malzhan? Both offensive minded coaches, experienced a lot of success as OC a every stop, including P5. Get first HC gig, then scooped up by a P5 after 1 good season.

Make of it what you will but it sounds similar to me
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Unless we can promise a good up and coming coach the lady in GloryDayz avatar I have a bad feeling we're getting stuck with a Turner Gill. :(

Confirmed Beckner with torn acl mcl, meniscus damage and bone bruise.

Well ****. He'll probably be out most of the year next year too then, right?

Mu doc said he should be back by game 1 next year

Well that's good, especially if Brantley can't return.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colle...8b4134ebf.html


COLUMBIA, Mo. • Missouri defensive tackle Terry Beckner Jr.' season is over. The freshman sensation from East St. Louis tore the ACL and MCL in his right knee on MU's first defensive play against Brigham Young last Saturday, Mizzou announced Friday.
Beckner Jr. also suffered some meniscus damage and a bone bruise. He'll undergo surgery in two to three weeks. Team trainer Rex Sharp believes he'll be fully recovered in time for the start of 2016 preseason camp next August.
Beckner was having an outstanding freshman season with 27 tackles, eight tackles for loss and three sacks. He ranked third on the team in tackles for loss and sacks. ProFootballFocus.com's analytics had rated Beckner the nation's top freshman defensive tackle and No. 3 freshman at any position.
Missouri (5-5, 1-5) has two regular-season games left starting with Saturday's visit from Tennessee (6-4, 3-3). Kickoff is set for 6:15 p.m. on ESPN2.

Guess I should have went to the game.

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His players showed up, so there's that.

Perhaps the CS1950 kids we standing in front of more cars.

Sad to see it end this way.

That's pathetic. It's cold in CoMo, and yes, break is next week, but it's not raining or snowing.

The rather-not-full stadium is stunning! WOW! I knew many adults weren't too happy with how everything went down, but WOW!