It has nothing to do with winning or losing.

It has to do with what Cassel did in the game, which was a bunch of bullshit that people are now praising.

Which is exactly what happened in the last preseason game last year when he was 15 of 17.

That is correct, the only playoff team to do that was the 49ers.

Orton moves the ball and he's a god. Cassel moves the ball and people go back to 2009. Got it.

By the way he had two more passes over 15 yards.

And sorry, that's not what coogs is arguing.

Orton moved the ball because he threw the ball down the field.

Interestingly enough, the only good drive we had with Cassel in that game, the only TD we scored? He threw the ball down the field.

Funny how that works.

He threw three passes over 15 yards for the whole game.

They all came on the same drive.

We scored a TD on that drive.

More of that, not that dink and dunk bullshit, thanks.

Maybe. And maybe if the full game is played out with starters we comeback and win with Cassel throwing the ball more than we run it. That has happened before.

Bottom line is though, chances are when we throw it more than we run it, we are going to lose.

Clay is onto something. Checkdowns are not going to get it done. Looks good on the stat sheet though.

I agree.

Clay and I are not always on the same page. This time/issue we are.

Barret's post (#436) is on the money. Cassel has minimal to no field vision. Imagine the receiver on top of Clay's photo being Bowe. It doesn't make a difference if Cassel is too bereft of peripheral vision to see him. Cassel's mind tends to lock on the receiver he wanted in the 1st place. If said receiver is covered he's screwed, and by extension, so are we.

Cassel posts under userid Messier. :D

Baldwin was covered on about only that play. Swear to god. Im not a coach or a qb and Baldwin got almost no looks in my opinion. At least, the very least, 5 plays the ball should have been thrown his way. Im not even trolling, the outcome would have been dramaticly improved.

I thought Romeo looked sad. He's been coaching a while and he's been in a lot of games. I think he was wondering if it was all worth it. The long hours. The time away from his family. His whole life was spent on a child's game. He wasn't changing his community through advanced medicine skills or using his leadership to change policies. He is getting old and I think he is starting to wonder for purpose in his life. I think that's why the team play soft. It could also be because of the TWA Dome. That doesn't spark the rugged individualism personality traits you need to have to succeed in football. I don't think any of these things are permanent. Sometimes all it takes is a good night sleep to get out of one of those moods.

Clay is pissed because when we were pinned deep in our own territory and down 14-0, Cassel didn't come out throwing 40 yard bombs from our 10 yard line.