Is it b/c they were picking last for a couple of seasons? Or, has this been going on for awhile? Seems like they were in decent shape to be good for a while - Took them soooo long to get to the top, and now they're not even competitive. That's what SUCKS.

Having some holes is fine, not finding a worthwhile draft pick starting in the Christian Colon year is really unacceptable.

We're really talking about 7 years of not finding a good major league player in the draft when some of those picks were top 10, this narrative they are spinning of trading their prospects...those guys never amounted to much by the way except Manea I guess. Or the narrative of "we drafted lower so this is what happens" actually no, no it's not. The Yankees rebuilt their farm system without ever picking top 10.

This is why I will take everything Moore does in the draft with a grain of salt, he hasn't found shit in 7 years nor have they really ever been able to develop pitchers. This team had something like 10 arms that were well thought of at 1 time and none of them developed into anything.

They had 2 years of picking late...explain the other 5 years.

Orioles are starting to piss me off.

Everyone here wanted to tear up his deal and extend him. Hoodie (remember that reerun?) was the loudest and was tossing out huge numbers like it was a monopoly game.


Well? We don't run a small market like a charity. Gotta be more ruthless. We overspent being too nice to "our guys"

Totally agree.

Call it the Kobe-effect.

Patriots, while not the same small-market analogy, are extremely smart in this area.

It's a business - pure and simple.

This is not the NBA or NFL where one player can affect the team's success so greatly. Being ruthless works great when you have an all time talent at your most important positions.

They had to give Perez a pay raise. Dude had a 5 year, $7 million contract and had just won World Series MVP. Other players around the league will notice things like that. Plus I think Dayton has tried to fight the idea that this organization is cheap every step of the way. Of course now we've spent probably 400-450 million in salary the last 3 years and have nothing to show for it.

2019 Baseball America Mock Draft

2019 MLB Mock Draft V 0.1:
Bobby Witt Jr. Projected First Overall

By Carlos Collazo

The 2018 draft saw five college players selected with the first five picks, but a year from now there could easily be an up the middle prep player gone within the first five picks, like most draft classes this decade.

We’re still digesting the 2018 class, so it’s much too early to project the 2019 group—but here at Baseball America we love looking ahead. At this point in time, the top of next year’s class looks to be much heavier on position players at both the high school and college levels.

The favorite to go No. 1, at least here in Durham, N.C., is Heritage High (Colleyville, Texas) shortstop Bobby Witt Jr., who is committed to Oklahoma. Witt will draw comparisons to Southern California shortstop Brice Turang—simply for the fact that they are/were seen as top-of-the-class prospects early in the draft cycle—but they are very different players.

Where Turang is a polished, lefthanded hitting shortstop with a slight frame but one of the best pure hit tools in the 2018 class, Witt is a righthanded hitting shortstop who grades out with better tools across the board outside of pure hitting ability. He’s an elite runner who posts 80-grade home-to-first times, projects to have plus raw power, has plus arm strength and all of the glove skill needed to stick at shortstop at the next level. How much he hits over the course of the summer and spring will determine how high he goes, but he’s tooled up at a premium defensive position.






Bobby Witt Jr., SS, Heritage HS, Colleyville, Texas.

Witt’s father of the same name was a righthanded pitcher in the majors for 16 years, so he’s grown up around the game which gives him another edge—as if his physical tools weren’t enough of a head start.

Adley Rutschman, C, Oregon State

Rutschman came to Oregon State as a kicker/catcher and played both sports as freshman, specializing in kickoffs on the gridiron and standing out for his defense on the diamond. He gave up football this year, however, and broke out at the plate to earn All-American honors. Listed at 6-foot-2, 216 pounds, Rutschman is a big, physical, switch-hitting catcher who provides plus defense and arm strength, an enticing package.

Hunter Barco, LHP, The Bolles School, Jacksonville

Prep lefties are always a coveted demographic and Barco could be an elite talent out of The Bolles School—the same school of Hall of Famer Chipper Jones. The Virginia commit was one of the most impressive pitchers at the World Wood Bat Association World Championship last fall in Jupiter as an underclassman. He has a fastball in the low 90s, a sharp, late-breaking slider with bite and feel for a low 80s split-changeup as well.

Shea Langeliers, C, Baylor

Langeliers in 2017 was a first-team Freshman All-American and followed that up with a strong summer in the Cape Cod League, where he stood out as the best catcher despite his youth. The righthanded hitter has above-average power and arm strength and has improved behind the plate in the last year.

Braden Shewmake, SS, Texas A&M

Shewmake has been one of Texas A&M’s top hitters the last two years and will this summer play for USA Baseball’s Collegiate National Team for the second year in a row. Listed at 6-foot-4, 190 pounds, Shewmake is long and lean and has above-average hittability. He’s still a work in progress at shortstop, but his hit tool, above-average speed and ability to play in the infield will make him highly sought after.


Riley Greene, OF, Hagerty HS, Oviedo, Fla.

An all-around outfielder committed to Florida, Greene has a smooth swing from the left side with hittability and power. He’s a plus runner in the outfield and can easily handle covering ground in center field.

Josh Jung, 3B, Texas Tech

Jung immediately stepped into Texas Tech’s lineup as a freshman and has done nothing but hit for the last two years. Listed at 6-foot-2, 215 pounds, the righthanded hitter provides an impressive all-around skill set with the ability to hit for both average and power while also providing solid defense at the hot corner.

Rece Hinds, 3B, Niceville (Fla.) HS.

Hinds will join Witt as a two-time member of the Under Armour All-America Game later this summer. He possesses some of the most raw power of any prep player in the 2019 class and also has easy plus arm strength that will fit nicely at the hot corner. Hinds is committed to Louisiana State.

C.J. Abrams, SS, Blessed Trinity HS, Roswell, Ga.

A twitchy, lefthanded hitting shortstop, Abrams follows up a strong 2018 Georgia class as the top prospect in the state. He’s got a simple swing and is a plus runner with intriguing defensive potential.

Logan Davidson, SS, Clemson

Seth Beer got all the attention at Clemson the last few couple years, but Davidson is the Tigers’ best prospect. A switch-hitter, Davidson has above-average power and a good chance to stay at shortstop.

I'll take one Adley Rutschman pls

Whatever happened to Bubba Starling?

Oh yeah. I definitely remember that.

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Re: how the Royals got this bad, this fast...

The big edges the 13-15 Royals had were their defense, bullpen, and balance.

Even the past two years, the bullpen was still very good but not elite, and the defense remained stellar.

But this is no longer an elite defensive team. They are not an elite bullpen and in fact are bad.

And an offense that was average lost its two best hitters. Throw in regression from most of the SP spots, and it gets ugly in a hurry.

Re: the draft, they are paying for not doing well in the 2011 and 12 drafts, trading their successes out of the 13 and 14 drafts, and not supplementing with great talent out of Latin America.

They haven’t done well enough. Especially in the early part of this decade... but I still see a correction based on some of the struggles.

Saying they haven’t drafted a quality major league player starting with the Colon draft is wrong, though.

Whit Merrifield was in the 2010 draft. Scott Alexander was a good pick (who they threw away to shed salary on Soria, still miffed about that). Jason Adam was in it and has wandered back to Kc. He was a big deal overslot signing at the time who still might be a useful bullpen guy.

In 2011, Starling is a painful miss (though you still can’t argue much with the pick at the time). Jakob Junis was in that draft and, despite his recent wobbles, is still someone I think can be a solid 3/4 type. Other than that, you’re left with a big pile of nothing, plus Terrence Gore (useful during the playoff runs), Patrick Leonard (who was part of the Shields/Davis trade), and Brian Brickhouse (who, like Adam, is trying to resurrect his career now that he’s back with KC).

2012 is a big pile of shit. They got unlucky with Zimmer falling apart, but the rest of that draft is a disaster. Matt Strahm was in it, though, and is a quality major leaguer.

2013 was a successful draft. Dozier may still be a solid major league regular, and Manaea and Cody Reed were key parts of a World Series championship. There’s not much else left of it, other than Kevin McCarthy.

2014 has a huge success in Brandon Finnegan, who provides instant value - they may not make the playoffs or win the wild wildcard game without him - and also was the key piece of the Cueto deal. The rest of the draft has been disappointing - Scott Blewett, and Foster Griffin have done what most of the projectable Hs arms the Royals have taken did... not develop into very much. Chase Vallot has enormous swing and miss problems that will prevent him from being a good major league player despite prodigious raw power and great walk rates.

Beyond that, you’re getting into territory where it’s hard to expect much from HS players yet. But let’s go there anyway.

2015 has the Russell and Watson double-down disaster. A disaster so bad I think it forced an organizational draft approach. Staumont was also in this one. Solid 3B prospect Emmanuel Rivera was a later round pick. They also got Skoglund in this one.

2016, they didn’t have a first round pick. AJ Puckett was an athletic college arm with some upside and a nice departure from the HS approach. Since trades. Khalil Lee is a legit prospect with all star potential. Nicky Lopez and Richard Lovelady look like future above-average contributors. Considering this draft has no first round picks, it’s actually shows some real progress.

2017... Pratto and Melendez both have enormous potential and could be future stars (especially Melendez). Dan Tillo shows promise as a left handed starter, and Michael Gigliotti is another potential above-average starter (currently sitting out after an AcL year) from that group. Gigs is someone I think could really jump up next - he was the top hitter in the Cape Cod league in 2016 and fell after a disappointing junior season at his college, but he posted an .875 OpS with good steals totals in his debut pro season. He also is good enough defensively to stick in CF or be a plus LF. Tyler Zuber looks like a potential future bullpen standout, and toolsy college outfielder Brewer Hicklen is hitting for average and power so far as a pro.

2018, they obviously went heavy on college pitching. I think they got a lot of value and have a good combo of floor and upside. I wish they’d been able to get Milan Walla signed as a toolsy hitting prospect, but they got a lot of value.

Regardless, when you review what the Royals have done since the disastrous 2015 draft, there’s a clear shift in philosophy and they’re finding more success, especially with non premium picks.

Had the 2011-2015 drafts had players like Nicky Lopez or Khalil Lee or Melendez or some of these college pitchers sprinkled in, they’d be in a lot better shape in the present day.

Witt is still my top guy. I’m looking for premium talent, and he has more of it that anyone at this point.

Rutschman and the Baylor catcher are interesting, though. Having a plus hitter at those spots is nice.

Knowing the way the draft tends to go when the Orioles and Royals are both bad, they’ll be a game worse, take Witt, and the Royals will he left with a far inferior choice

2010 - Machado to Colon
2011 - Dylan Bundy to Bubba Starling
2012 - Kevin Gausman to Kyle Zimmer

@jonmorosi: #Phillies interested in #Royals INF/OF Whit Merrifield via trade, sources say. #Brewers also interested in Merrifield, according to @Ken_Rosenthal. @MLBNetwork @MLB

Thoughts?

@h8rproof82: The Royals made a under the radar international signing bringing aboard Kaito Yuki who is 16 years old and from the same hometown as Yu Darvish. Royals are scanning the globe for talent. No stone left unturned.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/.../#.W0EzExZOmaM

Ned upping his suck for draft game with tonight’s lineup


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i want everything they have.

Dozier at third and Moose at first, and Prison Bitch's boy Esky in center (although Whit is at second!). I see Ned has reached "****it".

Also, we have two guys that have hit double digit home runs in our lineup - Salvy and Moose. Boston has three guys in their lineup that HAVEN'T hit double digit home runs. That's pretty cool.

@jonmorosi: Mike Moustakas starting at first base for the third time this season, and the #Yankees have a scout watching the #Royals this weekend. That may not be a coincidence. @MLBNetwork @MLB

Anybody find this POS game on direct TV. I'm bored and can't find it.

it should be on your local fox network, not fox midwest or fox sports one.

Interesting. That equates to 6-2 and an 87-88 mph fastball. Not bad for a 16-year old at all.

Depending on how projectable he is, he might be a big bonus type if he were from Latin America.

It’s creative if nothing else. I like it.

Going to have to pony up to get Whit.

Fox

So where will he play until he's 18 years old and of a typical age for a rookie baller?

Welp.

The Padres are enduring their first agonizing Bad Eric Hosmer stretch (usually it follows a hot stretch where he gets overconfident and decides to start trying to pull everything).

I wonder if Boston is regretting going with Mitch Moreland and not taking Scott Boras up on a 150m deal?

If Moustakas goes to the Yankees, is anyone going to root for them? I'll be honest, I am.

They are a fun team, even though they are the Yankees and I should hate them, The front office did everything right. Now they have a surplus of a farm system and a top offense and 3 closers in relief. Just need a first basemen worth a damn and another ace.

Dammit will the Orioles ever win a freaking game? With the Royals record they should have the #1 pick locked down but Baltimore is keeping it close.

I understand the Yankees and Red Sox of the world have a huge advantage in free agency and being able to keep their own guys, but it's almost impossible to compete when they're also able to draft guys like Aaron Judge and Mookie Betts. We haven't been able to find anyone remotely close to that level of player.

How much do you think the 2015 ALCS is in Price's head when he walks into the K?

We should have brought Goins back just to stir the memory a bit. Ah, ok yeah no. Not worth it.

Heh,


Always gives me great pleasure that the Royals ruined both the Blye Jays and Orioles championship parties.

Mark Reynolds had a decent day today. I wonder how many times we've had a guy get 10 RBI in a month, let alone in a single game.

Maurer getting that ERA up to near 11.

And now it's Butera time.

Maurer looking great.

I'm pretty sure Butera's changeup is better than some of our actual relievers.

Jesus - this is so ****ing pathetic

Maurer went to arbitration to ask for almost 1 million more from the Royals.

He lost. He’s still making 5.3 million this year.

Why didn't Maurer finish this out?

We want to actually get the third out and go home at some point.

It’s like the BoSox vs a Johnson County 3 & 2 Baseball Team

Just burn this shit down aleady.

It took quite some time for that as well. I would hope he just eats innings the rest of the year. **** his arm.

That’s gonna hurt our run differential

4 wins in our last 30 games.:shake:

It's a good thing they won that makeup game with the Angels. They went 0-8 the last homestand, and are about to go 0-6 for this one. If it wasn't for that makeup game it would have been over a month since the last home win.

I know hes got this team to back to back world series but it should give everyone pause a out this year. This was supposed to be at worse a 65-70 win team. Everyone should be concerned about Moore as a GM and question if Neds heart is still in it.

Starting to feel like those Jimmy Gobble days...

No one will be surprised if Ned walks away after this year. I kinda commend him for not leaving when things were cherry. He had to know this wasn’t gonna be a great team. I put this mostly on GMDM. Ned has what he has to work with, which includes maybe the worst starting rotation in baseball and two pitchers in Hammel and Maurer that should immediately retire. He also has to play Raul Mondesi(who may become good but to date is pretty bad), Hunter Dozier(again, some potential but to this point is Kila jr.), Esky(in fairness Ned would probably play him anyway), the slightly improved but still not good at the plate Alex, and whatever other guys he can throw out there. The lineup is basically Whit, some pop from Moose and once in awhile a reminder of what Salvy was(maybe just a bad year, maybe ridden into an early career crest and fall). Not much Ned can do.

Had to be totally out of touch to look at that roster and think anything other than over 100 L's.

The difference between this roster and those 100 loss teams is that this roster has some actualy major league baseball players that will continue to play after they leave the Royals.

As did those 100 loss teams with David Dejesus, John Buck, Mark Teahen, Zack Greinke, and Jeremy Affeldt.

@maria_torres3: Moves: Royals place Jakob Junis on the DL with low back inflammation. Heath Fillmyer will start today. Glenn Sparkman’s contract has been selected from Class AAA Omaha.

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Alcides Escobar’s consecutive game streak will end today at 421 games. #Royals

Seeing a lot of Moustakas and Merrifield chatter, and the Royals made tribute type social media posts to them last night.

Deals might happen soon.

Dream scenarios:

Moustakas to Yankees for something like Luis Medina and Juan Then.

Merrifield to Brewers for Corey Ray, Joe Gray Jr (2018 comp round pick connected to Royals pre-draft) and a B pitching prospect sounds about right and might be a little light.

That would explain why he’s been leaving the fastballs up and hasn’t been finishing the slider well.

Holy shit! Is Ned alright?

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I'm expecting less for Moose & more from Whit. I wondering if they'll move Duffy?

The Phillies have amassed so much starting pitching depth that the Royals might be able to convince them that Eflin is pitching over his head a bit and take a shot at him.

Eickhoff's issues are starting to sound vaguely thoracic outletish though, so the Phils may not be willing to move a guy that's made huge strides in approach and raw stuff this year. But man, snagging Eflin before this season's breakout would've been a coup and damn doable. The ship has probably sailed there...

Do we ever win?

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Are you saying Eflin for Moustakas? I’d be all over that. Would be a huge coup.

Or are you saying Eflin for Merrifield? Because that’s less exciting. Would rather spread out the return to multiple players a few years away, that line up with the next grouping of players better.


Ray was a top 50 prospect entering last season and is having a nice rebound season at AA. I’d value him like a top 50-75 prospect, which should be the headliner in any deal for Merrifield with multiple players.

It might be a little light for what KC would need, but I like him a lot.

It would have to be Merrifield. You won't get anything close to Eflin for Moustakas.

You'd have to trust Eflin's renaissance but if you did, it would be hard to argue against that deal. He's a 24 yr old with 4 years of control remaining after this season. Let's say in 2019 he has another year like he's having now - you could get the Quintana package for him at that point; an Eloy Jimenez kind of return.

If you're flipping assets you may not get exactly where you want to be in a single move, but flipping Whit for a guy who's trade value could easily double Merrifield's in 12 months time would have to be a worthwhile consideration.

Or, if you think Eflin's just in a hot stretch and could easily return to being a #5 type soon enough, you obviously don't make the move. As is often the case, that's a scouts trade. But at 6'6'' and with a broad frame, there's nothing in his build that says he can't support his newly found velocity on the repaired knees.

@FlannyMLB: Burch Smith will start Wednesday. Jason Hammel to the bullpen.

I really thought Moose, Whit and Salvy were way better than anyone on those 100 loss teams.. plus guys like Soler and Bonifacio who have some legit big time talent. But it hasn't worked out that way. This team is way worse offensively than the last 100 loss team in 2006.

Greinke wasn't back yet on those 100 loss teams... those were the Scott Elarton/Mark Redman years. Those were some horrible, horrible pitching staffs. Basically everyone that pitched had a 5+ ERA. This year's team is heading down the same path, especially now that we lost Herrera.

They misspelled "DFA".

That’s what I figured. I see where you’re going with it but just don’t love betting all of that on Eflin continuing to be this good AND doing so while moving to the American League and not getting 2 free outs a game.

On the other hand, he leaves one of the nastiest pitching parks in the game for the friendly confines of Kaufman.

If he's legit, the switch in parks can make up a lot of what the switch in leagues costs him.

The 'if' is the catch, but it's also the only reason why you could get him. I mean the kid's pitched as well as anyone in baseball for a month now. If you'd have tried to snag Severino prior to the 2017 season you could have done so but if you waited until the end of 2017 he'd become one of the least attainable assets in baseball. Snell's looking like a similar creature. Maybe you could've snagged him in April when he was pitching well but nobody knew if he'd continue to do so. 10 weeks later you'd have to offer the moon for him. He who hesitates, masturbates and what not...

You don't get young aces unless you're willing to gamble before they've fully established themselves.

I've been skeptical all along they'll get much for Moose. But with several teams jumping in maybe they can get something decent.

I still think Royals fans are going to be disappointed. Fans view him as a fan favorite and cornerstone type player, and I don't think other teams see it that way. He's already posted a higher WAR than last year though because his defense has rated better. Then you factor in he's a rental and this is probably going to be the best buyer's market in years because half the league is out of the playoffs already.

It really depends on the market but remember that JD Martinez got a bag of beans last year and was the clear top of the market for hitters.

Moustakas, OTOH, is maybe as low as 3rd in line among 3b options (let alone all possible hitter).

That's not to say the market will be identical this year but there's definitely a chance. There's a reason the guy had to take a 'make good' deal in the off-season and while he started out hot, he went cold for a good bit as well. He's not really been much of an asset for the last 50 games or so - that's not gonna help, especially when he's a rental.

If you could get a top 100 prospect you scream 'yes!' and hang up the phone before he has a chance to change his mind. I'd be pretty surprised if that's the case. I'd guess you're more likely to get a couple of guys that are sitting in the 20-30 range of a team's prospect pool. Maybe if you're lucky one of them turns into a Luis Castillo or Freddy Peralta.

If someone legit offered a top 100 prospect I'd hire Elon Musk to send Moose to the other team on a rocket ship before the other GM hung up the phone. I'm expecting a prospect on a team's 15-20 range, and that may be too high.

The last couple years there have been 20 some odd teams still in contention because of the wild cards. This year there may be 12-15, and they aren't all going to be big buyers.

Lots of buzz on Twitter this morning that the Brewers have thrown their hat into the Machado sweepstakes. May have to wait on this before we'd see any traction on Merrifield.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dodgers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dodgers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Brewers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Brewers</a> most serious for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Orioles?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Orioles</a>’ Machado, sources tell The Athletic. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Indians?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Indians</a> also in mix, though taking on rest of Machado’s $16M might be obstacle. Question remains: Will O’s ownership view offers practically or slow down process by asking for other players?</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1016008907477549056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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If the Brewers would talk Santana and Arcia, that deal would almost certainly get done.

It might be an overpay for them but Arcia's been a disappointment and they're struggling to find a home for Santana. The Orioles will ask Huira but that's gonna be a tough pull for them.

I don’t think they’ll get a TON. Landing a 10-20 guy and a 20-30 guy out of the Yankees system would be a really nice return for him.

I see conflicting reports on what the Dodgers are offering in comparison... but they are usually not big on offering up their top guys. The only guy apparently saying the Dodgers have offered their top guys is Jim Bowden. And we know how accurate he usually is.

Yeah, it’s an interesting, creative idea and presents the potential to turn a good trade chip into a great one.

I just can’t see Moore and his staff making the deal with that in mind. And there is a fair amount of risk (swapping a position player asset for a pitching asset, that pitcher being one on a hot streak who doesn’t have much track record at this level of performance).

Everything we’ve seen from them suggests they’ll target multiple guys and look for upside guys rather than a proven major leaguer.

Their refusal to part with Alex Verdugo has been the damndest thing to me.

In an absolutely perfect world where nothing goes wrong in his development he becomes Christian Yelich. Meanwhile they gave up Calhoun who may not have Verdugo's high floor but I think his ceiling is better.

The Dodgers and their ridiculous wealth should be a little less clingy with some of their prospects, IMO.

Not if I’m pulling the trigger for the Orioles. Would be a really underwhelming return for a rental of a top 10 position player.

They’re fixated on pitching in the return. If they were being creative, the Orioles would throw Bundy into their deal with the Brewers and ask for Hiura, Burnes, and another guy like Wilkerson for the Machado/Bundy combo.

I think Santana hits 35 in Camden. Just entering his prime with 3 more years of control after this one. I think he's a nice player with an established major league floor.

Arcia looked like an emerging talent last year and has long been a top 100 type prospect; as much as a top 10 in a lot of lists. Just 23 and with 4 years of control after this year.

That's two pretty nice big league players with potential to be fringe all-star caliber guys with a lot of control left for a player they know they're losing soon. They may not have superstar upside but they have a lot of potential.