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temper11 03-26-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10518077)
Good god.

Then they're shitty at their evaluation or the obviously messed up somewhere.

Then 80% (that's a guess) of NFL "talent evaluators" are shitty at their jobs because that pick didn't surprise anyone. It was going to be Fisher or Joekel (sp).

htismaqe 03-26-2014 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10518082)
Then 80% (that's a guess) of NFL "talent evaluators" are shitty at their jobs because that pick didn't surprise anyone. It was going to be Fisher or Joekel (sp).

And look who took Joeckel.

NFL front offices are notoriously conservative, that's why the pick didn't surprise anyone.

Just once, it would be nice to see the Chiefs do something BOLD instead of something safe...

htismaqe 03-26-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10518058)
How have I caught myself in a catch 22?

You've spent several days defending Dorsey and his approach.

If the rationale behind selecting Fisher is as you've described it, Dorsey isn't what you've been trying to say he is.

You can't have both, the two are mutually exclusive.

chiefzilla1501 03-26-2014 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10518075)
We now have evidence of him playing at the nfl level, against nfl level competition.

I dont like the pick. But he was clearly the best left tackle prospect in the draft. There are plenty of reasons why his play last year isn't representative of his capabilities.

temper11 03-26-2014 11:46 AM

We should see how good any of us are at making the number 1 pick. (I will be the first to say that I will completely suck at it as I don't watch a lot of College FB.) But I'll give it a shot. We should all pick who our 1.1 would be in this upcoming draft. At the end of the year, anyone who's number 1 selection isn't a pro-bowl player then they have to put the words "draft failure" on their avatar. Anyone who's pick does make it to the probowl would put up "draft god" over their avatar. Or some variation of those terms.

htismaqe 03-26-2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10518102)
I dont like the pick. But he was clearly the best left tackle prospect in the draft. There are plenty of reasons why his play last year isn't representative of his capabilities.

They had far more glaring needs than LT last year. Limiting the comparison to just LT is disingenuous. They could have literally had any player at any position. They took Fisher.

RunKC 03-26-2014 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10518068)
Was he the best player available? Evidence isn't proving that very well

There has been an extremely small sample size of evidence thus far...

htismaqe 03-26-2014 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10518112)
We should see how good any of us are at making the number 1 pick. (I will be the first to say that I will completely suck at it as I don't watch a lot of College FB.) But I'll give it a shot. We should all pick who our 1.1 would be in this upcoming draft. At the end of the year, anyone who's number 1 selection isn't a pro-bowl player then they have to put the words "draft failure" on their avatar. Anyone who's pick does make it to the probowl would put up "draft god" over their avatar. Or some variation of those terms.

Most of us that have been here a long time already have several good and bad picks over the years. All of us have been right on some and wrong on others, just like most of the GMs in the league.

BigMeatballDave 03-26-2014 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10518114)
They had far more glaring needs than LT last year. Limiting the comparison to just LT is disingenuous. They could have literally had any player at any position. They took Fisher.

It's also disingenuous to assume you know about a situation when you have zero intimate knowledge of the situation.

RunKC 03-26-2014 11:52 AM

The judgement of Fisher should begin this year. He'll have had a real offseason to get bigger and he will be playing at his natural position that he's learned for years.

RealSNR 03-26-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10518112)
We should see how good any of us are at making the number 1 pick. (I will be the first to say that I will completely suck at it as I don't watch a lot of College FB.) But I'll give it a shot. We should all pick who our 1.1 would be in this upcoming draft. At the end of the year, anyone who's number 1 selection isn't a pro-bowl player then they have to put the words "draft failure" on their avatar. Anyone who's pick does make it to the probowl would put up "draft god" over their avatar. Or some variation of those terms.

You're missing the point.

chiefzilla1501 03-26-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10518114)
They had far more glaring needs than LT last year. Limiting the comparison to just LT is disingenuous. They could have literally had any player at any position. They took Fisher.

Preaching to the wrong guy. I hate the pick. I wanted geno then and in hindsight wish it was Richardson . I am just saying if we took a left tackle, Fisher was the best option.

O.city 03-26-2014 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10518119)
There has been an extremely small sample size of evidence thus far...

What else do we have to go on, or what's more predictive?

Him at central michigan or at the senior bowl, or him week in week out against the best players

temper11 03-26-2014 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10518099)
You've spent several days defending Dorsey and his approach.

If the rationale behind selecting Fisher is as you've described it, Dorsey isn't what you've been trying to say he is.

You can't have both, the two are mutually exclusive.

I'm ok with the approach Dorsey and Reid are taking... yes. I think they did what they needed to do last year to put a competitive product on the field. And this year they are tyring to be smart in order to keep a competitive product on the field for the foreseeable future. I think it was widely believed that Fisher or Joeckel were the best available players and Dorsey picked one of them up to better strengthen his team. Because Fisher isn't all what we want him to be now, doesn't make my stance on Dorsey's direction for the team "mutually exclusive". So far, he's doing a pretty decent job.

O.city 03-26-2014 11:56 AM

So we took someone at first overall who wasn't physically ready to handle the nfl, and some people aren't upset with te pick?


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