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lewdog 12-12-2023 02:30 PM

I’m ready.

LUGO!!!!

poolboy 12-12-2023 02:47 PM

its pronounced Lewgo

DJ's left nut 12-12-2023 03:33 PM

Lugo's not a bad get.

He'll pitch better than some guys who are gonna make more than him over the next few years. You're buying 34 through 36 and that's up there a little, but he's a guy who should age okay. Not a lot of miles on his arm, good spin rates, good command.

I think y'all had to pay a bit of a 'rebuilding team' premium to get him; I figured he'd be looking at 2/$25-28 but hell, if he's decent the extra year won't hurt you.

TomBarndtsTwin 12-12-2023 03:51 PM

Well, at least they're making an effort. More than we can say the past few years.

Hopefully they're serious about adding one more quality starter. Don't see it being Stroman or Giolito but who knows? Maybe they'll surprise us for once.

A rotation of Ragan, either of the above, Singer, Lugo and maybe Zack back on a one year deal? Not great, but not terrible. At least competitive and gives you chance to win most nights.

And for Gods sake, makes Jordan Lyles expendable (yes, I realize he'll probably still end up in the rotation this year due to his contract and 'innings eater' :facepalm:)

jerryaldini 12-12-2023 04:32 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Zack Greinke&#39;s representatives have communicated to <a href="https://twitter.com/MLB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLB</a> teams that he&#39;s preparing to pitch in 2024 and is open to contract talks. <br><br>Greinke, 40, went 2-15 with a 5.06 ERA this year over 142 1/3 innings. <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBNetwork</a></p>&mdash; Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1734657341184942561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 12-12-2023 04:36 PM

I'm actually kinda curious what Greinke could do in relief for a season or two.

Guy has less stamina than a 14 yr old virgin; asking him to throw 5 innings is just asking too much at this point.

But I'll bet in relief he could get back up to 92/93 mph and still throw enough weird junk up there to get outs for 60 innings.

jerryaldini 12-12-2023 04:38 PM

Lugo is a legit starter if he doesn't fall off the age cliff. The kind of gamble they need to take, and if he's a reliever in year 3, so be it. Welcome back Will Smith, nice get!

Now need one more starter. Sherm must be feeling the stadium motivation.

Ocotillo 12-12-2023 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 17276950)
Don't see it being Stroman or Giolito but who knows? Maybe they'll surprise us for once.

I think Giolito will be looking for a one-year prove it deal because he could cash in like Kevin Gausman/Robbie Ray/Carlos Rodon did with a big year.

I think a team like the Dodgers would be more appealing to Giolito but the Royals have a great sell, too. Kauffman Stadium and the defense behind him is the type of environment for him to put together a career year.

The White Sox did him no favors with their porous defense last year.

ChiefsCountry 12-12-2023 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 17276950)
Well, at least they're making an effort. More than we can say the past few years.

Hopefully they're serious about adding one more quality starter. Don't see it being Stroman or Giolito but who knows? Maybe they'll surprise us for once.

A rotation of Ragan, either of the above, Singer, Lugo and maybe Zack back on a one year deal? Not great, but not terrible. At least competitive and gives you chance to win most nights.

And for Gods sake, makes Jordan Lyles expendable (yes, I realize he'll probably still end up in the rotation this year due to his contract and 'innings eater' :facepalm:)

Lyles as a 5th starter is doable. Hopefully Lynch gets healthy and finally shows up to knock him out of that role. I think Lyles combined used as the second guy when they use in the bullpen games would be ideal.

DJ's left nut 12-12-2023 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17277058)
I think Giolito will be looking for a one-year prove it deal because he could cash in like Kevin Gausman/Robbie Ray/Carlos Rodon did with a big year.

I think a team like the Dodgers would be more appealing to Giolito but the Royals have a great sell, too. Kauffman Stadium and the defense behind him is the type of environment for him to put together a career year.

The White Sox did him no favors with their porous defense last year.

What about the Angels and Guardians? Dude gave up 20 homers in 60 innings for those two squads and neither of them play in launching pads. He also put up a 1.5 WHIP for them. He was actually substantially better for Chicago than anyone else last season; his ERA was actually far lower than his FIP in Chicago.

No, the Chicago defense wasn't the problem.

Giolito was just a bag of smashed assholes last season. Truly, truly awful. And he was awful in 2022 as well.

It's more likely than not that he simply isn't very good.

BWillie 12-12-2023 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17274207)
More smoke on pitchers. But Flaherty can get ****ed with an AIDs covered dildo
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Royals are indeed interested in Marcus Stroman, as <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JonHeyman</a> reported, but Kansas City is casting a wide net in its search for pitching. Per sources, the Royals have also had discussions with Lucas Giolito, Michael Wacha and Jack Flaherty.</p>&mdash; Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) <a href="https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1734251512203800669?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Loool yeah right. Stfu Royals. U arent signing any of these guys unless its Flaherty

Mecca 12-12-2023 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17277068)
Lyles as a 5th starter is doable. Hopefully Lynch gets healthy and finally shows up to knock him out of that role. I think Lyles combined used as the second guy when they use in the bullpen games would be ideal.


With the amount of arm issues Lynch has had I'd think he's probably a reliever now.

Ocotillo 12-12-2023 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17277069)
What about the Angels and Guardians? Dude gave up 20 homers in 60 innings for those two squads and neither of them play in launching pads. He also put up a 1.5 WHIP for them. He was actually substantially better for Chicago than anyone else last season; his ERA was actually far lower than his FIP in Chicago.

No, the Chicago defense wasn't the problem.

Giolito was just a bag of smashed assholes last season. Truly, truly awful. And he was awful in 2022 as well.

It's more likely than not that he simply isn't very good.

He's definitely on the decline, it may not be reversible, but when I see a 25.7% strikeout percentage, there's still something to work with. He's not that far removed from Cy Young-level pedigree with elite secondaries, namely the changeup.

That's why I am saying he needs to be selective on his next team to restore his stock. The Royals situation is most than just defense and ballpark. Brian Sweeney and the Royals pitching lab did good work last year with Cole Ragans, James McArthur.

He needs to go to a team like the Dodgers, Rays that are on the forefront of pitch development and maximizing sequencing.

And maybe the White Sox defense didn't hurt him as much when he's giving up two HR/9, but they were still bad enough where Chris Getz is adding total zeroes on offense like Paul De Jong at SS, Nicky Lopez at 2B and Max Stassi at C.

Al Bundy 12-12-2023 09:44 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Padres made an attempt to keep Seth Lugo, who signed a three-year, $45 million deal with the Royals. Per sources, San Diego actually offered Lugo a four-year deal, but for a lower guarantee than he received from Kansas City.</p>&mdash; Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) <a href="https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1734778798590005725?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ocotillo 12-13-2023 04:51 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Really neat idea.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Royals</a> prospects will face <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Brewers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Brewers</a> prospects in a 7-inning exhibition on Sun. March 17th in Surprise at 3:05p CT, paired with a regular MLB ST game in a doubleheader. <a href="https://t.co/Beu7oXwpYN">https://t.co/Beu7oXwpYN</a></p>&mdash; Jake Eisenberg (@JakeEisenberg_) <a href="https://twitter.com/JakeEisenberg_/status/1735065986007450079?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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