Based on what? His ability to choke in big games early in his career? The complete lack of elite offensive players around him (if he were playing for the Patriots), especially at the WR spot, until 2007? His inability (if he were playing for the Pats) to played in domes 9 games per year (8 at home, plus one in Texas) plus another game in perfect-weather-360-days-a-year-or-your-money-back-Jacksonville to help pad his stats, instead of playing in crappy New England weather, plus games in Buffalo and New York?

When splooging over his stats, remember what he's had to work with, and the inherent advantages he's had in his situation.

Favre's not in any discussion about the GOAT. Not in my book at least.

yeah im sure tom wouldnt be able to do anything with scrubasses like wayne, harrison, clark or james...:rolleyes:

I love Vinatieri, don't get me wrong, but was he that clutch when he blew two completely make-able field goals in one of his Super Bowls? He's made some of hte toughest kicks ever, but don't pretend for a second that he hasn't blown some big kicks too.

How has Brady's offensive weapons stacked up against Manning's? At least prior to 2007?

And you obviously didn't see our crappy 2002 defense, or what we've had going on this year.

you're a joke man...you really are

even THIS site has closed the book on the Manning/Brady debate...

have you noticed that this thread has shifted from Brady/Manning to GOAT?

I've always based these threads off of Brady/Manning...

and people have finally figured out that Brady can't even sniff Manning's jock...

sorry dude...

It's over.

That's why all you're seeing is Montana now...people hate Manning on this site...but they can no longer chuck Brady's name out there because they realized how much of a fraud he really is when it comes to the GOAT talk...

This argument is dead.

Try to follow along.

Harrison retires.

Enter Garcon and Collie.

Suddenly both look like all-pro caliber receivers...

Hmm...

Wonder what the common denominator is?

...and he FINALLY shows.

all things being equal id still rather have brady. just mo
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I've made 50+ posts in this thread moron.

what has Brady done to make him a better QB than Manning?

Played on a better team his entire career that just so happened to cheat SO bad that the NFL had to destroy the evidence after seeing it to protect the integrity of the game?

Hmm...

Lets see...

The 2001 Patriots...14.5 point underdogs...hold a team that scores at will to 3 points through 3 quarters...

Yeah...

Tom Terrific had a lot to do with that game!

Here's the difference between the Colts and Patriots...

Peyton Manning pretty much has to WIN games for the Colts no matter what...he has to be clicking for that team to click...Tom just has to be there...he can be great, he can be good, he can be decent...it never really mattered.

I mean...in 2007 I said the team would have won 13 games with Cassel at QB...we got to see them win 11 the following year, then we get stuck with the scrub and give him $62M...

I mean...

That team made a lot of NFL teams want Matt freaking Cassel...

Yet people are STILL trying to say Tom Brady is one of the greatest ever?

Hahahaha...

how are you SO SURE that these guys are just streetrats? maybe its possible that theyre good. i know its a longshot, but its happened before.i bet you said the same thing about wayne when he had his first season.

ITS ALL MANNING :hail:

not to mention Peyton Manning officially has better postseason stats than Tom Brady now...

but Tom has more wins!

(Wonder why that is?)

If Joe Montana was a Saint for his entire career...how many Super Bowls would he have won?

If we want to go that route, what did peyton have to do with his lone championship?

throw a touchdown and watch the defense and running game go to work.

no but I have made the Kennison/Harrison argument for YEARS and was mocked...but then Garcon comes in and all of the sudden he looks an awful lot like an all-pro in the making?

Hmm...

But I bet it's just all Bill Polian.