So now the argument is that he shouldn't have brought in anyone to try to improve the team. I get it.

This whole post reeks of complete and utter nonsense

So why are you a Chiefs fan?

You don't like the owner
You don't like the GM
You don't like the Head Coach
You don't like the Assistant coaches
You don't like the players
You don't even live in KC

So why are you here? Why do you root for the Chiefs?

If you think the root of the problem is the owner, well guess what, that isn't going to change. And Scott Pioli had much better credentials than Eric DeCosta. Personally, i wanted DeCosta, but you can't fault Clark for going with Pioli. The Giants wanted Pioli. Is that Giants owner stupid too?

I mean really, if you think the root of the problem is Clark Hunt, then maybe you should find another team. Because by your logic, this team will never be good as long as Clark is the owner. Come back when either Clark dies or sells the team.

No, he should have tried to bring in good players. Not the garbage off the Pats, Cards, and Dolphins practice squads.

The argument should be this:

Why wasn't Todd Haley able to properly evaluate the existing talent on his roster from day one?

Why did it take 15 weeks of the regular season, four weeks of pre-season, and countless weeks of OTA & workouts to realize that his most talented receivers are Bowe, Bradley & Cottam?

Why did it take all this time to put the best offensive line on the field? Albert, Alleman, Niswanger, Smith & Richardson performed incredibly well together but it took 4 months to figure this out? Furthermore, why in the HELL was Richardson cut and stuck on the Practice Squad?

I don't have as many problems with the defensive side of the ball because they lack so much talent that I don't think there's a "gem" in hiding. But I do have issues with Vrabel over Studebaker and Brown over ANYONE.

Todd Haley is supposed to be an offensive mastermind, yet he can't determine his best skill position players or best offensive line unit until after he's been on the job for more than 10 months?

I think this is a problem going forward...

Maybe you should just go fist yourself

No I don't believe any of the WRs they signed were in the plans long term. But how does that excuse anything? They spent $63M on a QB, and knowingly gave him zero help. We all knew that the old castoffs they signed at WR were worthless. That's the point. They did nothing to help their new "Franchise" QB. And it was obvious to the whole ****ing world.

My question is WHY? Why wouldn't they bring in a legit WR when everyone knew what we had was shit? The same could be said for the OLine. There was no reason to stand pat at any position. We were already the least talented team. There's no benefit to bringing in players to "Just get by" till next season. None.

When you're starting at ground level like they were with this team, the only option you have is to build. Form a plan, and lay a foundation. Instead, they brought in a giant metal plate to cover the ground work for a year similar to MODOT's road fixing philosophy and ignored any actual building till next year. And somehow they convinced fans that this is all they could have possibly done this year.

We started the new regime with nothing. Now 80% through the season, and we still have nothing. Still waiting to get started. I'm willing to be patient with the building process if you can show me a single ****ing brick of the foundation was laid this year. As it stands, I'm still staring at that giant metal plate wondering what they could have done.

Finally, points we can agree upon.

I agree with everything you've said here. If this is a rebuild, I'm confused as to why Morgan, Studebaker, Charles (previously) weren't seeing more time. And I completely agree that Ryan/O'Connell over Cottam is a WTF of epic proportions.

That's wonderful. Great post.

Really though, if you hate this Franchise so much, why are you here? At least Mecca and Hamas have hope for the team and want to see them do well. You on the other hand just seem to be on the rag 24/7. You never have anything positive to say. You just bitch. you never have anything to say until the organization does something you don't like. And then you just bitch some more.

If you are a Chiefs fan, and you are so concerned about the Franchise, what do you suggest they do?

We Chiefs fans are holding out hope that this franchise can turn it back around. yes, bad decisions have been made, but there is hope that Pioli can fix this. He failed this year, but it doesn't mean he'll fail next year.

you have no hope for the team. You dont like anyone in the organization except for who? maybe D-Bowe? Maybe Flowers?

Seriously, for your own mental health, find another team that has an owner that you like. A Coach that you like. Because by your logic, this team is doomed till Clark sells it.

Im looking out for you dude. Find another team, it'll make you a happier person.

And please don't bother with the "If you hate this team so much... why...."

It's been said many times... I can criticize the team without hating them. Do you agree with everything your wife or children do? If you disagree, why not find a new wife and child. Well you don't, because that's just not the way it works.

LMAO

This HAS to be a joke

Again, are you joking? I've got about 10,000 posts suggesting what they should "do".

Read them.

He failed miserably this year. I see absolutely no indication that won't occur next year.

JFC, are you an n00b? In preseason, I was all over Darryl Harris and Colin Brown. Bowe, Cottam, Charles, Carr, Flowers, Dorsey, Albert, Morgan, Richardson, Leggett and Page ALL SHOULD BE the foundation in which the Chiefs build around.

Considering that many of them haven't seen the field as much as they should have this year, I have my doubts about Haley & Pioli's talent evaluations.

But quite honestly, I think you must have missed 95% of my posts this year.

Gee, thanks.


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That's kind of a bad comparison there.

Obviously we all have things to critique about this awful season. Some do it in a peacfull manner with out talking down to others. Some, at least have a positive outlook.

Im just keeping it real, calling it how i see it. Most are not happy with what is going on right now. Most of us know that Pioli and Haley have ****ed up. But, there are reasons to believe shit can and will get better.

Well, look at the quality of players that the Chiefs got on defense. I blame Pioli for that.

For example, Corey Mays, special teamer, always has been throughout his whole career. Im sure he knows how to play in a 3-4 but he is just not that good at it. Vrabel is pretty much on his last legs, but still a decent role player imo, who knows and understands how to play in a 3-4. And then lets not forget about a broken down injury riddled Mike Brown.

Its important to find players that can play in a scheme, and that are intellegent enough to learn. But also those players have to be good quality players that have the potential to ascend. The Chiefs didn't do that obviously. They got players who are on the decline. but Im sure they still know how to play in a 3-4. Vrabel is an example and nobody can deny that. The Chiefs didn't focus enough on quality.


They do have a good owner. Like I said to OTWP58, a bad owner is a reason why certain teams are bad. Ownership determines a lot whether a team is going to be either good or bad. I never ever questioned the Steelers ownership EVER! In fact I think Dan Rooney is one of the brightest minds in football, and he has an excellent team of architects, lieutenants, and captains to help build championship caliber football teams. But he is an example of what Im talking about, he has a good understanding and believes that if you stick with a plan and carry it out over time you'll succeed provided that you have the right people to help carry out your plan, that can transcend to success. Thats all Im saying. And that is factual. And it proved to work and it happened. How many coaches have the Steelers had throughout their franchise history? THREE! Thats it!

But thev're always had an excellent front office. Dick Haley, Todd Haleys dad, was a HUGE reason for that dynasty team built in 70's. Both he and Chuck Knoll worked great together and they did the exact same thing and found the right guys that were intellegent to fit into their philosophy and schemes. But they also had great chemistry. Thats what has to exist in a successful organization.

I have one question......

When Vrabel went down and Studebaker stepped in.....and had a lights out ****ing game.......

Why the **** did Vrabel immediately go back to his starting job? He's old and broken down and he's not helping this team out physically. Let Studebaker step into the starting role and see if he can repeat his performance. Vrabel is nothing more and should be nothing more than a part-time player right now. The same thing goes for Mike Brown.

I've said that for YEARS in this forum.

So, you have owners like the Mara's, Rooney's, Krafts, DeBartolo's and Jones' that have multiple Super Bowls.

Then you have a team that hasn't won but three playoff games in 40 years, a team that went 15 straight years without a playoff appearance and a team that has now gone 16 years straight without a playoff win.

If the Mara's, Rooney's Kraft's, et al are "good owners" what does that make the owner of a team that has been virtually winless in the post-season for 40 years?