.

By the end of his rookie season, Berry's coverage issues were pretty nonexistent.

I want as many freaks of nature like Moss and Kearse on this team as possible. I mean look at all the Super Bowls they brought to the franchises that drafted them. :rolleyes:

I think most people felt he should be "awesome out of the gate", myself included.

Of course they are his problem. It's called "pressure".

It's pretty much a given that if a player is selected in the Top Ten of the first round, let alone #1 overall, the expectations are to start and kick ass from Day One.

I don't ****ing care if Fisher turns out to be great in 3 years.

If the justification for passing on other positions, especially QB is that he can hit the ground running, if he dosen't start producing at a hbigh level this season, then it's all bullshit excuses.

Don't give "potential" bullshit.
Give me ****ing results, right ****ing now.

He is going to hit the ground running. His forte is run blocking, he is going to be blocking for a top 3 back in the NFL with a guy who likes to hand the ball off. Hes a mauler. Why are people worried about Eric Fischer before even a pre season snap has been played, much less a regular one?

Just thinking if seeing Charles run behind that line gets me giddy. Hopefully Reid let's him do his thing.

So how are our other draft picks looking? Anyone impressing early?

He's not even the best safety from his own draft class.

TJ WARD!!!!!!

Kelce is looking amazing from what I have read. Kniles shows burst. Not sure about much else....

Agreed, but I consider the 'Gate' week 1, not the 1st week of TC.

I always thought Reid was criticized for not running enough? It will be interesting to see how much of a pass catcher Charles becomes this year.

I don't think we cut Winston who was/is a good run blocker to upgrade the rt spot with a better run blocker

The first depth chart is out... Can anyone post it?

Bray is listed as the 3rd QB. That's all I know right now.

Tyler Bray is listed as the 3rd QB on the #chiefs depth chart

@APdaveskretta: #Chiefs put out first depth chart. Starting OL is Albert, Allen, Hudson, Asamoah, Fisher. TE is Fasano. WRs Bowe, Baldwin. FB Sherman

Dexter McCluster listed as the starting kick off and punt returner. Wylie the backup at both spots. #chiefs

Updated: 08/03/2013 8:44AM ET
Pos No Player 1 No Player 2 No Player 3 No Player 4 No Player 5
Offense
LWR 82 Bowe, Dwayne 07/1 22 McCluster, Dexter 10/2 15 COPPER, TERRANCE U/Bal 84 Newsome, Jamar SF11 88 Hemingway, Junior 12/7
WR 85 Hammond, Frankie CF13 14 Shoemaker, Tyler SF13
RWR 89 Baldwin, Jonathan 11/1 17 Avery, Donnie U/Ind 19 Wylie, Devon 12/4 18 Bellamy, Josh CF12 83 Richardson, Rico CF13
LT 76 Albert, Branden 08/1 60 Baker, Steven SF13 68 Waldron, Dustin SF12 69 Watkins, Rokevious SUS/1
LG 74 Schwartz, Geoff U/Min 71 Allen, Jeff 12/2 67 Hawkins, AJ CF13
C 61 Hudson, Rodney 11/2 52 Kush, Eric 13/6 66 Draheim, Tommie SF13
RG 73 Asamoah, Jon 10/3 75 Durand, Ryan SF13
RT 72 Fisher, Eric 13/1 79 Stephenson, Donald 12/3 70 Reynolds, Matt W/Phi
TE 81 Moeaki, Tony 10/3 80 Fasano, Anthony U/Mia 87 Kelce, Travis 13/3 46 Brock, Kevin SF13 47 Harris, Demetrius CF13
QB 11 Smith, Alex T/SF 10 Daniel, Chase U/NO 12 Stanzi, Ricky 11/5 9 Bray, Tyler CF13
FB 42 Sherman, Anthony T/Arz 40 Wilson, Braden 13/6 44 Opurum, Toben CF13
RB 25 Charles, Jamaal 08/3 34 Davis, Knile 13/3 20 Draughn, Shaun SF11 32 Gray, Cyrus 12/6 45 Roberts, Jordan CF13
Defense
LDE 94 Jackson, Tyson 09/1 96 Dixon, Marcus SF13 53 Catapano, Mike 13/7 77 Madison, Brad CF13 92 Lane, Austen SF 13
NT 92 Poe, Dontari 12/1 98 Toribio, Anthony SF11 95 Powe, Jerrell 11/6
RDE 70 DeVito, Mike U/NYJ 97 Bailey, Allen 11/3 67 Lohr, Rob CF13 65 Chavis, Miguel SF13
LOLB 50 Houston, Justin 11/3 99 Jones, Edgar SF12 62 Martin, Josh CF13
LILB 56 Jordan, Akeem U/Phi 54 Diles, Zac U/Ten 52 Lemon, Orie SF13 66 Drakeford, Darin CF13
RILB 56 JOHNSON, DERRICK 05/1 57 Johnson, Nico 13/4 47 Kilgore, Chad SF13
ROLB 91 Hali, Tamba 06/1 51 Zombo, Frank SF13 60 Wilson, Ridge CF13
LCB 24 Flowers, Brandon 08/2 34 ROBINSON, DUNTA CC/Atl 30 Brown, Jalil 11/4 32 Black, Conroy SF13
SS 29 Berry, Eric 10/1 35 Demps, Quintin U/Hou 31 Hartman, Tysyn CF12 48 McDougald, Brad CF13
FS 23 Lewis, Kendrick 10/5 39 Abdullah, Husain SF13 42 Foster, Otha CF13 45 Castillo, Greg CF13 41 Bronson, Malcolm NFI/ACT
RCB 27 Smith, Sean U/Mia 38 Thorpe, Neiko CF12 23 Agnew, Vince SF12 49 McIlwain, Kamaal SF13 26 Commings, Sanders 13/5
Special Teams
P 2 COLQUITT, DUSTIN 05/3
PK 6 Succop, Ryan 09/7
LS 43 GAFFORD, THOMAS SF08
PR
KR 20 Draughn, Shaun SF11
Reserves
RES 59 Kelly, Colin IR

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/KC

@APdaveskretta: #Chiefs DL is Jackson, Poe, DeVito. LBs are Houston, Jordan, Johnson, Hali. CBs are Flowers, Smith. SS is Berry, FS is Lewis.

@APdaveskretta: Knile Davis No. 2 RB. Travis Kelce ahead of Tony Moeaki as No. 2 TE. Tyler Bray is No. 3 QB ahead of Ricky Stanzi. #Chiefs

This is wrong.

Again I ask who is expecting that?

Strawman arguments being built all over CP.

Dude, seriously?? Geno wasn't drafted until the 2nd ****ing round. Apparently 32 teams felt he was not worthy of a 1st round pick, let alone a #1 pick.

There is no strawman.

That is the exact bullshit we heard every ****ing day leading up to the draft.

If you say otherwise, your a lying sack of shit.

Someone please provide me a link to a post from a valid member of CP who expected Fisher to kick ass out the gate.

Provide that post or shut the **** up about acting like that was predicted.

You wont find it because it doesn't exist as far as I know. Fact is fisher was a gamble based on potential which has been stated.

To try to change the story now is ****ing stupid.

**** I didn't even want Fisher.

Horseshit. Complete Horseshit.

Prove it Milk, show me the post.

Keep backtracking TFM.

Don't give a rat's ass where he, or any QB, was drafted.

I argued that if you believed a QB's upside was great, but you thought he needed to sit for a year or 2, you take him anyway.

Don't ****ing tell me to give another position 3 years, when you were telling ne before that we needed that pick to produce right away as your argument against mine.

Double standards, mother****er.

Here is a quote from today Marcellus.

There were many prior to the draft
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Show me where a valid member of Cp expects Fisher to take 3 years to develop.

Show me.

I don't know what you're all in a huff about? We did draft a QB who has probably the most upside of the class and we didn't even waste a draft pick on him. And yes, he needs to sit a year or two.

**** is on this page even
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Don't have to prove a ****ing thing.

Everyone sasw it.
Everyone knows it.

You keep spinning.

Ok so that post set the standard?

I feel like I am caught in the middle as usual.

Dude shouldn't be expected to be All Pro day 1 but I dont expect he will take 3 years to mature.

He should be a solid starter day 1 and mature into an above average player at a MINIMUM.

Ok you shouldn't be bothered by burden of proof, just type.

Interesting depth chart.

Sick of the bullshitg.

And Tyler Bray?
UDFA.

I am not putting hope in a ****ing miracle.

I expect, as most people do I am sure, that Fisher is going to have some really good plays and some really, really bad plays this year. I don't think he will take 3 years to become "good" but I don't expect anyone outside of a rushback, HB, or WR to make a significant impact in year 1.

He wasn't undrafted because of his lack of talent. Not that I am aware of anyway.

Why is he any more a miracle than any QB in this crappy class?

Exactly. No QB was really a true #1. Bray was not going to start immediately and we all knew that regardless of where he went. Bray is also one of the most talented QB's of this class and I think we all know that as well.

I love you guys.

FYP

WTF is up with you, bundle of sticks rag?

1st round QBs and UDFAs always have even odds of panning out, totally.

Well, Geno wasn't a 1st round QB.......:hmmm:

I cant think of a single poster who wanted Fisher at #1. Not one single poster though I am sure they existed.

Nobody is arguing to back up their belief he was the absolute best pick, they are arguing that the criticism is ridiculous at this point.

The pick IS filling a huge need, just not the need some want.

Read your question.

Think about it.

The answer should come to you.

WTF is this incoherent bull crap? If this year was crappy then all years without Luck and RGIII et all are the same. GTFO.

Chiefs fans:

RTs are worth the #1 pick in the draft

UDFA QBs are just as likely as any other to become franchise QBs, no need for a high draft pick


did I miss anything?

ROFLLMAOROFLLMAOROFLLMAO nope! :clap:

Wait you asked for one post. I gave you one from today, in this thread.

Now you are asking if that post set the standard. Goalposts moving. I don't expect all pro day one. Its just a little disheartening to hear poor reports.

And then to hear excuses
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Reading.....scanning....thinking....configuring response....

Why is he any more a miracle than any QB in this crappy class?

What, ****tard?

Why do we have to compare this class to the Luck class? When was the last time a QB wasn't taking in the top 15 picks. Let's compare it to that class.

Haha

You tried to burn me earlier for stating that you guys basically have no expectations for THE FIRST OVERALL PICK IN THE DRAFT and here we are.

An above average player?

An offensive linemen taken first overall should have HOF potential.

A guy that will be the best at his position or at least top 3 or 4 and no ****ing way should he take 3 or 4 years to get there.

Blah blah blah...

It's not like an UDFA has never found success in the league and 1st rnd QBs always turn out to be franchise players.

Everyone knows why Bray wasn't drafted. The question is whether or no we have the coaching staff to correct it...

I guess you are right about the one post but seriously who is being unreasonable at this point?

Fisher may or may not be worth the 1.1 pick, fact is its way to early to make that call.

rename this place CirclePlanet.com


no matter where a thread starts it always comes around to end in the same place

Who said there should be no expectation? Please provide that post. Please show where I said it should take 3 or 4 years to get there.
You are trying to twist shit again.

Call me out then show the post to prove it.

Oh wait they dont exist.

Anyone else worried that Kendrick Lewis might start at FS again?

He's been the obvious starter all offseason.

And people think the D doesn't have holes. :rolleyes:

I am, I actually listed him as my surprise cut.

who has written him off at this point?
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Heard today he isn't having all that bad of a camp so far. There is comepetition to push him so he better bring his top game or he will find the pine.

He won't start week 1. The same can be said about Baldwin.

Who's pushing Lewis? Abdullah is in the tub

Look I'm not going down this road again. Plenty have, if you dont see the post its not isn't my fault.

Don't act like that shit doesn't exist.

Oh no Lewis is the starter there goes our playoff chances

Demps

Did anyone think we were getting a Shields with this pick from the get-go? Where was "elite" written all over Mr. Fisher at any point? If you're not drafting game-changers in the first, then what the **** are you doing? Did I miss the part of last season where we were a Championship team and could afford to spend a 1.1 on a future "investment" at RT/LT?

Unbelievable, this horseshit.

Demps? They mentioned like 2 guys...thought they said Demps was one. Honestly I don't remember who they said but there was more than one and they said they will push Lewis.

hell yes


next to QB, FS is probably the position to be most concerned about

QB and WR on offense

FS and MLB on defense

Cummings? Oh, wait...

@Jacobs71 1m

Putting together a real cool breakdown for our show this Tuesday on Eric Fisher.

If were getting to the QB FS won't matter

I'm hoping a decent wr shakes loose somewhere.

FS is definite a weakness

How is Joeckl doing?

Sorry I haven't had time to read around, but i suppose he would be a great comparison.

Barring a miracle, all we can do is hope that Lewis might possibly flourish in the new system.