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And you can't say "rookie head coach that will learn" or "talent depleted roster". |
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Yes, Pioli and Haley have ****ed up royaly. I agree, the choice to cut Pollard was a dumb move. I agree that Cottam should have been starting the whole time. But how much of that is on Pioli vs Haley? I blame Haley for those moves. Pioli failed to bring in decent vets. Yes, we are all aware of that. But, lets say he brings in some good vets this offseason. Let's say our ILB's and Ron Edwards, and a few of our O-linemen are moved to second/third string and some quality players are brought in to start. Then would you say we have decent depth? IMHO, Pioli brought in the Depth/special teamers this past offseason knowing, at worst, they could be soild depth/special teams contributers next season. He hoped to get some starters out of this project. Maybe we did find some starters, maybe we didn't. i don't know if i agree with this plan or not, but, he now knows what he has. for sure. Maybe he is adding the core first, and then adding the stars second. Either way, im willing to give him more then 14 games to determine wether or not Pioli is a failure. Haley on the other hand, gets a much smaller window. |
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If, if, if. That's all I see in your post. Conjecture. When Pioli & Haley deserve credit, I'll credit them. When they don't, I won't. Bottom line. |
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Who did he fail at doing his job with in KC is my question. Jimmy Wilkerson was only coached by TK for 2006+2007 and its not his fault they had to dedicate the majority of the playing time at de to Jared Allen and their new first round DP LDE, Tamba Hali, those two were the producers. CP should have re-signed him and penciled him in as the starter after he traded JA. Tanks improvement year to year here should be credited to his coaching. Dorsey has been playing out of position since the day he got here, but look at the progress he made from last year to this one and then pat TK on the back and give him credit for it. He should have been a collosal bust as a 5-tec, on paper, I bet 90% of all bbs would have concluded that if polled on it. You should see dramatic improvement in TJs play next year if my assumption is correct (this is of course if our, hopefuly new, dc doesnt want to bring in all his own assistants) Shit lets look back at the job he did with one of the better players he was given in Buffalo and how he did without him, shall we? Aaron Schobels sacks 2004 8 2005 12 2006 14 <-----this was his last year coached by TK 2007 6.5 2008 1 2009 7 Seems he fell of after TK left to me, whats it look like to you? I honestly cant comment on the other prospects he was given there as I would be talking out of my arse and I try not to do that. I would fairly say that there really aren't any players that he missed the boat on in KC, so far, as far as getting them to improve their play each year they were under his coaching, can you? (by you, I mean anybody on the forum, not trying to call you out, I value your opinion more than others here to be honest) Quote:
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Coach Slap Dick is now being defended on this forum. LMAO.
Last year, he was working with nothing but first day talent on the D-line, and he managed to achieve records with this group. This year, he has yet another 1st rounder, and we've consistently been getting gashed. Yes, the LBs and secondary have to shoulder responsibility, too, but to claim that we've seen jack shit out of Slap Dick is amazing. |
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I guess I may have missed your point there. Im always game to learn a new trick, back your comment with something I can get behind. I love the Rooneys and know they are great owners but I guess I dont fully understand why you feel that way. About every single difference maker they have was drafted by them, right or wrong? |
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1. The continued improvement of our CB's. If we could add an Eric Berry to that mix and get Page healthy again, that's a pretty damn good secondary. 2. Hali has been a good surprise. Is he a Pro Bowler? No. But we can win with him. He went from being a bust last season, to a player we can with this season. 3. We have found some decent depth at LB. None of our ILB's are starters. But, Belcher and Mays provide decent depth. Studebaker looks like a solid OLB in the making, but he gets pushed around at the LOS. Maybe another offseason to build some bulk and work on technique will help with that. If we can add a starter from the draft and a decent starter F/A this offseason, we could be looking at a strong LB unit. 4. Haley's scheme looks pretty damn good. The execution and his game management, not so much. BUT, you can start to see what he wants to do with the offense. Now, he needs some better players and they need more practice, and we may be seeing the offense begin to blossom. 5. We have found a great back in Charles. I know, i know, he didn't start right away. But it's not like he wasn't getting used. Haley was looking for ways to get him the ball. LJ was a 2-down back with JC coming in at 3rd down. And to JC's credit, he has been getting better each week. But, so has our O-Line. 6. Our O-Line. They are starting to gel. They look like they understand there assignments. The start of the season, they didn't even know who they were suppose to block. They look like they know now. Albert continues to grow. I see a solid LT that is quick enough to run trap plays and screens. And you know that is what Haley wants to do. Maybe the reason why we didn't see a guy Like Richardson early, is because he wasn't ready. Callaghan and Ndukwe are young O-linemen that got in early. So, Haley is willing to play young O-linemen. 7. Chris Chambers. Now we have a vertical threat. Add a Golden Tate or someone with a like skill set to that mix....Now we have a soild WR core There are things to be excited about. There are some positives. Pioli has a great track record for finding F/A's. That shit doesn't just disappear overnight. As long as they don't out think themselves in the Draft (tyson Jackson) Pioli will be alright. IF our GM has it together, then wins will come. We have some pieces in place. Shit is starting to take mold. We can all go on for days about what they did wrong, but why? |
Haley is not going to get fired. All we can do is hope he can take a step back in
the offseason and realize his approach has failed monumentally and make some coaching changes starting with Clancy and his failed scheme. The dam broke last Sunday after we were starting to really have our defense exposed against Buffalo. Posted via Mobile Device |
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flame away, buddy. |
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If he were starting, then people would find ways to bitch about him too. He didn't look any better out there than Vrabel, but at least Vrabel can read the "O" Now, im excited about Studebaker, don't get me wrong. I have hopes for him and i do think he is a good young talent. But he has not been that great. And Richardson got destroyed at RT in the preseason. It was obvious he had a long ways to go. |
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Tell me why this talented coach got so little out of so much last year. 4 day-one picks, and they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Please defend this. |
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2. Hali is NO surprise: He is what he's ALWAYS been: An average pass rusher and completely useless against the run. 3. Haley's a completely bumble**** when it comes to evaluating the offensive line. Rudy Niswanger? Are you ****ing kidding me? Wade Smith is 10x the center as Niswanger. Play Nsukwe out of position at Right Tackle was a good thing? Starting O'C over Richardson was a good thing? JFC. 4. Chris Chambers is 31 years old and he'll be 32 to start the season. Who knows if he'll chose to return but firstly, he's not a long term solution and secondly, the wheels could fall off at any second. Plus, he's got a serious domestic situation to deal with. I don't see anything here that you've stated that makes me believe that Todd Haley is a competent coach worthy of returning. |
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The "reason" that the Steelers are successful and have been successful for half a century is due to the ownership. Don't you understand that? They've had several GM's and only three coaches since the 70's. They're not successful because they've stuck with those coaches, they're successful because success starts from the top. The Rooneys have hired the right people for four decades. That isn't an accident. |
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