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Great Expectations 01-14-2016 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12024347)
But this is where we diverge. I (and others) want to know why the BACKWARDS looking metrics, notably PyThag + BaseRuns, don't align either. Because we **know** what happened and we have decades of data points showing what the record should've been. Your factors are all incorporated into the backwards data. So why did we win 95?


All we have today is that we sequenced out of our minds and had the highest "clutch" score in MLB. There's no explanation for that.

Does having outstanding defense and cyborg relievers help our clutch? It certainly is a huge factor in allowing us to win close games as we are much more difficult to score runs against late in the game than our competition is.

Prison Bitch 01-14-2016 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12025422)
Does having outstanding defense and cyborg relievers help our clutch? It certainly is a huge factor in allowing us to win close games as we are much more difficult to score runs against late in the game than our competition is.

Yes, FG found a +2 game premium for elite bullpens. Defensive advanced metrics are quite new so not much data. The issue is the offense. Our hitting with RISP was off the charts this year. Our "clutch" score (which takes RISP as one factor) is the 50th best of the past 40 years. That's 96% percentile.


(Our 1985 team checks in at 41st best....:-)

chief4life 01-14-2016 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12024180)
9 and 15 last year with a 4.28 ERA. Also has a 3.98 career ERA.

I don't know if I want Ian Kennedy from those stats. But Moore knows what he is doing so I put my trust in whatever he decides!

Great Expectations 01-14-2016 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12025528)
Yes, FG found a +2 game premium for elite bullpens. Defensive advanced metrics are quite new so not much data. The issue is the offense. Our hitting with RISP was off the charts this year. Our "clutch" score (which takes RISP as one factor) is the 50th best of the past 40 years. That's 96% percentile.


(Our 1985 team checks in at 41st best....:-)

I wonder if our ability to not strike out plays into that.

The +2 game premium isn't enough for our bullpen; that is likely one of the formulas that contributes to the grossly low win prediction the last few years. Our bullpen was one of the best in history. Our defense is great too and I'm sure that is a large contributor as well.

Halfcan 01-14-2016 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chief4life (Post 12025872)
I don't know if I want Ian Kennedy from those stats. But Moore knows what he is doing so I put my trust in whatever he decides!

I am sure some of the HR hitters in our division would love to face him. He is one of those pitchers to pad your power numbers against.

Anyong Bluth 01-14-2016 05:21 PM

Absent some string of injuries, I can't fathom this team turning out only 78 wins.

Less wins than last year is plausible, but I think 10 would be about the max.

Anyong Bluth 01-14-2016 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12025994)
I wonder if our ability to not strike out plays into that.

The +2 game premium isn't enough for our bullpen; that is likely one of the formulas that contributes to the grossly low win prediction the last few years. Our bullpen was one of the best in history. Our defense is great too and I'm sure that is a large contributor as well.

A 2 game premium? Sure, I'll buy that number if we're talking about just the playoffs.

For the regular season, I'd give it just under 10%, or roughly the equivalent of about 16 games. I'd give our historic defense probably just under 5% / 8 games.

Does anyone think that the Royals bullpen and defensive play didn't have an impact on them winning in 24 out of all 162 games last season?

I watched about 90% of the games last year, and probably 96% of their games through August, so the predominant number of the games I didn't watch were early to mid September.

Chiefspants 01-14-2016 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12026367)
I am sure some of the HR hitters in our division would love to face him. He is one of those pitchers to pad your power numbers against.

This is also why opposing hitters loved Chris Young, right?

KevB 01-15-2016 07:58 AM

From Heyman on Twitter :

royals are said to be making progress on ian kennedy. talking are ongoing.

KevB 01-15-2016 08:01 AM

So GMDM may come out of the off season with Gordon, Young, Kennedy and Soria? That's solid.

WhawhaWhat 01-15-2016 08:14 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Louis coleman, KC settle at 725K</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/687997784910360577">January 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Saul Good 01-15-2016 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 12027557)
So GMDM may come out of the off season with Gordon, Young, Kennedy and Soria? That's solid.

That's a lot of money to spend for a team to still be stuck with Infante as the starting second baseman.

KevB 01-15-2016 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12027577)
That's a lot of money to spend for a team to still be stuck with Infante as the starting second baseman.

With backup options in Colon and Mondesi. Strike while the iron is hot.

nychief 01-15-2016 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12027577)
That's a lot of money to spend for a team to still be stuck with Infante as the starting second baseman.


Moore has already said he is not wed to Omar at 2nd... Colon is going to get a shot.

Lex Luthor 01-15-2016 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12027577)
That's a lot of money to spend for a team to still be stuck with Infante as the starting second baseman.

The 2015 Royals had the best record in the American League with Infante as the starting second baseman.

I think they'll be OK.

BigCatDaddy 01-15-2016 08:58 AM

Also could always make another deadline move if needed. He is still above avg defensively.

Mr. Laz 01-15-2016 09:45 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can confirm Dyson deal for $1.75M. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a></p>&mdash; Jeffrey Flanagan (@FlannyMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/FlannyMLB/status/688023081852518401">January 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Prison Bitch 01-15-2016 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 12027557)
So GMDM may come out of the off season with Gordon, Young, Kennedy and Soria? That's solid.

Steamer loves 2016 Kennedy:

11-11 3.90era. 182ip. 172k-58bb. 2.2war

I'd kill to plug that into the rotation this year.

Anyong Bluth 01-15-2016 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12027818)
Steamer loves 2016 Kennedy:

11-11 3.90era. 182ip. 172k-58bb. 2.2war

I'd kill to plug that into the rotation this year.

Agreed.

Print 'em
to the 'ship!

BigCatDaddy 01-15-2016 11:27 AM

Volquez, Medlen, Ventura, Kennedy, Duffy, Young, Almonte, maybe Zimmer. Not bad.

Great Expectations 01-15-2016 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12027843)
Volquez, Medlen, Ventura, Kennedy, Duffy, Young, Almonte, maybe Zimmer. Not bad.

Our defense, park, and bullpen turn that into an above average rotation. Put that rotation in Philly and it'd be awful.

BigCatDaddy 01-15-2016 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12027843)
Volquez, Medlen, Ventura, Kennedy, Duffy, Young, Almonte, maybe Zimmer. Not bad.

Forgot to throw Gee in the mix.

Any chance the Ming Wang might be a 1 inning bull pen piece?

duncan_idaho 01-15-2016 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12027818)
Steamer loves 2016 Kennedy:

11-11 3.90era. 182ip. 172k-58bb. 2.2war

I'd kill to plug that into the rotation this year.


I'll take the over on innings and under on the ERA.

It's a very nice fit. And my Jeff Francoeur-to-Royals-like obsession with Kennedy can finally be satisfied.

DeepSouth 01-15-2016 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12027979)
Forgot to throw Gee in the mix.

Any chance the Ming Wang might be a 1 inning bull pen piece?

I have hopes for Gee also. His story is kind of like Madson's. Madson, before injury was a damn good closer for the Phillys. In 2014, Gee was the Met's opening day starter. Then, injuries got him. If he's healthy, he could contribute.

I'm not as optimistic about Wang.

Mr. Laz 01-15-2016 01:36 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> sign LHP Danny Duffy and C <a href="https://twitter.com/drewbutera">@drewbutera</a> to contracts for 2016, avoiding arbitration with both players.</p>&mdash; Kansas City Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/status/688079184799764480">January 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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BigCatDaddy 01-15-2016 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12028013)
I'll take the over on innings and under on the ERA.

It's a very nice fit. And my Jeff Francoeur-to-Royals-like obsession with Kennedy can finally be satisfied.

Seems like he is very similar to what Santana was before coming to KC?

Fansy the Famous Bard 01-15-2016 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12028212)
Seems like he is very similar to what Santana was before coming to KC?

Ervin's peripherals were less sexy than Kennedy's. I think we just caught lightening in a bottle with ES. Kennedy, i think has a case of the Green-itus. Don't ask me where I get that, cause I don't have a source. I just look at his picture and think, "That dude smokes weed."

Prison Bitch 01-15-2016 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12028013)
I'll take the over on innings and under on the ERA.

It's a very nice fit. And my Jeff Francoeur-to-Royals-like obsession with Kennedy can finally be satisfied.

ZiPS likes him less....as a 161ip 160k-55bb 4.12era 0.9 zWAR.


But his signing would truly complete you, and put a nice bow on a whirlwind year in your household. :D

DeepSouth 01-15-2016 03:16 PM

This is too bad. I had high hopes for Adams;

The Yankees claimed former Royals outfielder Lane Adams off outright waivers. Adams was designated for assignment Jan. 7 to clear 40-man roster space for the return of left fielder Alex Gordon.

Saul Good 01-15-2016 03:23 PM

Yankees claiming Royals players off waivers...amazing.

RealSNR 01-15-2016 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12028170)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> sign LHP Danny Duffy and C <a href="https://twitter.com/drewbutera">@drewbutera</a> to contracts for 2016, avoiding arbitration with both players.</p>&mdash; Kansas City Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/status/688079184799764480">January 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Nice. I think Butera is a big one. It certainly takes the pressure off of having to use that AIDS**** catcher we got from the Cards

nychief 01-15-2016 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12028593)
Nice. I think Butera is a big one. It certainly takes the pressure off of having to use that AIDS**** catcher we got from the Cards

Tony Cruz is going to win the backup catcher position, prepare yourself.

penbrook 01-15-2016 04:20 PM

Without Butera drawing a walk in the World Series we wouldn't be here right now

RealSNR 01-15-2016 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 12028595)
Tony Cruz is going to win the backup catcher position, prepare yourself.

Because... why?

KCUnited 01-15-2016 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12028618)
Without Butera drawing a walk in the World Series we wouldn't be here right now

You mean the tie game in the DS.

Sure-Oz 01-15-2016 05:45 PM

@JeffPassan: All winter, KC balked at what team officials say Lorenzo Cain wanted: a six-year deal. Lack of long-term pact means likely gone after '17.

Chiefspants 01-15-2016 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 12028794)
@JeffPassan: All winter, KC balked at what team officials say Lorenzo Cain wanted: a six-year deal. Lack of long-term pact means likely gone after '17.

Gordon says the Royals have "no chance" of resigning him.

tk13 01-15-2016 06:08 PM

That may be a big reason why we re-signed Gordon.

On the flip side, Cain is going to be 32 his first year of FA. Giving him a $100+ million deal through his age 37 season is probably a way bigger risk than re-signing Gordon. I guess it depends on how injury prone he is these next two years... we'll see how the market plays out.

Sure-Oz 01-15-2016 07:11 PM

@jcrasnick: Lorenzo Cain will make $6.5M and $11M in the next two years. No club options. He'll be free agent after 2017 season. #royals

jimidollar 01-15-2016 07:53 PM

I'd hate to see Cain go. He's probably my favorite Royal. Love the way he plays defense.

Anyong Bluth 01-15-2016 08:17 PM

If Cain can get a 6 year deal when he hits FA, more power to him. I bet he gets max 4 unless it's structured team friendly, or his power hits the roof and you can slot him at right field. Still don't think that's likely.

lewdog 01-15-2016 09:36 PM

The Royals are doing what they can do to be competitive now, and not handicap us for years down the road. Can't say I am complaining about anything they are doing.

duncan_idaho 01-15-2016 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12028818)
That may be a big reason why we re-signed Gordon.

On the flip side, Cain is going to be 32 his first year of FA. Giving him a $100+ million deal through his age 37 season is probably a way bigger risk than re-signing Gordon. I guess it depends on how injury prone he is these next two years... we'll see how the market plays out.


Yeah. I've long thought that Cain was someone you control until FA, get what you can, and say goodbye to.

His game, even on offense, is so dependent on his legs, it seems very likely he will suffer a Carl Crawford-like fall once he starts to lose a step.

Wilson8 01-15-2016 11:06 PM

Interesting story and stats on Ian Kennedy - http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/still...w-ian-kennedy/

A few slices from the story...

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First off, Kennedy’s greatest strength is his above-average strikeout rate. He posted a 24.4% K rate last season, fractionally below his career-high 2014 mark.
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Kennedy is a clear fly-ball pitcher, posting a fly-ball rate percentile rank of 85 in 2015. This is not a new development, as his fly-ball percentile rank has been 76 or higher in five of his six qualifying seasons. On the plus side, a fly-ball tendency usually carries with it some free outs in the form of pop ups. For the sixth straight season, he had a higher-than-average pop-up rate, with a 60 percentile rank.
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What Kennedy has done since first sticking in a big league rotation in 2010 is stay healthy; he’s taken the ball every fifth day without fail. What he hasn’t done is accumulate significant value above replacement level outside of that 2011 campaign; he racked up 4.8 WAR in 2011, but only 9.3 WAR total in the other five seasons combined.
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Enter the Kansas City Royals, who play in one of the most spacious parks around, and deploy the best set of fly-catchers out there. Lorenzo Cain is as good as they get, Alex Gordon is unexpectedly back, and Jarrod Dyson is likely to log more time than ever in 2016. Kennedy’s pulled fly-ball percentage was actually in the bottom third of ERA qualifiers last season, so it stands to reason that he’ll be able to pitch to the large part of the park more often than most going forward. Imagine the effect on Kennedy’s tension level when he allows a well-struck fly ball or line drive, and realizes that Matt Kemp isn’t there to play it into a triple.

ChiefsCountry 01-15-2016 11:30 PM

You let Cain walk. Get his best WAR years and say bye.

Anyong Bluth 01-16-2016 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 12029206)
Interesting story and stats on Ian Kennedy - http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/still...w-ian-kennedy/

A few slices from the story...

Great post!

That last sentence is hilarious.

blake5676 01-16-2016 07:31 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ian kennedy, royals in agreement on $70M, 5-yr deal</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/688351171023470592">January 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Done deal.

Dante84 01-16-2016 07:34 AM

Thoughts on Kennedy?

blake5676 01-16-2016 07:38 AM

I like it because I think we had to have another arm with the question marks in the rotation and uncertainty about Zimmer/Almonte.

He's got decent peripherals. Should play up in our park and with our defense. Dude can log the innings and has been relatively injury free his entire career.

So with all that being said, in today's free agency it's hard to HATE a deal that only pays a SP $14m/year. Has some upside to be a great contract but will likely be hard for it to be a terrible one.

KC_Connection 01-16-2016 07:38 AM

Kennedy is a great fit for KC but I did not expect him to get that much after that mediocre year in San Diego. The pitching market is out of control.

KevB 01-16-2016 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12029580)
Kennedy is a great fit for KC but I did not expect him to get that much after that mediocre year in San Diego. The pitching market is out of control.

Especially also giving up a draft pick. Got a year more than I thought, but still less than Leake and Smard.

blake5676 01-16-2016 07:46 AM

Apparently the deal has an opt-out after year 2. Will be interesting to see the year by year numbers breakdown.

KC_Connection 01-16-2016 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 12029582)
Especially also giving up a draft pick. Got a year more than I thought, but still less than Leake and Smard.

I was thinking something like 4/56 at most, yeah. Durability has its value, though. It's why the Jays keep paying Dickey something like 14M a season to throw his 200 mediocre innings.

duncan_idaho 01-16-2016 07:49 AM

I am complete.

Kennedy is a nice fit for KC in terms of park, as a flyball pitcher, and Eiland has worked with him a lot. He was very good from June on last year and is durable.

Strengths: good changeup, misses a lot of bats. Improve his breaking ball last year and increased swing and misses from it, too. Actually kind of a lite version of James Shields in terms of stuff. He has been durable and is a fiery competitor.

He did give up a lot of HR last year, especially on the first pitch. But that seems more like an anomaly than anything.

Put him in front of this defense, in this park, and I think you like the results.

This also will help bridge the gap in those post-2017 years. You're now looking to have ventura and Kennedy in the rotation through 2020.

KC_Connection 01-16-2016 07:52 AM

The Os just handed out 7/161M to Davis in what can only be considered to be the new version of the Ryan Howard contract. How long before they regret that one? Three years? Less?

duncan_idaho 01-16-2016 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12029588)
I was thinking something like 4/56 at most, yeah. Durability has its value, though. It's why the Jays keep paying Dickey something like 14M a season to throw his 200 mediocre innings.


When JA Happ is getting $12 million a year, $14 million for Kennedy seems like a bargain (Id seen some suggest Kennedy would be its high as $17 million/year).

He's got more than mediocre upside and a pretty stable floor.

KC_Connection 01-16-2016 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12029591)
When JA Happ is getting $12 million a year, $14 million for Kennedy seems like a bargain (Id seen some suggest Kennedy would be its high as $17 million/year).

He's got more than mediocre upside and a pretty stable floor.

It's not the salary that surprised me here, but the years. And I think I'd take Happ at 3 years over Kennedy at 5 years. Don't think there's too much difference between them in quality really (other than Happ coming off the much better 2015: 3.61 ERA/3.41 FIP vs. 4.28 ERA/4.51 FIP).

Unsmooth-Moment 01-16-2016 07:58 AM

*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***
 
Spending some coin lately. This is our last major move right? Anything else would be spring training invite or something most likely?

KevB 01-16-2016 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12029593)
It's not the salary that surprised me here, but the years. And I think I'd take Happ at 3 years over Kennedy at 5 years. Don't think there's too much difference between them in quality really (other than Happ coming off the much better 2015: 3.61 ERA/3.41 FIP vs. 4.28 ERA/4.51 FIP).

Sounds like there's an opt out after 2, so that mitigates some of the risk. That's of course assuming it's the Royals option to opt out.

KevB 01-16-2016 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment (Post 12029596)
Spending some coin lately. This is our last major move right? Anything else would be spring training invite or something most likely?

Anything else would be bargain bin shopping, like Chris Young last year.

Sure-Oz 01-16-2016 08:13 AM

Like the signing as well...pitching def costs

mr. tegu 01-16-2016 08:19 AM

I am going to need more space on my wall after next season

Kidd Lex 01-16-2016 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment (Post 12029596)
Spending some coin lately. This is our last major move right? Anything else would be spring training invite or something most likely?

I'd guess we will see a GMDM special here or there. He's known to take a flier on a reclamation project or two after free agency is nearly dead. Value signings.

Sure-Oz 01-16-2016 08:24 AM

I assume Fister or Lee are not on that flyers board. Who realistically is out there that they would sign. I like the Kennedy signing...our def will help alot

okcchief 01-16-2016 08:27 AM

Very nice. I felt like we needed one more solid pitcher. Good offseason.

Pablo 01-16-2016 08:31 AM

You guys cool with making another WS run? Does that sound OK to everyone?

ChiTown 01-16-2016 08:36 AM

i just love the fact that our Management recognizes that we still have an opportunity to go for it and repeat in 2016. This makes me happy

Bufkin 01-16-2016 08:37 AM

2 biggest contracts in franchise history within a week of each other. Is it too soon to start the "repeat" chant?

C3HIEF3S 01-16-2016 08:38 AM

Funny that this place has been talking about getting Kennedy for like three years now. I like the signing a lot.

duncan_idaho 01-16-2016 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12029593)
It's not the salary that surprised me here, but the years. And I think I'd take Happ at 3 years over Kennedy at 5 years. Don't think there's too much difference between them in quality really (other than Happ coming off the much better 2015: 3.61 ERA/3.41 FIP vs. 4.28 ERA/4.51 FIP).


There's perhaps less risk with Happ, but he also is a guy who cashed in on one good half season, the best performance by far of his career. Don't believe he's ever finished a full season with an ERA under 4 over the rest of his career... And isn't he 33?

Not a shot at him, just that even guys with warts are getting a lot of years and dollars.

Over the past five years, Kennedy has been the better pitcher overall and been more durable and reliable. Combine that with being younger, and that's where separation comes in.

Bufkin 01-16-2016 08:42 AM

Kennedy's 2011 was flat out filthy. It's too bad that it was most certainly an anomaly. Even still, the dude can eat up innings like nobody else. I'm thrilled about these last couple of weeks.

KC_Connection 01-16-2016 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12029652)
There's perhaps less risk with Happ, but he also is a guy who cashed in on one good half season, the best performance by far of his career. Don't believe he's ever finished a full season with an ERA under 4 over the rest of his career... And isn't he 33?

Not a shot at him, just that even guys with warts are getting a lot of years and dollars.

Oh, I don't like Happ as a pitcher much at all (remember, I got a firsthand look at the guy for years before his "awakening" in Pittsburgh last year). Didn't like the 3/36 when I first heard about it either and I don't buy that he'll repeat his 2015 again. But I'd still take his brand of mediocrity for 3 years over Kennedy's slightly better brand over 5. The 5th year really seems a bit excessive.

duncan_idaho 01-16-2016 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 12029661)
Kennedy's 2011 was flat out filthy. It's too bad that it was most certainly an anomaly. Even still, the dude can eat up innings like nobody else. I'm thrilled about these last couple of weeks.


One of the reasons I've been littering these threads with love letters to him is that he never has pitched for a team set up to accentuate his strengths and cover his weaknesses like KC can.

He'll make at least 2/3 of his starts in stadiums that are good for flyball pitchers (KC, Minnesota, Detroit) and will have an elite OF defense.

His previous situations were a high altitude bandbox and a team with an absolutely awful OF defense.

That, and the Royals could have gotten him from the Diamondbacks two years ago for the equivalent of Aaron Crow and Buddy Baumann...

siberian khatru 01-16-2016 08:49 AM

Have always liked Kennedy, don't like 5 years. But I'll complain about that after the window closes in 2017. He makes us better for the next 2 years.

ChiTown 01-16-2016 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12029672)
Have always liked Kennedy, don't like 5 years. But I'll complain about that after the window closes in 2017. He makes us better for the next 2 years.

Yep. I think we will like this deal for the next 2 years and then scratch our heads after that. Guess what, who cares? We are going for it while we can. And THAT is awesome!

Sure-Oz 01-16-2016 08:52 AM

Rany freaking out about after 2 yrs esp if Kennedy gets hurt. Says he is probably gone after 2 if he's good

Saul Good 01-16-2016 08:53 AM

5 years doesn't worry me. $14m 5 years from now will be #5 starter money.

Sure-Oz 01-16-2016 08:55 AM

@FlannyMLB: And #Royals aren't done yet. May still add another cost-efficient starter and/or bullpen help.

Bufkin 01-16-2016 08:57 AM

Rany's 5 tweets on the signing combined:

"Don't be fooled: It's not a 5-year deal. It's a 2-year deal with a 3-year player option. If he's good, he's gone in 2018 like everyone else. But if he hurts his shoulder in the first two years, we're on the hook for 5 years. That's a LOT of risk for a pretty modest upside. As a general rule of thumb, when the player option is LONGER than the guaranteed portion of the contract, the risk exceeds the reward. For the money they've spent on Ian Kennedy and Joakim Soria, the Royals could have signed Jordan Zimmermann, and avoided the opt-out. Hmmm. I think Ian Kennedy is a better pitcher than he's shown the last 3 years. But over the last 3 years, he's been BELOW-REPLACEMENT LEVEL."

ChiTown 01-16-2016 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 12029688)
@FlannyMLB: And #Royals aren't done yet. May still add another cost-efficient starter and/or bullpen help.

That's interesting. Who else is still out there that fits that category?


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