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-King- 09-13-2021 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15830989)
Here's the touchdown - the 'quarterback view' is the best one to demonstrate it. Look at about the 36 second mark how he pivots his hips and sets his feet to turn upfield and deliver a blow before the ball gets there. It's brilliant stuff.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes. Kelce. The <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> take the lead! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a><br><br>��: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CLEvsKC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CLEvsKC</a> on CBS<br>��: NFL app <a href="https://t.co/OreaPoNQHU">pic.twitter.com/OreaPoNQHU</a></p>&mdash; NFL (@NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1437190795073765379?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now again, I'm not saying that Robinson needs to be this good at that sort of thing, but it demonstrates how important those little things can be (and how obscenely good Kelce is at it).
It just has to be a mental block. There's no way the coaches and teammates don't get on his ass in film study.

DJ's left nut 09-13-2021 03:12 PM
I could seriously watch that play all day. He is so friggen good. I didn't notice it in real time at all until I saw this video this morning. Very few people will ever ask themselves how the hell he got upfield that quickly because it just never occurs to them to do so. It seems easy to just turn and go.

But there aren't many, if any, TEs in football that get into the end zone on that play. It wasn't nearly as easy as it looked because most dudes take a straight shot after securing the catch from 55 and the 2 DBs clean it up before he gets in. It's just intuitive for him. He's so insanely good.

If you could get guys like Hardman and/or Robinson to think ahead of the game half as well as Kelce does, they'd be significantly better for it.

-King- 09-13-2021 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15831008)
I could seriously watch that play all day. He is so friggen good. I didn't notice it in real time at all until I saw this video this morning. Very few people will ever ask themselves how the hell he got upfield that quickly because it just never occurs to them to do so. It seems easy to just turn and go.

But there aren't many, if any, TEs in football that get into the end zone on that play. It wasn't nearly as easy as it looked because most dudes take a straight shot after securing the catch from 55 and the 2 DBs clean it up before he gets in. It's just intuitive for him. He's so insanely good.

If you could get guys like Hardman and/or Robinson to think ahead of the game half as well as Kelce does, they'd be significantly better for it.
Kelce became a master of moving in tight spaces after his concussion problems early. He changed the entire way he runs with the ball after the catch. He's way more methodical and purposeful now.

DJ's left nut 09-13-2021 03:15 PM
I also kinda wonder why Hardman didn't get a free lick in on Johnson there. He's lined up for a pretty good block and a chance to hit a DB but makes a business decision.

ThaVirus 09-13-2021 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15830989)
Here's the touchdown - the 'quarterback view' is the best one to demonstrate it. Look at about the 36 second mark how he pivots his hips and sets his feet to turn upfield and deliver a blow before the ball gets there. It's brilliant stuff.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes. Kelce. The <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> take the lead! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a><br><br>��: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CLEvsKC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CLEvsKC</a> on CBS<br>��: NFL app <a href="https://t.co/OreaPoNQHU">pic.twitter.com/OreaPoNQHU</a></p>&mdash; NFL (@NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1437190795073765379?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now again, I'm not saying that Robinson needs to be this good at that sort of thing, but it demonstrates how important those little things can be (and how obscenely good Kelce is at it).
Pretty normal for Kelce these days. He seems to always be setting up for RAC.

He bobbled a pass earlier in the game and it looked like it was because he was looking to run before he secured it.

flinchfree 09-13-2021 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15830698)
The whole time people were bitching about the #2 WR here, it was always gonna be this way.

Hill and Kelce suck up targets as they should.
That's cause they are the only ones getting open.
When Sammy was around he got open, and got targets, and made them count.
A really good 3rd receiver would make everyone on that team better AND happier.
You don't think Kelce and Hill would love defenders having to pay real attention to another option, thus making the game easier for them as well?

JakeF 09-13-2021 05:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15830989)
Here's the touchdown - the 'quarterback view' is the best one to demonstrate it. Look at about the 36 second mark how he pivots his hips and sets his feet to turn upfield and deliver a blow before the ball gets there. It's brilliant stuff.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes. Kelce. The <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> take the lead! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a><br><br>��: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CLEvsKC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CLEvsKC</a> on CBS<br>��: NFL app <a href="https://t.co/OreaPoNQHU">pic.twitter.com/OreaPoNQHU</a></p>&mdash; NFL (@NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1437190795073765379?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now again, I'm not saying that Robinson needs to be this good at that sort of thing, but it demonstrates how important those little things can be (and how obscenely good Kelce is at it).
17 is Hardman, Robinson is 11

Megatron96 09-13-2021 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15831003)
Is Hardman as good as a healthy Sammy Watkins?


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Not even close. But Watkins was a first round talent all the way. Not really a fair comparison. Watkins, if he ever could've stayed healthy, would probably be talked about now as just below the likes of Diggs/Hopkins etc.

Deberg_1990 09-13-2021 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15831221)
Not even close. But Watkins was a first round talent all the way. Not really a fair comparison. Watkins, if he ever could've stayed healthy, would probably be talked about now as just below the likes of Diggs/Hopkins etc.
Yep. That’s what’s always been so disappointing about Watkins with every team he’s been with. He’s as physically gifted as any WR in the NFL. But a chandelier.

staylor26 09-13-2021 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by flinchfree (Post 15831212)
That's cause they are the only ones getting open.
When Sammy was around he got open, and got targets, and made them count.
A really good 3rd receiver would make everyone on that team better AND happier.
You don't think Kelce and Hill would love defenders having to pay real attention to another option, thus making the game easier for them as well?
You are imagining things. Hardman was every bit as productive as Sammy. Sammy disappeared more often than not, outside of the playoffs.

-King- 09-13-2021 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15831282)
You are imagining things. Hardman was every bit as productive as Sammy. Sammy disappeared more often than not, outside of the playoffs.
LMAO if healthy he would have averaged 800 yards per season if you extrapolate his yards over 16 games. That's far from disappearing if when you have Kelce and Hill in front of you.

Sassy Squatch 09-13-2021 05:55 PM
"if healthy" yeah, that's the ****ing problem with Watkins.

Easy 6 09-13-2021 05:59 PM
I'd bet Sammy will look like a man on fire for Baltimore tonight

Ravens fans will swoon all over him, and then when they can least afford it... he'll come up gimpy

I've watched that movie several times

-King- 09-13-2021 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15831301)
"if healthy" yeah, that's the ****ing problem with Watkins.
Yep. He was the perfect #2 for us but God hated him.

staylor26 09-13-2021 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15831293)
LMAO if healthy he would have averaged 800 yards per season if you extrapolate his yards over 16 games. That's far from disappearing if when you have Kelce and Hill in front of you.
This is just bullshit.

Sammy’s best season was in 2019 when he had 673 yards and 3 TD’s on 90 targets.

Mecole’s best season was also 2019 when he had 538 yards and 6 TD’s on 41 targets.

Sure, Sammy didn’t play in 16 games that year (14), but even when he almost did, he wasn’t THAT much more productive than a rookie Hardman, despite more than double the amount of targets.


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