I agree that they're not to blame. But it's been mentioned that people in the Chiefs organization were aware of Belcher and Perkins' issues and have intervened.

With that being the case, there is the possibility of a civil suit. I'm not saying it's justified or wouldn't be thrown out of court immediately but that it is possible.

Relationship problems do not equal a train wreck. By all accounts, he was a model citizen at work. 2 people are dead, lets cut the BB hyperbole.

I can't argue with that. In today's world, I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't already been contacted by multiple ambulance chasers looking for deep RED & GOLD pockets.

A model citizen who drank EVERY NIGHT?

It's clear that he was living a double life. From SI stories and others, his closest friends had no idea he owned nine guns, let alone was into shooting.

It appears that he had a serious facade happening. That's not uncommon for public figures.

There are millions of men and women out there that have substance abuse issues along with relationship problems. I don't think the percentage of them committing murder-suicides is high enough to draw any sort of correlation between the two.

I understand that gochiefs likes to convince himself of something and then just pound it into the ground with his confirmation bias. I don't know why Dane is throwing around these extremely strong claims like he has any idea, though.

Dane, weren't you implying the other day that Javon didn't have any head trauma because he only killed his girlfriend and himself and didn't go on a shooting rampage?

It appears he had a history of violence...

Have you READ every ****ing article published about this guy? Are you aware of his history of violence, arrests and campus reports?

It appears to me that you're not and you're talking out of your ass. Why don't you use Google, read up, and come back to the thread.

Good thing we kept one of them on the roster and paid him millions to be mediocre...it was really worth it.

Not according to Pants and many other ill-informed members.

It was just a one time thing. A misunderstanding.

You know, typical murder.

And I liked Jovan Belcher. I was a fan.

I'm ****ing ashamed of that fact now.

The dude was hood rat scum.

He ****ing sucked and was a huge liability.

I posted as such in 2010 and people argued with me, especially DJ's Left Nut. Even my pal Milkman defended him.

**** him.

I also was a fan.

I'm not sure how you'd describe him but right now it'd be murderer and.....

"At work." And you're going off the email of one Belcher friend who called her the "catalyst"? I have NOT read one quote from a player or coach who had anything less than positive to say about his commitment and performance at work.

You can heckle the Chiefs all you want, but there's nothing yet that indicts them in any way. As far as I can tell, they've done a masterful job of handling a terrible tragedy that happens 3X a day in the U.S. I'm willing to change my opinion once someone provides viable proof otherwise. Until then, o master of the GIFs, I bid you a fond good evening.

I've read about 3 police reports during his time in college:

1. Punched a window because he was mad.
2. A girl and he were yelling at each other and police came because of a noise complaint.
3. He requested to be let into a building.

When was he arrested? He was obviously not a felon because he legally owned firearms.

What am I missing?