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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11602666)

There's NO downgrade to either spot.

Could it get worse than Zach Fulton? No, it can't. That's impossible. Because Zach Fulton is still around to be Zach Fulton if all of the candidates are worse than he is. And that's not very likely to happen. Anybody with an ounce of common sense would say that barring injury, the RG position has at least around a 90% chance or greater of giving us AT THE VERY LEAST a slight upgrade.

Could it get worse than Ryan Harris? The only reason why more people didn't bitch that guy out is because just two years ago Eric Fisher had the infamous distinction of being the worst ****ing ever RT the Chiefs have ever thrown out for a season. Oh, and Mike McGlynn happened to be playing on the same line. So no, Donald Stephenson or Jeff Allen can not be worse than Ryan Harris. Are they upgrades? Very very likely.

Overwhelming odds to have at the very least slight improvement at both positions on the right side. Massive upgrade at LG. Downgrade at C.

One position is NOT going to kill this OL and make it worse. That is ****ing silly. If it's worse than last year it's because we have a nasty injury at one of the tackle spots or to Ben Grubbs.

This is where we disconnect.

Jeff Allen has been a dumpster fire, and Donald Stephenson has been an enigma, going from pretty good to ****ing awful.

Ryan Harris was mediocre, but as his worst, he wasn't as bad as Stephenson at his worst.

Zach Fulton is, as I've stated before, a crash post, but he was better in his rookie season than Allen has ever been.

And as I've also stated numerous times, I don't believe for a ****ing minute that Eric Kush was kept on the bench because they only view him as a center.

If he couldn't get on the field ahead of McGlynn, then he is almost certainly going to be a ****ing disaster.

When you get shut down by Fisher, it is time to kill your career.

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 11602505)

I guess that makes V Dbag better than Watt- because he only plays against All Pros and is triple-teamed every single play according to Knowmore.

I wonder if Vonn ever got a drivers license?

Von moves around too. Played extensively against Eric Fisher in game 2, when Fisher was at RT his rookie season.

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11602558)

You only play 6 divisional games a season. Seems like a favorable statistic for us.

I'd like to see the stats on that for the past two season with hurries included. People love to look at sacks but hurries are an important factor as well.

That, and at the rate Fivehead gets rid of the ball, the lack of sacks they're are to be expected.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11602680)

I still have serious doubts about this oline. Hopefully with Fisher supposedly healthy and strengthening his upper body that he takes the next step. I'm sure having a solid vet at LG in Grubbs should help. Kush at center has had what? One start? I'm certainly not sold on RG and RT.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11602056)

If you don't spend it, it carries over into the following year.

So if the Chiefs don't spend $8 million of this year's cap and next year's 'base' cap is $150 million, the Chiefs would actually have a cap of $158 million.

Well, they do have to spend to the salary floor. Don't engender what that is or how much it is this year, but if they have any leftover after reaching the floor, they get that much extra the next year.

It's a way to make sure the NFL player pool as a whole get all of the money coming to them. So teams can no longer do what KC did under Pioli and be 30-40mil under cap.

Man..I hope the Broncos like Von as much as this Denver troll... I want him draining their cap on a $100+ million contract and producing 14 sacks. I wonder how many sacks Houston would have playing 8 games in that thin air?

After this season...Broncos go to the AFCW cellar anyway. Elways bid to buy a Superbowl with a rented QB failed....warms my heart.

I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I went to this site to look at Justin's year by year pay. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...ustin-houston/

Why is his base salary so low in Year 1?

[code]Year Age Base Salary Signing Bonus Workout Bonus Cap Hit Dead Cap
2015 Contract details by year 26 $1,000,000 $4,100,000 - $5,100,000 -
2016 Contract details by year 27 $15,000,000 $4,100,000 - $19,100,000 -
2017 Contract details by year 28 $16,500,000 $4,100,000 - $20,600,000 -
2018 Contract details by year 29 $15,000,000 $4,100,000 - $19,100,000 -
2019 Contract details by year 30 $15,500,000 $4,100,000 - $19,600,000 -
2020 Contract details by year 31 $17,500,000 - - $17,500,000 [code]

If you assume that he pays his agent 5 percent and then loses another 45 percent to taxes, he'll only take home about $2.5 million in 2015, or about $200,000 per month. But it'll get better in 2016 when his take-home pay is closer to $800,000 per month.

I bet $800,000 per month will buy you a really attractive girlfriend.

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 11602758)

He's getting 12 million of that 20 million dollar signing bonus in the next 14 days.

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 11602769)

He's getting 12 million of that 20 million dollar signing bonus in the next 14 days.

Oh, yeah. I forgot that the signing bonus happens up front. I don't have to worry about him eating Ramen noodles now.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...fl-draft-class

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J.J. Watt, Richard Sherman headline epic 2011 NFL Draft class

By Adam Schein
NFL Media columnist
Published: July 16, 2015 at 12:30 p.m. Updated: July 16, 2015 at 01:51 p.m

At first glance, the assignment from my crack editorial staff at NFL.com seemed harmless.

On the heels of Justin Houston rightfully getting PAID, the powers that be asked me to provide a Schein Nine ranking the top players from the 2011 draft class.

OK, pretty straightforward, right? Then I took a glance back at that group ...

Um, do you remember this class?? Talk about an influx of talent! Man.

Patrick Peterson wasn't 100 percent healthy last year. When he is, the Arizona Cardinals cornerback is a star, a true cornerstone. Peterson is one of my favorite players in the NFL, but the No. 5 overall pick from 2011 isn't on my list below.

I voted running back DeMarco Murray and left tackle Tyron Smith first-team All-Pro this past season. Neither one made the cut here. Crazy.

Peterson, Smith and Murray were my toughest snubs -- their omissions kept me up last night.

Von Miller is a star. Ryan Kerrigan is an integral piece in D.C. Randall Cobb is a budding stud. None of those three made it, either.

Cam Jordan is the centerpiece of the Saints' defense. Mike Pouncey just became the highest-paid center in the NFL. Yet I had to leave both of them off, too.

Heck, I didn't even remotely consider Aldon Smith or Torrey Smith.

This is the single most competitive list I've put together in the history of The Schein Nine.

Here are my top nine players from the epic 2011 draft class, with their respective draft slots listed for quick memory jogging:

1) J.J. Watt, DE, Houston Texans
Round 1, No. 11 overall pick

The man is carving out an iconic career. Since 2012, Watt has 51.5 sacks. Nobody else is even close to that total. And in that three-year span, he's also swatted a whopping 33 passes, forced 12 fumbles and recovered nine. Watt was the first ever unanimous Defensive Player of the Year last season, marking his second time winning the award in the past three campaigns.

Bottom line: Watt is unstoppable and unblockable. Heck -- he even scores touchdowns on offense! And to think, former Jags general manager Gene Smith took Blaine Gabbert one pick ahead of Watt. You can't make that up.

2) Richard Sherman, CB, Seattle Seahawks
Round 5, No. 154 overall

Sherman is a real-life Horatio Alger story, going from fifth-round pick to arguably the best corner (and one of the top overall defensive players) in the NFL. Since 2011, no player has more picks than Sherman's 24. (In fact, nobody else has even eclipsed 15 in that time period.) It's even more impressive when you consider how much opposing quarterbacks try to avoid Sherman altogether.

He's the emotional leader of the "Legion of Boom" and the pulse of the best defense in the NFL.

3) A.J. Green, WR, Cincinnati Bengals
Round 1, No. 4 overall

He's a bona fide star. Since entering the league in 2011, Green ranks fourth in receiving yards (4,874), ninth in receiving touchdowns (35) and ninth in total receptions (329). And not to completely disparage Andy Dalton, but let's be honest: Green has stacked up those figures with mediocre quarterback play.

Four years, four 1,000-yard campaigns, four Pro Bowl nods. Yeah, I'd say he's lived up to the billing.

4) Justin Houston, OLB, Kansas City Chiefs
Round 3, No. 70 overall

Kansas City locked up its stud sack artist Wednesday, fittingly making him one of the highest-paid players in the sport by handing out a new contract that includes $52.5 million in guarantees. Since coming into the league as a third-round pick (fantastic selection by former K.C. GM and brilliant talent evaluator Scott Pioli), Houston has made the Pro Bowl three times. Just a fantastic edge defender who gets after the quarterback and stuffs the run.

Lost in the shuffle of Watt's transcendent effort last season: a brilliant year from Houston. Although it went criminally undercovered, with an NFL-high 22 sacks, Houston fell a half-sack shy of Michael Strahan's single-season sack record.

5) Julio Jones, WR, Atlanta Falcons
Round 1, No. 6 overall

Jones is a bad man. He made my Schein Nine list of the most indispensable offensive players last month, and for good reason: When Julio's healthy, Atlanta is a competitor; when he's injured, the Falcons have no chance.

Since 2011, Jones ranks third in receiving yards per game -- behind only Calvin Johnson and Odell Beckham Jr. (the latter of whom obviously only has one season under his belt). Of course, injuries have robbed Jones of 15 games in his four-year career. Still, since entering the league, he ranks 12th in receiving yards (4,330) and 17th in touchdown grabs (26). This guy is an absolute physical freak -- as opponents like the Packers, whom Jones burned for 259 yards in Week 14 of last season, know well.

6) Robert Quinn, DE, St. Louis Rams
Round 1, No. 14 overall

The Rams defensive lineman is a flat-out beast. Last season, he deflected six passes, forced five fumbles and registered 10.5 sacks. This after racking up an NFC-high 19 sacks in 2013. Quinn has 45 sacks in four NFL seasons, and he only started one game as a rookie. Since 2012, Quinn has 40 sacks -- third-best in the NFL, behind only his superstar classmates, Watt and Houston.

Simply put: This guy wrecks games.

7) Cam Newton, QB, Carolina Panthers
Round 1, No. 1 overall

The Panthers just gave Newton gobs of money based upon his maturation as a player and leader. And he cracks this list while playing the most important position in football. Newton has steadily improved as a throwing quarterback, while his legs remain lethal. With 33 rushing touchdowns since 2011, Cam not only tops the board among quarterbacks, but he ranks fourth among all players -- trailing only Marshawn Lynch (48), Arian Foster (34) and Adrian Peterson (34).

I just wish, for Cam's ultimate development, that the Panthers would do a better job surrounding him with more talent. Carolina's finally starting to give Newton some receivers -- having added Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess over the past two drafts -- but how about an offensive line? (Michael Oher is the left tackle?!?!) I also have questions about the coaching staff.

8) Marcell Dareus, NT, Buffalo Bills
Round 1, No. 3 overall

This cat is a true stud. Dareus sacked the quarterback 10 times last year, anchoring the middle for the Bills. And, as colleague Bucky Brooks just noted, Dareus is also a spectacular run stuffer.

He's the best player on the best defensive line in the NFL. (No, I haven't forgotten about Mario Williams.)

9) Muhammad Wilkerson, DE, New York Jets
Round 1, No. 30 overall

Often times, the easiest way to back up someone's standing on a list like this is to supply a bushel of eye-catching statistics. Obviously, I took that approach with just about everyone above. Wilkerson's stats are strong, for sure, but you have to watch the games to understand his true impact on the Jets.

Wilkerson stops the run, rushes the passer, takes on double-teams and just makes everyone around him better -- all while serving as a team leader. There's no overstating how important Mo is to the Jets.

Guy lists the top 9 players from the 2011 draft. Justin Houston: #4. Von Miller: N/A.

LMAO LMAO

And holy balls, this draft class was STACKED. Getting the #1 overall pick in the 2013 draft after this one and the Luck/RGIII sweepstakes was such a classic Chiefs move.

4)*Justin Houston, OLB, Kansas City Chiefs
Round 3, No. 70 overall

Kansas City locked up its stud sack artist Wednesday, fittingly making him one of the highest-paid players in the sport by handing out a new contract that includes $52.5 million in guarantees. Since coming into the league as a third-round pick (fantastic selection by former K.C. GM and brilliant talent evaluator Scott Pioli),Houston has made the Pro Bowl three times. Just a fantastic edge defender who gets after the quarterback and stuffs the run.

Lost in the shuffle of Watt's transcendent effort last season: a brilliant year from Houston. Although it went criminally undercovered, with an NFL-high 22 sacks, Houston fell a half-sack shy of Michael Strahan's single-season sack record.

Entire list is invalidated.

ROFL brilliant evaluator? Why because he got lucky and Houston made a mistake and paid for it by sliding to us in round 3? ****ing idiot.

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 11602836)

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 11602842)

ROFL brilliant evaluator? Why because he got lucky and Houston made a mistake and paid for it by sliding to us in round 3? ****ing idiot.

The guy's a national sports writer. They just see the Houston, Poe and Berry picks and assumes Pioli just had an eagle eye for talent. They don't see the horrible depth, commitment to shitty QBs, or that he tried to trade Jamaal Charles.