You are correct Dane did. Got my assholes confused.

Seriously, why are you even posting here? Seriously.

Dick Vermeil ****ED this franchise like no other head coach before him.

He chased defensive tackles in each draft. Instead of drafting Drew Brees, he traded the #12 overall for Trent Green, a nice player that didn't last beyond five years. He traded away talent like Scott Fujita and again chased DT's. He wanted Tyler Brayton instead of LJ.

By the time Herm took over, he inherited not only an aging roster, but an old roster.

If you can't see the damage done by Vermeil, you'd better research and get back to us.

Herm made a bold step by cutting a ton of veterans and focusing on youth in 2008. It was a ballsy move and it was in the best interest of the team. It's not like he was trying to pretend the team was good.

For as much as people hate him, he made a move that was right for the team, even if it meant hurting his reputation. Hard to disrespect that.

Again, we go 2-14 because Vermiel ****ed the team. We go 4-12 1 year later and it is all Pioli's fault? Am I getting this straight?

You are defending going 2-16 because of Vermiel and then bitching because we went 4-12 1 ****ing year later?

We should have went 10-6 right? How fast should we have recovered genious?

JFC the double standard here is hilarious.

2-14 is fine because Vermiel ****ed Herm. 4-12 is unacceptable because we should have been what? 4-6 wins which is exactly what was predicted you ****ing assholes.

Fortunately, the dumbass is abundantly clear.

You are so ****ing stupid that it's not even worth discussing.

How many players are on the Chiefs roster from 2001-2005?

Marcellus....
You're completely ignoring the fact that the Chiefs went 2-14 in Herm's final season because he made the bold decision to slash the roster and force the team to start young.

Herm inherited a team where the previous administration left the roster in horrible shape, with little flexibility to make it better.

Haley inherited a team where the previous administration left the roster in clean shape. And those 4 wins Haley earned were based almost exclusively on players Herm brought in, not based on anything Pioli did to improve upon Herm's roster.

That's where the problem lies.

WTF does 2001 -2005 have to do with now? 9 years ago has what to do with Pioli? 9 years ago has what to do with 2-14?

You ask why I post here?

No I wasn't. I said I understood the change in direction. But we went 4-12 with with the same players basically playing a new defense, no offense, and having no contribution from the rookies.

I am just saying maybe they know what is going on.

Because the point is that Vermeil gave Herm nothing to work with.

They were all retired or moved on by 2008. The majority of Peterson's draft picks from 2001-2005 weren't just off the Chiefs' roster, they were out of the NFL.

The point being that Vermeil did a lousy job setting the table for Herm. He left him an old roster with no young talent and Carl made that worse by not giving Herm the flexibility to immediately start shaping that roster into a long-term vision.

Herm left Haley a young roster with some pretty decent young players with playing experience (due to Herm playing his young guys).

There is no way you can ignore that Herm left Haley in a considerably better situation than Vermeil left Herm with. How can you possibly argue with that?

He did win 2X as many games his rookie year right? Did I imagine that?

Hey Dumbshit: You're the one that complained about the Chiefs being 2-14 (of course, ignoring the 4-12 season before that). You're the one that's playing the fool here.

Look around the league: The DRAFT is the only way to build a Super Bowl contender, let alone a consistent winning team.

The Chiefs drafts were ****ing dogshit under Vermeil. He completely and totally ****ed this team.

And if you can't see that, you should cancel your Chiefsplanet account immediately because you're dumbassery is beyond reproach.

how many games did Vermiel win the first year?

And Herm went 4-12 the year before that with the ****ing shittiest roster ever assembled.

They were also 4-3 and leading the AFC West when LJ was injured and out for the year.

So please explain how Todd Haley, with 45 new roster additions, barely eeked his way to 4-12.

So, you're Mr. 8-8 I see.

Now it ALL makes sense.