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htismaqe 03-07-2021 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15574877)
well, you know, the other guys get paid too.

I mean sometimes that's the way it goes. The best offenses in football history have punted on occasion.

We legitimately have room for ONE offensive weapon to be added that would be of any real impact, to be a healthy Sammy Watkins role in this offense. I mean there's only one football. That's really it. ONE.

We have two of the most potent weapons in the league. We have another so far underutilized weapon in CEH. I think a regular offseason makes a difference there. (oh, and maybe some better blocking.)

Yeah, I mean, we could use a legit #2 that could actually play every week. But it's not like we're hurting for weapons.

We're literally trotting out trash at 40% of our offensive line to START WITH. Before injuries.

and yeah, Reiter SUCKS. I don't care what PFF says. Wylie BLOWS. They're bad. They're back-up level guys and shouldn't be starting on a Super Bowl caliber team.
Hill and Kelce are to the receiving group what Fisher and Schwartz are to the line.

They're all very, very good and among the best in the game at their respective positions.

DRob and Hardman compare to Reiter and Wylie. They're simply not good enough.

Furthermore, all of this handwringing about the offensive line is due to injuries. What the **** do you think is going to happen if we lose Kelce or Reek (or BOTH like we did Fisher and Schwartz for the Super Bowl?)

We need offensive line help. We need weapons. They're not mutually exclusive.

htismaqe 03-07-2021 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15574884)
and again, I'm half crocked, but my master bathroom shower was leaking into my kitchen, and I had to demo the walls around it because the drywall was ruined, and I'm re-tiling the whole thing and while it's going to look really great when I'm done...

yeah, I'm a box of wine down, 'cuz I'm classy. :)
I had to tear up a drain pipe this weekend. Dumbass contractor installed a T joint upside down, which is why our sink ended up clogged.

Chris Meck 03-07-2021 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15574887)
I had to tear up a drain pipe this weekend. Dumbass contractor installed a T joint upside down, which is why our sink ended up clogged.
I feel your pain.

:D

Chris Meck 03-07-2021 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15574886)
Hill and Kelce are to the receiving group what Fisher and Schwartz are to the line.

They're all very, very good and among the best in the game at their respective positions.

DRob and Hardman compare to Reiter and Wylie. They're simply not good enough.

Furthermore, all of this handwringing about the offensive line is due to injuries. What the **** do you think is going to happen if we lose Kelce or Reek (or BOTH like we did Fisher and Schwartz for the Super Bowl?)

We need offensive line help. We need weapons. They're not mutually exclusive.
They're absolutely not mutually exclusive, and like I said, I think Veach and Reid can walk and chew gum.

I also think Drob and Hardman are not = Reiter and Wylie.

I think Drob/Pringle are perfectly reasonable #3/#4 receivers.

I think Hardman is a bit of a knucklehead so far, but has talents that far exceed the typical #3/#4 receiver's. I think it's reasonable to assume he gets smarter as he learns.

I think Reiter is not a starting quality NFL Center. I think Wylie is a reasonably decent back-up lineman. I do not think either are starters, and We started the season with Reiter starting with Wylie taking LDT's spot. You'll notice that nearly any positive gain on the ground goes either left or wide right outside of Schwartz.

Wylie sucks. If he's penciled in to start, Veach has ****ed up. If Reiter's penciled in to start, Veach has ****ed up.

I'm 99% sure Veach will not **** up.

MahomesMagic 03-07-2021 08:25 AM
Picking at 31 we can't be committed to one position. We have to take what the draft gives us.

Draft whoever shouldn't even still be there.

Right now guys like

Jaylen Mayfield
Jaelan Phillips
Kadarius Toney

All make sense and can be great value at 31.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-07-2021 05:24 PM
And people said I was an idiot for saying we couldn’t afford Trent Williams. Y’all can lick my asshole

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He said he wants to be back, but Trent Williams likely making it to the open market isn&#39;t being talked about enough. Still one of the best in the league at a prime position. He smartly put a clause in his deal that SF can&#39;t use the franchise tag.<br><br>Highest paid T is $23M per year.</p>&mdash; NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1368683899019272197?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sofa King 03-07-2021 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15575416)
And people said I was an idiot for saying we couldn’t afford Trent Williams. Y’all can lick my asshole

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He said he wants to be back, but Trent Williams likely making it to the open market isn&#39;t being talked about enough. Still one of the best in the league at a prime position. He smartly put a clause in his deal that SF can&#39;t use the franchise tag.<br><br>Highest paid T is $23M per year.</p>&mdash; NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1368683899019272197?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Who even said this? It's pretty damn obvious we can't afford him. I think you're making this up.

BossChief 03-07-2021 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 15575430)
Who even said this? It's pretty damn obvious we can't afford him. I think you're making this up.
It came up when talk of cutting Fisher and Schwartz retiring would clear a bunch of cap space.

Hoover 03-07-2021 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15574886)
Hill and Kelce are to the receiving group what Fisher and Schwartz are to the line.

They're all very, very good and among the best in the game at their respective positions.

DRob and Hardman compare to Reiter and Wylie. They're simply not good enough.

Furthermore, all of this handwringing about the offensive line is due to injuries. What the **** do you think is going to happen if we lose Kelce or Reek (or BOTH like we did Fisher and Schwartz for the Super Bowl?)

We need offensive line help. We need weapons. They're not mutually exclusive.
The difference is that Reiter and Wylie get the same snap counts and Fisher and Schwartz, that not even close to being true of DRob and Hardman. Comparing a #3 and #4 WR to a starter along the offensive line is apples and oranges.


I mean do you think Kelce and Hill should get less targets? Because if you draft a WR in the first round, you are.

OKchiefs 03-07-2021 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15574967)
Picking at 31 we can't be committed to one position. We have to take what the draft gives us.

Draft whoever shouldn't even still be there.

Right now guys like

Jaylen Mayfield
Jaelan Phillips
Kadarius Toney

All make sense and can be great value at 31.
No, but I also don’t like the idea of just sitting and waiting if a good opportunity to trade up or down presents itself. If there’s a player you want that’s available around pick 20-25 maybe look into a trade up. Likewise, if the value may be similar 10 picks later and you can pick up an extra 3rd then consider that as well.

DaneMcCloud 03-07-2021 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15575517)
I mean do you think Kelce and Hill should get less targets? Because if you draft a WR in the first round, you are.
If the other receivers could get open, then hell yes

The Franchise 03-07-2021 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15575571)
If the other receivers could get open, then hell yes
Exactly. Add a legitimate X receiver and watch this offense take off. Kelce isnt getting younger and another weapon would free up Hill more.

RunKC 03-07-2021 10:24 PM
Veach floating that backup TE comment was very interesting. Makes me wonder if that is a priority since Kelce is turning 32 this year.

Maybe give him a few more breathers to stay fresh as he gets older to keep his productivity up.

-King- 03-07-2021 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15575603)
Veach floating that backup TE comment was very interesting. Makes me wonder if that is a priority since Kelce is turning 32 this year.

Maybe give him a few more breathers to stay fresh as he gets older to keep his productivity up.
Demetrius Harris looks like Antonio Gates compared to the players we've had at TE2 since he left.

Titty Meat 03-08-2021 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15575416)
And people said I was an idiot for saying we couldn’t afford Trent Williams. Y’all can lick my asshole

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He said he wants to be back, but Trent Williams likely making it to the open market isn&#39;t being talked about enough. Still one of the best in the league at a prime position. He smartly put a clause in his deal that SF can&#39;t use the franchise tag.<br><br>Highest paid T is $23M per year.</p>&mdash; NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1368683899019272197?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Hes also 32 so has a few more good years of football but he doesnt change the cap situation for this team. I think the smart money is seeing what Fisher has this year and draft a LT that can be the guy in the next few years thus helping your cap.

duncan_idaho 03-08-2021 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15575416)
And people said I was an idiot for saying we couldn’t afford Trent Williams. Y’all can lick my asshole

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He said he wants to be back, but Trent Williams likely making it to the open market isn&#39;t being talked about enough. Still one of the best in the league at a prime position. He smartly put a clause in his deal that SF can&#39;t use the franchise tag.<br><br>Highest paid T is $23M per year.</p>— NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1368683899019272197?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don’t remember you being called an idiot.

But that conversation was pre-Veach teleconference. It was based on the idea/fear Schwartz was going to just retire and Fisher would be out almost all of 2021. With Schwartz sounding like he’s on track to be back for all offseason activities and the positive hope for Fisher, it moves the Chiefs from needed to find a long-term fix to needing to find a short-term band aid.

Without the $20M of cap room those two no longer being in the picture created, it is hard to see the Chiefs spending the cap they can clear by extending Mathieu, restructuring Mahomes and Kelce, and possibly extending Hill on another OT.

O.city 03-08-2021 07:59 AM
How would everyone feel about Nelson Agholor replacing Watkins?

bobhill 03-08-2021 08:03 AM
When do cuts start?

duncan_idaho 03-08-2021 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15575690)
How would everyone feel about Nelson Agholor replacing Watkins?

I’d be intrigued by it, though his DickHands would drive me nuts.

I’d pop for a year or 2 of Marvin Jones before Agholor, personally.

-King- 03-08-2021 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15575690)
How would everyone feel about Nelson Agholor replacing Watkins?
I'm a big fan of that happening.

Sassy Squatch 03-08-2021 08:36 AM
Sounds like the tag deadline will be moved back again like last year. No real relevance to the Chiefs.

The Franchise 03-08-2021 10:04 AM
What about Benson Mayawa as a rotational DE on a cheap one year deal?

Lilmrp117 03-08-2021 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15575697)
I’d be intrigued by it, though his DickHands would drive me nuts.

I’d pop for a year or 2 of Marvin Jones before Agholor, personally.
Quite a few better options than agholor like Curtis Samuel, marvin jones, josh reynolds, rashard Higgins. I'd take any of them over agholor .

New World Order 03-08-2021 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15575750)
What about Benson Mayawa as a rotational DE on a cheap one year deal?
I'm down. We need a couple of cheap rotational edge players.

Hoover 03-08-2021 10:33 AM
There are so many FA WRs, it would be a mistake not to wait and see who you might be able to get on a one year deal after the first couple weeks of free agency.

Chris Meck 03-08-2021 10:35 AM
I'd bet the house we add an OT, IOL, WR, Edge, and S.

A couple of those spots via FA, the rest in the draft.

Sassy Squatch 03-08-2021 10:50 AM
Bobby Massie will be a free agent. Another veteran OT option

Dante84 03-08-2021 10:57 AM
One thing we know about Veach is that he does not like his hand forced. He's said multiple times he covets flexibility in the draft and free agency, because you lose leverage when you have significant holes.

I imagine we'll get some guys in each of those spots as well - they may not be stars or even starter quality, but I doubt we go into the draft with a sure-fire wide open spot to fill.

[Side Note: I think that this past Super Bowl was Veach's nightmare scenario. He worked his ass off to have depth across the board and talent up top, only to watch his entire investment in the OL - starters and backup insurance players - drop like flies for one reason or another. There's no such thing as a sure thing, and you can't ever feel satisfied with the bottom of the roster. I bet he will carry that scar with him for the rest of his career and we'll be better for it.]

TRR 03-08-2021 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Lilmrp117 (Post 15575756)
Quite a few better options than agholor like Curtis Samuel, marvin jones, josh reynolds, rashard Higgins. I'd take any of them over agholor .
Veach had a quick comment on his last interview that made me think there is a possibility they roll with Hill, Hardman, Pringle, etc. and prioritize a real weapon at TE behind Kelce...potentially in free agency.

A TE like Zach Ertz (just an example) would make this offense much more multiple, potentially help in the run game, and allow Kelce to move around even more, knowing another weapon is on the field opposite him.

-King- 03-08-2021 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Lilmrp117 (Post 15575756)
Quite a few better options than agholor like Curtis Samuel, marvin jones, josh reynolds, rashard Higgins. I'd take any of them over agholor .
Samuel and Jones are better but they'll likely get bigger deals than we can afford. And I don't think Reynolds and Higgins are better. Reynolds has better hands but isn't a better overall WR IMO.

MahomesMagic 03-08-2021 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 15575795)
Veach had a quick comment on his last interview that made me think there is a possibility they roll with Hill, Hardman, Pringle, etc. and prioritize a real weapon at TE behind Kelce...potentially in free agency.

A TE like Zach Ertz (just an example) would make this offense much more multiple, potentially help in the run game, and allow Kelce to move around even more, knowing another weapon is on the field opposite him.
I'm fine with adding another TE but Hardman as our 2nd best WR is gross.

htismaqe 03-08-2021 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15575672)
I don’t remember you being called an idiot.

But that conversation was pre-Veach teleconference. It was based on the idea/fear Schwartz was going to just retire and Fisher would be out almost all of 2021. With Schwartz sounding like he’s on track to be back for all offseason activities and the positive hope for Fisher, it moves the Chiefs from needed to find a long-term fix to needing to find a short-term band aid.

Without the $20M of cap room those two no longer being in the picture created, it is hard to see the Chiefs spending the cap they can clear by extending Mathieu, restructuring Mahomes and Kelce, and possibly extending Hill on another OT.
Sorry but even before the Fisher / Schwartz news, there was zero chance they were going to be in on the Williams sweepstakes. He was never coming here.

htismaqe 03-08-2021 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15575517)
The difference is that Reiter and Wylie get the same snap counts and Fisher and Schwartz, that not even close to being true of DRob and Hardman. Comparing a #3 and #4 WR to a starter along the offensive line is apples and oranges.

I mean do you think Kelce and Hill should get less targets? Because if you draft a WR in the first round, you are.
A first round or FA WR is going to take reps from Hardman and DRob, not from Hill and Kelce.

And as for the line, snap counts are irrelevant. They're your 3rd and 4th best offensive linemen, right now. They're NEVER going to be as good as your 1st and 2nd-best, even if you replace them. You're never going to have studs at every position on the line unless you sell out to do it.

staylor26 03-08-2021 11:55 AM
Nothing about Veach’s comments suggest that he’s going to ignore WR in favor of TE2.

In fact, nothing this team has done in Reid’s tenure suggest that would be the case.

Here’s a thought. Maybe they can add a WR AND a TE!

RunKC 03-08-2021 12:00 PM
Veach is going add weapons damn near every year guys. He’s added at least one each year he’s been GM.

That will continue

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-08-2021 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15575603)
Veach floating that backup TE comment was very interesting. Makes me wonder if that is a priority since Kelce is turning 32 this year.

Maybe give him a few more breathers to stay fresh as he gets older to keep his productivity up.
Kelce is gonna play until he’s 40 at this rate. No major injuries and seems like he’s getting better with age

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-08-2021 12:14 PM
Seahawks releases Carlos Dunlap

TRR 03-08-2021 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15575839)
Nothing about Veach’s comments suggest that he’s going to ignore WR in favor of TE2.

In fact, nothing this team has done in Reid’s tenure suggest that would be the case.

Here’s a thought. Maybe they can add a WR AND a TE!
Time will tell.

staylor26 03-08-2021 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 15575856)
Time will tell.
I don’t know why so many on CP think they can’t address multiple needs/positions.

Between free agency and the draft this team can easily add an OT, C, WR, TE, DE, S, LB, and CB.

After comp picks are announced we should have 7 picks in the first 5 rounds.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-08-2021 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15575864)
I don’t know why so many on CP think they can’t address multiple needs/positions.

Between free agency and the draft this team can easily add an OT, C, WR, TE, DE, S, LB, and CB.

After comp picks are announced we should have 7 picks in the first 5 rounds.
Yep. It’s predicted we get a fourth for Fuller and a fifth for Ogbah

htismaqe 03-08-2021 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15575864)
I don’t know why so many on CP think they can’t address multiple needs/positions.

Between free agency and the draft this team can easily add an OT, C, WR, TE, DE, S, LB, and CB.

After comp picks are announced we should have 7 picks in the first 5 rounds.
They need at least 4 new offensive linemen. :D

Pitt Gorilla 03-08-2021 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15575637)
Demetrius Harris looks like Antonio Gates compared to the players we've had at TE2 since he left.
Which is pretty much what I said was going to happen at the time. Chief Fan loved to hate on Harris, but I never understood who they thought would competently replace him. Bell Dozer was the closest we could get.

Always assuming "well, we can draft a guy" and it'll work out is a fool's errand.

The Franchise 03-08-2021 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15575886)
Which is pretty much what I said was going to happen at the time. Chief Fan loved to hate on Harris, but I never understood who they thought would competently replace him. Bell Dozer was the closest we could get.

Always assuming "well, we can draft a guy" and it'll work out is a fool's errand.
The last time we drafted a TE was in 2015.

Pitt Gorilla 03-08-2021 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15575889)
The last time we drafted a TE was in 2015.
Exactly. There are only so many picks to go around.

Chris Meck 03-08-2021 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15575871)
They need at least 4 new offensive linemen. :D
no, but they need 2.

TRR 03-08-2021 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15575864)
I don’t know why so many on CP think they can’t address multiple needs/positions.

Between free agency and the draft this team can easily add an OT, C, WR, TE, DE, S, LB, and CB.

After comp picks are announced we should have 7 picks in the first 5 rounds.
I don’t disagree that they can. I just doubt that they will...especially in free agency.

staylor26 03-08-2021 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 15576045)
I don’t disagree that they can. I just doubt that they will...especially in free agency.
You doubt they will? Why? Because Veach happened to mention backup TE in a PC?

This isn’t an either/or thing. They have free agency AND the draft to address needs.

What reason do you have to believe that with 8 picks and free agency that they can’t/won’t add a WR AND a TE? This makes no ****ing sense.

I mean, they’re likely losing Robinson AND Watkins and you think they aren’t going to add a WR?

They didn’t draft a WR last year. The chances that they don’t again this year are VERY slim. They aren’t going to miss out on two very good WR’s classes in a row, especially when they’re likely losing 2 of their top 4.

Sassy Squatch 03-08-2021 03:35 PM
Oweh ain't making it to 31.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got the following #’s from well regarded speed coach Ryan Capretta of <a href="https://twitter.com/proactivesp?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@proactivesp</a>. Jayson Oweh: 4.34 hand/ 4.38 laser —&gt; Jaycee Horn: 4.39 hand/ 4.42 laser. —&gt; Micah Parsons: 4.41 hand/ 4.44 laser. Capretta correctly timed Isaiah Simmons last year at 4.38 laser b4 the combine.</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1369027643077713936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

htismaqe 03-08-2021 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15576143)
Oweh ain't making it to 31.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got the following #’s from well regarded speed coach Ryan Capretta of <a href="https://twitter.com/proactivesp?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@proactivesp</a>. Jayson Oweh: 4.34 hand/ 4.38 laser —&gt; Jaycee Horn: 4.39 hand/ 4.42 laser. —&gt; Micah Parsons: 4.41 hand/ 4.44 laser. Capretta correctly timed Isaiah Simmons last year at 4.38 laser b4 the combine.</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1369027643077713936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I imagine he goes in the mid-20's.

And Parsons is going to go top 10. I know a lot of people think he'll end up in Detroit.

staylor26 03-08-2021 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15576143)
Oweh ain't making it to 31.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got the following #’s from well regarded speed coach Ryan Capretta of <a href="https://twitter.com/proactivesp?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@proactivesp</a>. Jayson Oweh: 4.34 hand/ 4.38 laser —&gt; Jaycee Horn: 4.39 hand/ 4.42 laser. —&gt; Micah Parsons: 4.41 hand/ 4.44 laser. Capretta correctly timed Isaiah Simmons last year at 4.38 laser b4 the combine.</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1369027643077713936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
So many people in the draft section telling me this guy isn’t a 1st rounder LMAO

Hopefully this can push Phillips down to 31.

MahomesMagic 03-08-2021 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15576161)
So many people in the draft section telling me this guy isn’t a 1st rounder LMAO

Hopefully this can push Phillips down to 31.
Oweh and Phillips were the two DE's I could see us grabbing if they get to us.

htismaqe 03-08-2021 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15576161)
So many people in the draft section telling me this guy isn’t a 1st rounder LMAO

Hopefully this can push Phillips down to 31.
I don't know how badly I'd want him in the first round. His lack of production IS a concern, if only minor.

But he's definitely going in the first round. I doubt it he even makes it to 31.

RunKC 03-08-2021 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15576168)
I don't know how badly I'd want him in the first round. His lack of production IS a concern, if only minor.

But he's definitely going in the first round. I doubt it he even makes it to 31.
It’s a big concern IMO. Of course he’ll go in the first since he’s a physics freak, but just because you’re a physical freak doesn’t mean you’re going to be good.

CC: Tanoh Kpassagnon

staylor26 03-08-2021 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15576175)
It’s a big concern IMO. Of course he’ll go in the first since he’s a physics freak, but just because you’re a physical freak doesn’t mean you’re going to be good.

CC: Tanoh Kpassagnon
This is the second time somebody has made this stupid comparison.

Kpass isn’t even remotely close to Oweh. Not even in the same stratosphere. You realize that, right?

He also didn’t flash nearly as much on tape.

When it comes to pass rushers, you bet on traits and athleticism every single time.

CC: Danielle Hunter

TRR 03-08-2021 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15576081)
You doubt they will? Why? Because Veach happened to mention backup TE in a PC?

This isn’t an either/or thing. They have free agency AND the draft to address needs.

What reason do you have to believe that with 8 picks and free agency that they can’t/won’t add a WR AND a TE? This makes no ****ing sense.

I mean, they’re likely losing Robinson AND Watkins and you think they aren’t going to add a WR?

They didn’t draft a WR last year. The chances that they don’t again this year are VERY slim. They aren’t going to miss out on two very good WR’s classes in a row, especially when they’re likely losing 2 of their top 4.
My last comment wasn’t referring to a TE and WR. It was in reference to all the positions you listed out. Additionally, I don’t think all of those positions, if added, will contribute next year either.

Veach has already stated (could be GM speak) that they won’t be running out early for a WR given Hill, Hardman, and Pringle. And that any moves they do complete, could impact other deals/current deals. He’ll be smart about it.

To your overall question...My guess is Veach/Reid will make a splash...maybe two...in free agency, and trust that players like Hardman, Pringle, Allegretti, Wylie (RFA) Gay, etc. take the next step in their development.

O.city 03-08-2021 04:22 PM
Pass rushers with that type of physical traits having that lack of production is a bit frightening. I'm not sure what the issue is there?

staylor26 03-08-2021 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 15576190)
My last comment wasn’t referring to a TE and WR. It was in reference to all the positions you listed out. Additionally, I don’t think all of those positions, if added, will contribute next year either.

Veach has already stated (could be GM speak) that they won’t be running out early for a WR given Hill, Hardman, and Pringle. And that any moves they do complete, could impact other deals/current deals. He’ll be smart about it.

To your overall question...My guess is Veach/Reid will make a splash...maybe two...in free agency, and trust that players like Hardman, Pringle, Allegretti, Wylie (RFA) Gay, etc. take the next step in their development.
No, what Veach said was that we aren’t going to go out and sign a WR immediately in free agency (like we did with Watkins) because we don’t have the money to do that.

This was unsolicited, so if anything, I found it interesting that he specifically mentioned a WR. They aren’t going to go out and get a big fish there, but that kind of makes me think they want to get a guy in that tier 2/3 area which goes with what guys like Nate Taylor have said.

And if the PC is what you’re basing all of this on, he even said something about adding a WR in the draft.

They are adding a WR one way or the other, and they will probably do both.

The point is backup TE has no impact on them adding a WR.

staylor26 03-08-2021 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15576196)
Pass rushers with that type of physical traits having that lack of production is a bit frightening. I'm not sure what the issue is there?
He had 6 sacks in 2019. He’s shown he’s capable of being productive.

He was absolutely disruptive on tape and consistently got pressure in 2020. It’s all on tape, and just about every scouting report mentions this. DJ, Zierlein, Brugler etc. have all said the same thing. This is reflected by his pass rush win rate and PFF grades (I know I know PFF) as well. The lack of production is 100% misleading, which is why I think it’s silly to stop there.

Despite the difference in production, nobody will tell you he didn’t clearly get better from 2019 to 2020.

The issue is it was a weird year and he’s still new to football. He’s not an athlete playing football though. He’s definitely a football player and has improved while demonstrating he has the intangibles to make a huge jump in the NFL.

RunKC 03-08-2021 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15576196)
Pass rushers with that type of physical traits having that lack of production is a bit frightening. I'm not sure what the issue is there?
That’s why I wouldn’t draft him in the first rd. Guys like that should be dominating in college. Dude is an elite specimen and couldn’t get a single sack?

That terrifies me if I’m a GM

TRR 03-08-2021 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15576197)
No, what Veach said was that we aren’t going to go out and sign a WR immediately in free agency (like we did with Watkins) because we don’t have the money to do that.

This was unsolicited, so if anything, I found it interesting that he specifically mentioned a WR. They aren’t going to go out and get a big fish there, but that kind of makes me think they want to get a guy in that tier 2/3 area which goes with what guys like Nate Taylor have said.

And if the PC is what you’re basing all of this on, he even said something about adding a WR in the draft.

They are adding a WR one way or the other, and they will probably do both.

The point is backup TE has no impact on them adding a WR.
Are you advocating for a WR?

Time will tell. If they prioritize a top tier TE in free agency, the level of WR they may sign won’t be impactful.

staylor26 03-08-2021 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 15576214)
Are you advocating for a WR?

Time will tell. If they prioritize a top tier TE in free agency, the level of WR they may sign won’t be impactful.
Who isn’t advocating for a WR? We’re likely losing two of our top 4. You think a team that has consistently invested in the position while simultaneously not putting much value into TE2 had a sudden dramatic change in philosophy after a SB where nobody outside of Tyreek Hill could win 1 on 1?

They aren’t going to “prioritize a top tier TE in free agency”. What reason do we have to believe they will? Again, because Veach mentioned backup TE? He mentioned WR as well. You aren’t making any sense with this argument.

O.city 03-08-2021 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15576199)
He had 6 sacks in 2019. He’s shown he’s capable of being productive.

He was absolutely disruptive on tape and consistently got pressure in 2020. It’s all on tape, and just about every scouting report mentions this. DJ, Zierlein, Brugler etc. have all said the same thing. This is reflected by his pass rush win rate and PFF grades (I know I know PFF) as well. The lack of production is 100% misleading, which is why I think it’s silly to stop there.

Despite the difference in production, nobody will tell you he didn’t clearly get better from 2019 to 2020.

The issue is it was a weird year and he’s still new to football. He’s not an athlete playing football though. He’s definitely a football player and has improved while demonstrating he has the intangibles to make a huge jump in the NFL.
I'm always leery of no production, but at the end of the first, you're not getting a clean prospect. It is what it is.

Figure out what he does well and ask him to do that.

TRR 03-08-2021 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15576216)
Who isn’t advocating for a WR? We’re losing two of our top 4.

They aren’t going to “prioritize a top tier TE in free agency”. What reason do we have to believe they will? Again, because Veach mentioned backup TE? He mentioned WR as well. You aren’t making any sense with this argument.
I’m not advocating for the prioritization of a WR (many more holes to prioritize)...Watkins barely plays (especially in 2020) and Robinson hasn’t been relevant since 9/15/2019.

The discussion (not argument LOL) is simply based around an opinion that KC may rather replace Watkins/Robinson’s production with a second threat at TE. The reason (other than Veach calling it out) is a lack of quality behind Kelce for seasons...since Harris (does he qualify as a threat??)

staylor26 03-08-2021 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 15576226)
I’m not advocating for the prioritization of a WR (many more holes to prioritize)...Watkins barely plays (especially in 2020) and Robinson hasn’t been relevant since 9/15/2019.

The discussion (not argument LOL) is simply based around an opinion that KC may rather replace Watkins/Robinson’s production with a second threat at TE. The reason (other than Veach calling it out) is a lack of quality behind Kelce for seasons...since Harris (does he qualify as a threat??)
Why do you keep ignoring that all Veach did was add backup TE, along with WR, to a list of needs?

You’re quite literally making something out of nothing, while also ignoring things that contradict your assessment.

Watkins barely playing and Robinson not being relevant doesn’t change the fact that they clearly want a WR2, hence why they went after Watkins in the first place AND re-signed him last year.

TRR 03-08-2021 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15576230)
Why do you keep ignoring that all Veach did was add backup TE, along with WR, to a list of needs?

You’re quite literally making something out of nothing, while also ignoring things that contradict your assessment.

Watkins barely playing and Robinson not being relevant doesn’t change the fact that they clearly want a WR2, hence why they went after Watkins in the first place AND re-signed him last year.
Have a good evening!

Chris Meck 03-08-2021 05:31 PM
I'm trying to remember what glaring deficiency Veach has ignored since he became GM.

2018's defense was shitty.

Enter Matthieu, Clark, Okafor, Ogbah, Breeland. Spags and that entire staff.

2019 LB play sketchy-draft Gay in round 2. Covid, no camp, slowed his development, but investment made.

2019 CB depth sketchy. Draft Sneed, sign Baker.

Now in 2021, we clearly have OL issues, need WR help, could use talent upgrades in a few other spots like TE2.

But somehow, people here want to act like they're just going to ignore the problems.

They're problems to be solved. Veach has directly addressed a weakness every year. Dude can walk and chew gum.

arrwheader 03-08-2021 06:22 PM
Have we signed 10 fatties yet and a WR number 2?

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staylor26 03-08-2021 06:28 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a> traded for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Titans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Titans</a> 1st round OT Isaiah Wilson, with a swap of picks completing the deal. A fresh start for Wilson.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1369081659711229967?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Franchise 03-08-2021 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15576316)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a> traded for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Titans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Titans</a> 1st round OT Isaiah Wilson, with a swap of picks completing the deal. A fresh start for Wilson.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1369081659711229967?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
A swap of 7ths.

Sassy Squatch 03-08-2021 06:45 PM
Wow. Putting a guy with his substance abuse issues in Miami? What could go wrong?!?

pugsnotdrugs19 03-08-2021 06:53 PM
He’s a fat sack of shit, not going to be worth a ****. But Miami got him for nothing.

Sassy Squatch 03-08-2021 06:58 PM
On second thought, maybe all the cocaine in Miami will help him with his laziness.

Chris Meck 03-08-2021 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15576360)
On second thought, maybe all the cocaine in Miami will help him with his laziness.
Probably drop a little weight anyway.

DaneMcCloud 03-08-2021 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15576355)
He’s a fat sack of shit, not going to be worth a ****. But Miami got him for nothing.
Brian Flores and Isaiah Wilson grew up in the same neighborhood and attended the same high school, albeit a few decades apart, but Flores thinks he can "get through to Wilson".

If he does, Wilson will be a steal and if he doesn't, who really cares at that price?

BossChief 03-08-2021 09:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15576197)
No, what Veach said was that we aren’t going to go out and sign a WR immediately in free agency (like we did with Watkins) because we don’t have the money to do that.

This was unsolicited, so if anything, I found it interesting that he specifically mentioned a WR. They aren’t going to go out and get a big fish there, but that kind of makes me think they want to get a guy in that tier 2/3 area which goes with what guys like Nate Taylor have said.

And if the PC is what you’re basing all of this on, he even said something about adding a WR in the draft.

They are adding a WR one way or the other, and they will probably do both.

The point is backup TE has no impact on them adding a WR.
Veach mentioned WR, CB and OT being the deepest position groups in the draft and I’m POSITIVE he has a couple “Sneeds” at WR he’s targeting that had great 2019s but lackluster 2020s due to specific circumstances.

I can’t wait to see who those guys are.

staylor26 03-08-2021 10:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15576570)
Veach mentioned WR, CB and OT being the deepest position groups in the draft and I’m POSITIVE he has a couple “Sneeds” at WR he’s targeting that had great 2019s but lackluster 2020s due to specific circumstances.

I can’t wait to see who those guys are.
Well I did nail the Sneed pick in my final mock last year, so here’s my prediction for that guy at WR this year:

Tammorian Terry, WR, FSU

BossChief 03-08-2021 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15576577)
Well I did nail the Sneed pick in my final mock last year, so here’s my prediction for that guy at WR this year:

Tammorian Terry, WR, FSU
What are your thoughts on Vera Tuckers poor bowl game?

Ever since we had the conversation about him, that’s his red flag game, to me.

staylor26 03-08-2021 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15576583)
What are your thoughts on Vera Tuckers poor bowl game?

Ever since we had the conversation about him, that’s his red flag game, to me.
It’s by far his worst game, but the guy that was giving him issues is Kayvon Thibodeaux who’s probably the best edge rusher in football and a future top 5 pick.

I think he can be a slightly above average LT, but his ideal position is G. I get the sense that he won’t go quite as high as people think because it seems like most of the experts feel the same way.

In58men 03-09-2021 08:14 AM
Patriots are not expected to use their franchise tag on OG Joe Thuney as they did last year, per sources. Thuney likely headed to the free-agent market.

In58men 03-09-2021 08:22 AM
If you're an NFL team looking for an offensive lineman in free agency, here's what Joe Thuney offers: he's 28, been an All-Pro guard who has also started games at center and played offensive tackle too.

He's been called for 3 total penalties over the past two seasons. Standout

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