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BossChief 03-13-2013 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496105)
Franchise QB's grow on trees?

Which trees?
The trees that grow in the first (and early second) round.

Not the "other teams backups" trees.

DaneMcCloud 03-13-2013 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9496110)
Big Difference Between this Dane and the dane of 3 years ago....
7-9, 2-14 and shitty drafts have basically set this team back to square one.

The Super Bowl is a pipe dream. A winning season, a playoff win - well maybe THEN the Chiefs can talk about a Super Bowl.

Ming the Merciless 03-13-2013 11:03 PM
1) Do you believe that QB is the most important position

If number one is yes:

2) Does Alex Smith help or harm our long term prospects of getting an Elite QB



if number 1 is no:



**** off ****

Ming the Merciless 03-13-2013 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496151)
7-9, 2-14 and shitty drafts have basically set this team back to square one.
Were were more at square 1 after 2008....

DaneMcCloud 03-13-2013 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496131)
That's a fatally flawed strategy.
I don't believe it's a flawed strategy when a team has had ten losing seasons out of the past fifteen and no playoff wins in 20 years.

The Chiefs are not in a position to just say "Super Bowl or Bust". They've lost the trust of the fans, the fans that fill the stadium, and if HUGE changes weren't made, they were looking at not only an empty stadium but blackouts.

This situation isn't just any simple ordinary situation. This franchise has basically been a gigantic cluster**** since 1971. Sure, the Marty years were "nice" but anything since then has been an illusion.

They're back to Square One, which is to try to put a team on the field that isn't embarrassing to the fans or the city.

It sucks but it is what it is.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-13-2013 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496151)
7-9, 2-14 and shitty drafts have basically set this team back to square one.

The Super Bowl is a pipe dream. A winning season, a playoff win - well maybe THEN the Chiefs can talk about a Super Bowl.
Who is suggesting that the team would win a SB next year or the year after?

Everyone realizes that it will take multiple years for this team to contend because there are holes on the roster that can't be fixed by 2nd and 3rd tier FAs.

We should be laying the foundation for the future of the team now, and that foundation comes from drafting and developing a QB. As he develops, you fill the holes. Once he's ready the team is as well.

They are parallel growth lines.

BossChief 03-13-2013 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496131)
That's a fatally flawed strategy.

When looking for a QB you need to ask yourself if the player is capable of leading a team to the SB. If he isn't, there is no reason to spend anything on acquiring him unless he's a backup.

Reid and Dorsey's job should be to win a Super Bowl. If they don't feel that there is a QB available in 2013 who can win a SB, that's an acceptable decision, but by committing to Alex Smith and constructing the rest of the team in the style they have, they've essentially said that there is no QB worth it in 2014 and possibly 2015.

It's a classic example of not being able to see the forest for the trees.

It will make the team better in 2013, but that's the equivalent of taking out a cash advance on a credit card to pay your mortgage every month.

I happen to think that Geno Smith can win a Super Bowl, but I understand that such a belief is not a consensus, so passing on him, although a poor decision in my mind, is defensible.

What isn't defensible is picking up a QB that I believe almost no one thinks can win a Super Bowl, because it makes acquiring a truly elite one more difficult.
You hit the mark.

They are betting their reputations and the fortunes of this team on the notion that the next two drafts don't have a franchise quarterback in them AT ALL.

We have to have hope that there are 3 teams that want to move up for Geno and that they believe the Jaguars will take him at 2...otherwise, our pick doesn't hold much weight.

DaneMcCloud 03-13-2013 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9496155)
Were were more at square 1 after 2008....
And I hated the Pioli and Haley hire more than any hire in the Chiefs history.

DaneMcCloud 03-13-2013 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496163)
Who is suggesting that the team would win a SB next year or the year after?

Everyone realizes that it will take multiple years for this team to contend because there are holes on the roster that can't be fixed by 2nd and 3rd tier FAs.

We should be laying the foundation for the future of the team now, and that foundation comes from drafting and developing a QB. As he develops, you fill the holes. Once he's ready the team is as well.

They are parallel growth lines.
The only problem is that with this draft, you're asking a fan base that's suffered through years of shit (and an outright rebellion in 2012) to suffer through more years because they want to "try" to develop a guy to lead them to the Super Bowl someday.

I'm sorry, but that's a lot to ask of the average fan. It's why Royals Stadium is continually empty and it's a bad strategy for the Chiefs in 2013.

Ming the Merciless 03-13-2013 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496166)
And I hated the ***** and Haley hire more than any hire in the Chiefs history.
I can't say I disagree....I liked what he did with the AZ offense, and had some hopes but in retrospect it was terrible

Rasputin 03-13-2013 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496151)
7-9, 2-14 and shitty drafts have basically set this team back to square one.

The Super Bowl is a pipe dream. A winning season, a playoff win - well maybe THEN the Chiefs can talk about a Super Bowl.
With a rooky QB take the lumps of growing with him first couple years and then the third year should be in the picture to win in the playoffs and who knows maybe we can become that dominate team of the decade and win some championships? With the retrash QBs we get from other teams unlikely we will get past a first round playoff game. Now we are going on 20 years past Joe Freaking Montana winning us a playoff game.

I am much butthurt we traded for yet another retread QB that isn't going win us shit in the post season. Alex Smith will be lucky to even make it through 16 games as fragile as he is.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-13-2013 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496161)
I don't believe it's a flawed strategy when a team has had ten losing seasons out of the past fifteen and no playoff wins in 20 years.

The Chiefs are not in a position to just say "Super Bowl or Bust". They've lost the trust of the fans, the fans that fill the stadium, and if HUGE changes weren't made, they were looking at not only an empty stadium but blackouts.

This situation isn't just any simple ordinary situation. This franchise has basically been a gigantic cluster**** since 1971. Sure, the Marty years were "nice" but anything since then has been an illusion.

They're back to Square One, which is to try to put a team on the field that isn't embarrassing to the fans or the city.

It sucks but it is what it is.
Super Bowl or Bust was the 2005 strategy.

If you have a young QB and you hit, you gradually improve. Even in the years you don't win a SB you are almost always competitive. That removes the embarrassment factor.

Look at the Colts with Manning, the Patriots with Brady, Packers with Rodgers, and so on.

The QB alone will make any team competitive if he's worth his salt. You don't have to hand out Daniel Snyder contracts; you can take a slow, measured approach and still improve markedly with a viable young signal caller: just like the Colts, Redskins, Seahawks, and Bengals have done.

DaneMcCloud 03-13-2013 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9496165)
You hit the mark.

They are betting their reputations and the fortunes of this team on the notion that the next two drafts don't have a franchise quarterback in them AT ALL.
I strongly disagree.

If the Chiefs suck ass this year and draft in the Top Ten, it'll most likely be because of quarterback play.

I hardly think that Reid and Dorsey feel that QB position is insignificant.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-13-2013 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496173)
The only problem is that with this draft, you're asking a fan base that's suffered through years of shit (and an outright rebellion in 2012) to suffer through more years because they want to "try" to develop a guy to lead them to the Super Bowl someday.

I'm sorry, but that's a lot to ask of the average fan. It's why Royals Stadium is continually empty and it's a bad strategy for the Chiefs in 2013.
Baseball prospects almost always take 3+ years from the day they are drafted to even make a ML debut. From there, it takes several years to reach an All-Star level for even incredibly talented players.

NFL teams can completely turn around a franchise in just three, with immediate turnarounds noticeable in the first year.

BossChief 03-13-2013 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496173)
The only problem is that with this draft, you're asking a fan base that's suffered through years of shit (and an outright rebellion in 2012) to suffer through more years because they want to "try" to develop a guy to lead them to the Super Bowl someday.

I'm sorry, but that's a lot to ask of the average fan. It's why Royals Stadium is continually empty and it's a bad strategy for the Chiefs in 2013.
Then why not go the Aaron Rodgers/Colin Kaepernick way and try to develop a guy while a veteran makes the team competitive in the short term?


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