Run that same offense with DJ and get our superior interior running game back too. In a way that RPO is similar to play action.

Based on that tape alone I don't see why you'd sit him for Thuney.

Honestly watching that film I thought Kingsley looked pretty damn good at LG. He doesn’t have to kick step as much (which I think is his biggest weakness). Maybe we have something with him at guard?

He's probably your starting RG next year would be my guess.

Oh no! He was totally WRECKED, he was TERRIBLE, he was unbelievably BAD and clearly not anywhere near being in football shape! Maybe not even better than Kingsley, who is the WORST NFL LT GUARDIAN HAS EVER SEEN.

If Hump's biggest issue is conditioning as the game goes on, but he's decent when in the first half...

Is it a terrible strategy to have him start the first half, and slide Thuney in for the second half if/when (before) he starts to drop off?

I know a mid-game shuffle is normally not ideal and typically done out of desperation after poor performance or injury.

But if that's the gameplan all along, and everyone is ready/on the same page, could that be a net-positive? Essentially a LT by committee approach.

You are the living embodiment of Dunning-Kruger. With a healthy dose of asshole mixed in.

I think this is the correct analysis. As soon as he got the hamstring injury Humphries was a long shot for the playoffs.

Maybe he does ultimately offer the higher ceiling, but he really hasn't shown that, and probably never could once he lost that time. I just don't think they can bank on his past form to reappear. I'd be amazed if they don't go with Thuney.

Plus side, maybe he is a more affordable option next year now, with a full offseason and a chance for us to give him a fair chance to learn the offense and build some chemistry with the OL, maybe we'll see that higher ceiling yet.

Everybody is talking about how this affects Mahomes and the passing game, but I wonder how much it changes our ability to run the football. Thuney is a beast at LG. Putting him at LT and somebody else at guard has to hurt the Chiefs running game, right??

So, in watching that tape DJ looked halfway decent, and all these comments about them having to change the offense for Thuney make you think they want to go with Humphries. I really wonder if they have a plan as of now, or if they are still figuring things out. They didn't exactly put anyone in a position to succeed yesterday, so you have to think they aren't overly concerned or excited over what they saw and weren't going to put much stock in the film that came out of it because of the situation.

Maybe they've already seen enough in practice and the film room to know he's the guy. Obviously, if you really want to put the best group out there, it's going to include him, at least on paper. I hope he's up for this, because this isn't the Arizona Cardinals anymore. I know he's used to big games in college, but this is an entirely different beast.

I was thinking about this too. He's got 12 more days to be ready for a huge game. I would never think that's enough time to be 100% in football shape but he could be better than he is now. When he has his wind, we saw that he's far better than anyone else at LT, including Thuney. Can he last an entire game in 12 days? Reid isn't one to fumble around with unknowns in a game but it seems like it would be beneficial to at least try and then move Thuney over if the wheels start coming off. You know you're getting better play for at least part of the game at two positions. That also puts him one step closer to lasting the next game. I honestly don't see how it hurts us more than it doesn't.

He's got 12 days, then a regular week, then an extra week before the Super Bowl.

It's not crazy. I do think his only issue is conditioning.

That tape isn’t too bad.

You know they’re gonna have 3-4 really tough practice days with pads between now and game day. Let him work and I think you may come out ahead.

If Mahomes and the offense don’t continue to operate as they have the past two games, it won’t matter who is in that spot. They found a groove that kept those defenses on their heels more and they have to continue to attack in that manner.

We will be fine either there way.

It sure would be nice to see this offense at full, full strength in the playoffs.

I think I might watch the All 22 tonight if I get bored enough.

I dunno man, I really don't think what he's shown is better than what we've seen from Thuney. Sure his Pro Bowl years would be incomparably better, bet that's not what he's shown, and we really don't know he can deliver that.

I just struggle to see how you can start a guy with that little time over a winning team and an OL that has worked UNLESS he really shows out. The wheels didn't start coming off with Thuney, surely he gets the nod to start there.

I don’t understand how the offensive performance with Morris and Kingsley didn’t/doesn’t necessitate the scheme changes. It’s difficult to argue with a one loss record (I won’t count yesterday), but one has to wander what our offense would have accomplished if those two got the help that Thuney has received.

My personal opinion is that our team is so good that they actually use much of the regular season as a giant warmup. That's not to say they're out there trying to actively lose games, but they take the regular season to give guys a chance to grow into roles and accept a few bumps along the way. When we get toward the end of the season, they give up on some of those experiments and start focusing on what works (scheme changes) so that we're ready to roll in the postseason.

Maybe that's a naive take and they've been trying their hardest all along, but there's no question that we've had plenty of times when we've looked like shit in the regular season these last few years only to turn it on when we get to January.

He absolutely stoned Bonitto that entire first half last night. I don't think I can agree that he didn't look much better than Thuney. When the wheels came off, now that's a different thing. But man, if you get that an entire game then you're winning easy. Reid will do what's right though, I trust that.

This.

I think we're all...(well, MOST of us) are saying variations of the same thing.

I think the TEAM would love Humphries to be at LT. But if he's looking shaky in practice over the next few weeks, then yeah, they won't risk it.

The game tape doesn't look nearly as bad as some would have you believe.

I don't think the gameplan was for Wince to hold the ball for 5 seconds every play. But he was sure gonna try!

He's ****ing terrible.

Anyway, Andy'll do what he thinks is best, and I won't squeal about it either way.

But my feeling is that if Humphries is anywhere near 100%, they'll be rolling with him. AND still aiming to get the ball out quick. Because that is smart, regardless.

That very well could be, and I’d so, so be it. As I said, it’s difficult to complain about a one loss season - well, for some of us it’s difficult anyway.

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I think we will be fine either way also. Worst case scenario is having to switch at some point in the game if DJ isn't holding up.

Yeah that's my bad.

I'm not used to PFF yet and just figured where it said position is where the player played.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/658f0316...8571e55eb7.pnj

Hey moron, that's not all the plays in case you weren't paying attention.

F'n clown dick

This thread has been a great read today, its been trench warfare lol

I'll save all my told you so's for two weeks from now... and then I'm gonna say TOLD YA SO

I just want what's best for the team in the playoffs. I thought DJ had some success in the first half, but got worked in the second half.. Patrick will get the ball out quick so maybe he can hold up. I just don t trust him like I do Thuney...
If Andy does.. well I guess I will too.. We probably won't know who will start till a couple of days before the gm when it leaks out.. You know Andy will play it coy and not tell us anything..

IS EVERYTHING OK AT HOME HOSS

NO!/Guardian, probably

Are there breakdowns of Caliendo statistically that I have missed? If the Chiefs end up going with Humphries in his not yet optimal conditional, certainly it's because they think

Humphries/Thuney >Thuney/Caliendo.

They aren't just going to look at Humphries vs Thuney.

With the requisite caveats about PFF...

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/mike...testNewsWidget

Thanks

I think Humphries starts at LT in the playoffs -- and we will make a switch if he plays poorly. With competent LT play and Thuney at RG and the weapons we now have on offense, I am guessing we don't plan on having to rely on defense winning games this post season.

From a fan perspective, the Denver game didn’t change anyone’s opinion. Those who went into the game saying stick with Thuney because he hasn’t given up a sack, the offense has been its best the last few weeks, don’t mess with what’s working… want to start Thuney. Those who were leaning towards Humphries are saying he was good in the first half, the scheme hurt him, he has two weeks to get into shape…

This is very reminiscent of the “did KC sign Taylor to play LT or RT” argument 2 years ago.

I'll hold you to it, bud. Best of luck to ya.

I think the calculation might be what is the safest option at LT, first and foremost. Which is why I think Thuney starts, irrespective of the better combination or which has the highest ceiling.

I disagree. Starting Humphries and then having to go to Thuney will bring a "panic mode" to the team during the game, not ideal.

Humphries was beat every way imaginable in the 2nd half on Sunday. He'll be sitting out the playoffs!

It will be interesting what Andy does.

I had been in the start Thuney at LT camp before the Denver game, but now I am on the fence. I thought Hump played most snaps very well and also had some horrible snaps. Yet, it looked like he may have shown he can hold the left edge if he can eliminate the whiffs. I would hope Andy can scheme to address that.

There are just too many variables that none of us aware to know who will get nod…

Thuney plays LG

I’m just glad Donovan Smith isn’t an option and people have finally STFU about that overrated turd

My guess is it will Be Thuney at LT in the playoffs. They are going to want to go with what worked during their most successful period in the season. Thuney at LT and Caliendo at LG.

Yes, I know. Not sure how I typed that up, but thanks.

When is the last time you saw this team panic over anything, let alone a position swap?

I’ve decided that I think they’re for sure gonna try to put Humphries back out there in the divisional.

I mean if they were willing to put Donovan Smith back on the field after not playing for over a month (and not looking very good during the games he did play prior), then I don’t see why they wouldn’t at least take a stab at the higher ceiling outcome which involves Hump.

If he does suck out loud during the first half, you go back to Thuney. Easy peasy. But I don’t think he will. Especially not during these home playoff games where traditionally our OL plays their best. He will be able to time the snap count better and communicate with Joe and the offense clearly.

Humphries got to knock the rust off and I think he'll start with Thuney back at LG. This gives the Chiefs the best possible line IMO especially if they protect DJ like they did Thuney.

I don't remember where I read it, but it spoke to how Thuney plays LT.

He doesn't really get back. He works with what he has which is technique and hands - it ain't length. So he can't be as deliberate as you'd like him to be.

So it was suggested that the reason Mahomes was getting the ball out so quickly and the drops were so short was that Thuney simply doesn't like getting back to a 'catch point' and receiving the rusher -- he prefers attack the rusher and that makes the drop point for Mahomes shorter because if he goes back 7 or 5 steps, it makes it too easy for rushers to just go around Thuney.

Humphries doesn't do that. Look at some of those reps vs. Bonitto -- he doesn't look like a guard playing OT -- he LOOKS like an OT. He gets back, he gets set, he forms a pocket. As opposed to Thuney who attacks and holds on for dear life.

Yeah, I think I'm trending towards Pugs as well here - I think they'll try Humphries because he just has a skill set and way of playing the position that Thuney doesn't.

Is it smart? Maybe not - why **** with the quick passing game when it was working? But to a previous point (Maybe 'maqes?) -- if it ISN'T working in a game and Thuney is your LT, you really can't flip to a 5-7 step game and a downfield attack. Thuney can't really give you that. And you can't flip from Thuney to Humphries in-game, IMO.

Whereas if you start with Humphries and he's not holding up to the downfield stuff, you CAN dial in the quick game again and probably won't even have to take DJ off the field. And if you do, it's easier to take him down and move Thuney out to LT than vice versa.

I think the flexibility offered by starting Humphries is great enough that it's a risk worth taking.

Regardless, I'm betting we won't have any idea what they're going to do until game day. I have to imagine they'll see it as a strategic advantage to not tip their hand about the plan until the last minute. Should be interesting.

Good points DJ. When we lost rice, we weren't throwing those quick hits as often but with Hollywood back, we have done more of that. I would hope that no matter what they do with the line, they keep using those quick hitters.

Humphries was getting manhandled!!!! He wasn't trying to form a pocket. We're getting too analytical here.

Well this is just wrong.

So maybe you ought try getting a little more analytical.

The clips are out there if you want to look at them. He most assuredly was not 'getting manhandled'. But if people buy you books and you just eat the pages, there's not a hell of a lot I can do to dissuade you from it.

Carry on...

I watched tape from the playoffs last year and I didn’t see anything Donovan was doing any better than DJ (with subs).

I suspect they had good reasons for signing this guy over D Smith. Health is my only concern for DJ.

Like DJ mentioned above Humphries plays like a tackle. Thuney plays like a guard, admirably, but still limited.

This is why Thuney is so so good. It’s the same reason Mitchell Schwartz was so good. Thuney loses slowly. You aren’t winning very often against him if you go hands-to-hands against him. He’s gonna beat you up front.

It’s the exact opposite of Kingsley, who has 99th percentile size, strength and agility. You saw Kingsley get dog walked so much bc he can’t use his hands well.

Alex Highsmith tried everything against Thuney and none of it worked. He tried to bull rush him and Thuney stood him up. He tried to use his hands and it didn’t work. He even tried to fly around the corner and Thuney was ready for it.

That’s what I like about Thuney. He isn’t easy to beat. You’re not gonna beat him quickly very often. The only time I saw it was against Myles Garrett which was completely understandable.

That extra second that Thuney provided is vital. That’s why I’d consider a conversation for him being the LT next year. He’s wen way better than Humphries so far from what I’ve seen

So now we've gone from using Thuney as the emergency LT in the playoffs to starting him as the permanent LT next season?

This place might as well be flooded with Bengals fans. That's delusional.

Yeah, Thuney was good in spot duty, but you've gotta play a certain way with him at LT. They don't wanna do that.

It'll be Humphreys for better or worse.

Yep.

While it probably won’t happen next year, Thuney at LT could save us a lot of bank

Gatorarm LT pay is still LT pay

Yeah that's silly as hell.

If they move him to LT, he's going to want more money. LTs get paid. JFC

I can't believe this is even a conversation. It's like people don't actually watch the games.

Still would be far less than paying a guy like Cam Robinson, who some want to pay here

Also, Thuney>>>Morris/Kingsley and probably a rusty DJ

I see this thread is experimenting with crazy today.

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All you have to do is watch Thuney play. He's not a LT and he doesn't play like one.

We all better hope DJ can get it done because teams will know how to beat Thuney.

We don’t have any good tackles. Whatever tackle we trot out there is going to beat.

It took us about 15 games for the line to finally look adequate, and it was when Thuney was moved to tackle.

I'm in the Humphries to start camp. no one in the league has seen this team with DJ, Thuney, Creed, Smith, Taylor, Hopkins, Brown, Worthy, Pacheco, Hunt.

They're preparing in the abstract

WTF does that have to do with next season?

The problem isn't fixed. They covered it with duct tape and putty by putting Thuney at LT. That's it. It's a bandaid. And they completely covered his faults with play calling.

In the playoffs, teams will have an answer for that. You need more than adequate in the playoffs.

Humphries just isn’t in shape and that scares me. I’d love to have him back next year to have a fair go of it, but at what price?

Thuney has been far better than people give him credit for. And yes the get rid of the ball quickly. We’ve been doing that all year to protect every LT that has played.

But our options are extremely limited. It’s Thuney, Humphries, overpaying Cam Robinson (who was awful in Detroit) or a Mahomes like trade up for a lottery ticket.

So what’s it gonna be fellas? Say what you will but I’m very confident that Thuney is not gonna get baptized and ruin games like Wanya or Kingsley have.

The only concerning game Thuney had was against Cleveland and Myles Garrett.

The Chiefs aren't starting Humphries. LMAO

This is what makes me nervous about Humphries. He’s played 7 quarters of football. He isn’t in game shape.

Teams are gonna look at the Denver tape and see him gassed by the 4th quarter and put their speed rusher on him like Denver did with Bonitto.

From what I saw DJ wasn’t bad in the 4th quarter. He was just exhausted.

Here we go with the scared bullshit again. Nothing - NOTHING - is scary for this team.

Bullshit. Texans and Steelers came at us with everything they had.

If the primary issue with Humphries is stamina and not being fully in game shape, then I don't know why we just don't have a few drives where we spell Humphreys and run Thuney out at LT.

The 2 teams that are falling ass backwards into the playoffs?

Yeah, that's a terrible idea.

You put a guy at LT with arms as short as Thuney and it will limit your drop backs for an entire season and teams WILL figure out how to exploit him.

They may be able to figure it out in the post-season.

Thuney isn't a long-term solution at LT at all. Credit for doing yeoman's work in a pinch, but you can't put him out there as a genuine plan.

It was also when Mahomes had the shortest pop times of his entire career.

Again, that works as a changeup but I don't think you can build an entire offensive scheme around it.

I mean I guess Brady did it, but he also had peak Gronk and Hernandez at the time. We won't.

We've spent 2 years preparing for an offense built around our WRs. We'd be essentially scrapping that.

We have not been doing that all year. That's demonstrably false.

One thing is for sure: I would rather start Thuney all year in 2025 than pay $15+ million for Cam ****ing Robinson, and I was in that guys corner.

I’m done with that guy. He’s gonna want his money and I pray to God Veach doesn’t do give it to him bc that guy isn’t gonna help

If he's not in game shape, they won't play him. Obviously considering his snap count in the Denver game, they don't agree with you.

And that was his first game. And he did "ok". But it was Myles Garrett.

What happened with Cam Robinson? Hasn't he been really good for the Vikings?

Cam Robinson has only played for Jacksonville and Minnesota...