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Mr. Plow 02-21-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9422517)
There is plenty to bitch about without calling out Ellis...

Our Free throw shooting is laughable and our perimeter defense is ran by the Iraqi Defense minister...

But to bitch about Ellis is pure garbage...


FT shooting is one thing to bitch about - but how is a defense that forced OSU into shooting 4-21 (19%) from 3 point & 21-64 (32%) from 2 point bad?

Reerun_KC 02-21-2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 9422534)
FT shooting is one thing to bitch about - but how is a defense that forced OSU into shooting 4-21 (19%) from 3 point & 21-64 (32%) from 2 point bad?

Both teams shot poorly... But all season long just like the OU game. They had guys wide open everywhere...

Just the way it is with Kansas.

Bearcat 02-21-2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 9422534)
FT shooting is one thing to bitch about - but how is a defense that forced OSU into shooting 4-21 (19%) from 3 point & 21-64 (32%) from 2 point bad?

Hey, we're not talking about stats here. WATCH THE GAME!


I really need an agenda to push... a few people are really into the PG situation, there's the Ellis thing, Laz and Reerun apparently watching a different team or something..... does anyone want to argue about Jamari Traylor? Because, well, I could come up with some very strong opinions about him or something, and then shove it in your face later.

Braincase 02-21-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9422288)
So did Kansas really just win a game in which they made one field goal total in two overtime periods?

Won it at the free throw line, and put two of their starters on the bench fouled out in the process. Beautiful.

Mr. Laz 02-21-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 9422561)
Hey, we're not talking about stats here. WATCH THE GAME!


I really need an agenda to push... a few people are really into the PG situation, there's the Ellis thing, Laz and Reerun apparently watching a different team or something..... does anyone want to argue about Jamari Traylor? Because, well, I could come up with some very strong opinions about him or something, and then shove it in your face later.

WTF

What did i say about the last game that was 'off'?


never mind ... anytime somebody needs a name to bitch about they use mind.

It's what all the cool kids do.

O.city 02-21-2013 12:12 PM

The reason teams have guys open at the 3 line so much against KU, is because thats where they run their offense. It can't be run in the lane because defensively, KU is too good in the paint with Withey.


Teams run alot of Euro principles against KU and screen and roll trying to get everyone out of the paint and running around screens.

Seems Self and co. just say "well, we're staying in the middle and make you make shots to beat us while we defend best we can out there

Bearcat 02-21-2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9422559)
Both teams shot poorly... But all season long just like the OU game. They had guys wide open everywhere...

Just the way it is with Kansas.

They had a nice stat in last night's game... KU has a +15 point differential in the paint this season, and it was +18 vs OSU, and IIRC, that was maybe halfway through the 2nd half. So, would you rather give up 15 more points in the paint and not have the #1 FG% defense in the country, or give up a few open looks beyond the arc?

(Maybe KCC could do some kenpom magic and see where that ranks... if they showed it, I missed it.)

DJay23 02-21-2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9422350)
main thing that worries me about Ellis is how 'low' he plays.

he may be able to jump but most of the time he plays well below the rim.



should play higher ... also must learn to use his left hand

That's a good point. He has shown he can get up for rebounds and blocks, but doesn't use it on his shot. I hope we see the same transformation in him that we saw with the Morris twins. Remember we wondered whether they could even dunk!

Reerun_KC 02-21-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 9422561)
Hey, we're not talking about stats here. WATCH THE GAME!


I really need an agenda to push... a few people are really into the PG situation, there's the Ellis thing, Laz and Reerun apparently watching a different team or something..... does anyone want to argue about Jamari Traylor? Because, well, I could come up with some very strong opinions about him or something, and then shove it in your face later.

Rainbows and Unicorns for Bearcat.... :D

DJay23 02-21-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 9422585)
They had a nice stat in last night's game... KU has a +15 point differential in the paint this season, and it was +18 vs OSU, and IIRC, that was maybe halfway through the 2nd half. So, would you rather give up 15 more points in the paint and not have the #1 FG% defense in the country, or give up a few open looks beyond the arc?

(Maybe KCC could do some kenpom magic and see where that ranks... if they showed it, I missed it.)

Some people just aren't getting it. Bill Self has said it before. They help inside to prevent the easy basket and run out on the perimeter. Would you rather stop a 50% shot or a 35% shot first? It seems to work pretty well judging my KU's efficiency ratings. The whining about "perimeter defense sucks" is getting pretty old.

Mr. Laz 02-21-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJay23 (Post 9422587)
That's a good point. He has shown he can get up for rebounds and blocks, but doesn't use it on his shot. I hope we see the same transformation in him that we saw with the Morris twins. Remember we wondered whether they could even dunk!

I think that's a key issue.

If he starts playing higher and using his left hand he won't get so many shots rejected. He's having to do all sorts of crap to avoid getting his shocks blocked and it's messing him up.

Reerun_KC 02-21-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJay23 (Post 9422609)
Some people just aren't getting it. Bill Self has said it before. They help inside to prevent the easy basket and run out on the perimeter. Would you rather stop a 50% shot or a 35% shot first? It seems to work pretty well judging my KU's efficiency ratings. The whining about "perimeter defense sucks" is getting pretty old.

So is listening to you guys whine about Ellis also....

Reerun_KC 02-21-2013 12:23 PM

Wait, I thought Self and his wife were divorcing....

Why was she at the game last night? Can any MU or KSU fan confirm why she was there?

saphojunkie 02-21-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9421854)
LOL I would actually hope he reaches that potential....sadly

You are being really stupid regarding Ellis. Really, really, really stupid.

Reerun_KC 02-21-2013 12:29 PM

The Self Shuffle at the end of the first OT was awesome...

I am watching both OTs for lunch...


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